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Post by donnie on Aug 27, 2010 18:48:00 GMT -5
Saw this video on youtube, think it is very cool, thought I'd share it with you!
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Aug 27, 2010 19:02:32 GMT -5
Greeks claim it's theirs
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Post by donnie on Aug 27, 2010 19:20:10 GMT -5
Greeks claim it's theirs Yeah, Osman Taka is a real Greek name ;D This guy was a Cam from Filati, a member of the Prizren league who was arrested in 1886, sentenced to death by Ottoman authorities. He was very defiant and decided to dance this dance before being hanged. Those around were so impressed that he was pardoned. A while later, the Turks killed him in Konispol. The Greeks call the dance ÓáìáíôÜêá, or 'Samantaka', an obvious corruption of Osman Taka.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 27, 2010 20:03:10 GMT -5
watch the first 30 seconds of this solo
goosebumps for me
Old school here
and then the ancients
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Aug 28, 2010 2:13:11 GMT -5
Just for rexy
Vallja e Prespes
My favorite after minute 2
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 29, 2010 5:48:43 GMT -5
who said that Osman Taka is considered Greek... a Greek called Osman is oxymoron. But whoever had some pride and resisted to the Turks is viewed positively...
Albanian dances are very slow. Moraitika and Roumeliotika rythms are much better(3/4)...: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iEuX2heUCgb
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Post by donnie on Aug 29, 2010 9:20:27 GMT -5
It doesnt say "roumeliotika" or "moraitika" ... it says "tsamiko", so you can be certain of the origins of that dance
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 29, 2010 9:27:18 GMT -5
It doesnt say "roumeliotika" or "moraitika" ... it says "tsamiko", so you can be certain of the origins of that dance this rythm and dance is heared and danced in Morias, Central Greece, and Thessaly, and in south Pindos. Not even in Epiros traditionaly. Tsams probably dance similar dances with the Epirotes, slow ones, and probably they have much more musical relation with a Janniotis or Artinos than a Kosovar or a Skodran and a Tironse...
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Post by donnie on Aug 29, 2010 9:35:48 GMT -5
But the title clearly said "tsamiko", did it not? That clearly indicates its origins ... whatever faster oriental rhythm was added, its origins are still there, as the name indicates. You're welcome ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 29, 2010 9:45:40 GMT -5
all over Greece they dance the dance "kalamatiano"(a variaty of "syrtos). This doesn't mean that it originated exclusively from Kalamata and spread as far as Black sea and Corfu... the same could occure in the case of "tsamiko", since the word "tsamiko" could also mean in vernacular greek the warrior related thing. And btw Chams don't even dance that dance...they dance like Epirotes.
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Post by donnie on Aug 29, 2010 10:04:08 GMT -5
all over Greece they dance the dance "kalamatiano"(a variaty of "syrtos). This doesn't mean that it originated exclusively from Kalamata and spread as far as Black sea and Corfu... the same could occure in the case of "tsamiko", since the word "tsamiko" could also mean in vernacular greek the warrior related thing. And btw Chams don't even dance that dance...they dance like Epirotes. This is different, here the source or original is "tsamiko", even the word comes from our name for the region of Thesprotia, indicating its origins; it's not called "thesprotika"! It also follows a clear pattern of migration; Arvanites came to a large extent from Thesprotia/Cameria, and down to Peloponessus. It seems fairly obvious THEY brought the dance with them, just like they brought the fustanella. And how do you know Cams dont dance it? Even if they supposedly dont, it still doesnt mean they didnt at some point in history. Just like Kosova; the highland lute was very common there, but has been more and more forgotten, to the point where in some districts I dont think it's even played anymore. Like in my Drenica, it was far more common before, being gradually replaced by ciftelia, which is foreign originally. ;D ;D Which would mean you associated everything warlike with our fara. Thnx for the unintended compliment Patrinos.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 29, 2010 10:16:19 GMT -5
The term Tsam comes from the name of a river in Northern Greece... am I mistaken? The name tsamiko could have come from the name of the river and been called that by people living in that area. It certainly does not mean that it came from Albanians. Do Albanians dance tsamiko? Do they dance any dance similar to Greeks in other areas of Albania? In my opinion Epirus is the only area that has similarity to anything Greek. Why not, after all since ancient times Epirus was Greek. The music, dance and singing style in most other areas of Albania to me resemble a pack of howling and mangy dogs. Meanwhile this tsamiko style and similar styles that Patrinos mentioned are common all over Greece.
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 29, 2010 10:23:01 GMT -5
Donnie,
Patterns of migration? WTF... to you thats what it looks like. To us just looks like people copying us with a different language. Quite puzzling and backwards but what could be more backwards than white muslims with names like Mehmeti and Islami. By the way what patterns of migration are you guys talking about? I thought you guys have been hiding in caves and preserving Albanianism for thousands of years?
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 29, 2010 10:46:26 GMT -5
all over Greece they dance the dance "kalamatiano"(a variaty of "syrtos). This doesn't mean that it originated exclusively from Kalamata and spread as far as Black sea and Corfu... the same could occure in the case of "tsamiko", since the word "tsamiko" could also mean in vernacular greek the warrior related thing. And btw Chams don't even dance that dance...they dance like Epirotes. This is different, here the source or original is "tsamiko", even the word comes from our name for the region of Thesprotia, indicating its origins; it's not called "thesprotika"! It also follows a clear pattern of migration; Arvanites came to a large extent from Thesprotia/Cameria, and down to Peloponessus. It seems fairly obvious THEY brought the dance with them, just like they brought the fustanella. And how do you know Cams dont dance it? Even if they supposedly dont, it still doesnt mean they didnt at some point in history. Just like Kosova; the highland lute was very common there, but has been more and more forgotten, to the point where in some districts I dont think it's even played anymore. Like in my Drenica, it was far more common before, being gradually replaced by ciftelia, which is foreign originally. ;D ;D Which would mean you associated everything warlike with our fara. Thnx for the unintended compliment Patrinos. we didn't call today Thesprotia like this. We called it Tsamouria, a name first appeared after the ottoman occupation, and probably derived from the turkish camur=mud. It simply lately ended to describe the muslim albanians of the area as Chams, being primarely a geographical label. and in vernacular Greek the dirty, goat-fucker/stealer, hungry, barbarian etc is described collectively with the word "liapis"-lab... do you accept that compliment...?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Aug 29, 2010 11:52:02 GMT -5
The term Tsam comes from the name of a river in Northern Greece... am I mistaken? The name tsamiko could have come from the name of the river and been called that by people living in that area. It certainly does not mean that it came from Albanians. Do Albanians dance tsamiko? Do they dance any dance similar to Greeks in other areas of Albania? In my opinion Epirus is the only area that has similarity to anything Greek. Why not, after all since ancient times Epirus was Greek. The music, dance and singing style in most other areas of Albania to me resemble a pack of howling and mangy dogs. Meanwhile this tsamiko style and similar styles that Patrinos mentioned are common all over Greece. Really? this dance is because of arvanites/albanians and spread culture in south greece...that time more half of greeks lived in asia minor, why those dances were not present among them in that time?
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 29, 2010 17:44:39 GMT -5
The term Tsam comes from the name of a river in Northern Greece... am I mistaken? The name tsamiko could have come from the name of the river and been called that by people living in that area. It certainly does not mean that it came from Albanians. Do Albanians dance tsamiko? Do they dance any dance similar to Greeks in other areas of Albania? In my opinion Epirus is the only area that has similarity to anything Greek. Why not, after all since ancient times Epirus was Greek. The music, dance and singing style in most other areas of Albania to me resemble a pack of howling and mangy dogs. Meanwhile this tsamiko style and similar styles that Patrinos mentioned are common all over Greece. Really? this dance is because of arvanites/albanians and spread culture in south greece...that time more half of greeks lived in asia minor, why those dances were not present among them in that time? Uhhhhhh, more than half of Greeks lived in Asia Minor? Do you have statistics or a source to back up that claim. Rephrase it to "some Greeks lived in Asia Minor." After all that is the truth. And those dances were present with Greeks from Asia Minor to some extent. The music and dancing style is more present with Asia Minor Greeks than central, northern or Kosovo Albanians. I dont get it??? Half of our Tsamiko and traditional songs are about killing Albanian muslims yet you continue to say that we steal your culture?
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Post by rex362 on Aug 29, 2010 18:49:39 GMT -5
thats ok ....dance our dances ,wear our clothes of yesteryear ,teach your kids the greats of the ancients, make monuments of the Heroes that liberated you eat foods with non greek names ....
Opa ....keep dancing that hora
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Post by mansterofsouli on Aug 29, 2010 21:18:27 GMT -5
^^^ Keep telling yourself that Rex Mehmeti.
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Post by mendor on Aug 30, 2010 12:17:31 GMT -5
Teras listen to this man is talking in greek
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