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Post by leandros nikon on Oct 11, 2010 14:19:44 GMT -5
ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_aesop_farmer_snake.htmThe Farmer and the Snake Aesop's Fables Translated by George Fyler Townsend One winter a Farmer found a Snake stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The Snake was quickly revived by the warmth, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound. "Oh," cried the Farmer with his last breath, "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel." The greatest kindness will not bind the ungrateful.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 11, 2010 14:41:44 GMT -5
Great Story ....
reminds me of the famine winter in Northern Greece when woman young and old would come to our villages in Prepsa begging or trading in their earnings for food .....we just gave what we could including clothes and did not take anything for it ...like the Mother Therisas our grandmothers are and were
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mind you my grandmother lost her two young brothers and everything in her village to greeks ,(near Germanos ) at the age of 14 she grabbed a few kids and ran to where her oldest sisters was married in Prespa and eventually married (my Grandfather)
a few years before she passed away ...the police would call in the middle of the night that she was at the macedonian-greek border(4-5 km) we would go pick her up ...this would happen a few times a week before she passed away
we would ask her:
"Neno ,what were you doing "
she would say:
"going back home make breakfast for my young brothers "
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Post by zoti on Oct 11, 2010 15:02:18 GMT -5
More ancient wisdom: "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes."
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 15:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 15:39:03 GMT -5
Yes ...read nice story THE NEW FRONTIERS OF FREEDOM FROM THE ALPS TO THE ÆGEAN BY E. ALEXANDER POWELL NEW YORK CHARLES SCRIBNER'S SONS 1920 COPYRIGHT, 1920, BY CHARLES SCRIBNER'S SONS
In that portion of Southern Albania known as North Epirus we motored for an entire day through a region dotted with what had been, apparently, fairly prosperous towns and villages but which are now heaps of fire-blackened ruins. T his wholesale devastation, I was informed to my astonishment, was the work of the Greeks, who, at about the time the Germans were horrifying the civilized world by their conduct in Belgium, were doing precisely the same thing, it is said, but on a far more extensive scale, in Albania. As a result of these atrocities, perpetrated by a so-called Christian and professedly civilized nation, a large number of Albanian towns and villages were destroyed by fire or dynamite. Though I have been unable to obtain any reliable figures, the consensus of opinion among the Albanians, the French and Italian officials, and the American missionaries and relief workers with whom I talked is that between 10,000 and 12,000 men, women, and children were shot, bayoneted, or burned to death, at least double that number died from exposure and starvation, and an enormous number—I have heard the figure placed as high as 200,000—were rendered homeless. The stories which I heard of the treatment to which the Albanian women were subjected are so revolting as to be unprintable. We spent a night at Ljaskoviki (also spelled Gliascovichi, Leskovik and Liascovik), three-quarters of which had been destroyed. Out of a population which, I was told, originally numbered about 8,000, only 1,200 remain. *( My Grandmother as a young girl was witness to this in her village/same time the same thing was happening in Florina/kastoria region) page 143 Though the great majority of the victims were Mohammedans, the outrages were not directly due to religious causes but were inspired mainly by greed for territory. When, upon the erection of Albania into an independent kingdom in 1913, the Greeks were ordered by the Powers to withdraw from North Epirus, on which they had been steadily encroaching and which they had come to look upon as inalienably their own, they are reported to have begun a systematic series of outrages upon the civil population of the region for which a fitting parallel can be found only in the Turkish massacres in Armenia or the horrors of Bolshevik rule in Russia. In their determination to secure Southern Albania for themselves, the Greeks apparently adopted the policy followed with such success in Armenia by the Turks, who asserted cynically that "one cannot make a state without inhabitants." I do not think that the Greeks attempt to deny these atrocities—the evidence is far too conclusive for that—but even as great a Greek as M. Venizelos justifies them on the ground that they were provoked by the Albanians. That such things could happen without arousing horror and condemnation throughout the civilized world is due to the fact that in the summer of 1914 the attention of the world was focused on events in France and Belgium
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 15:51:52 GMT -5
Though Albania is an Italian protectorate, the Albanians, in spite of all that Italy is doing toward the development of the country, do not want Italian protection. This is scarcely to be wondered at, however, in view of the attitude of another untutored people, the Egyptians, who, though they owe their amazing prosperity solely to British rule, would oust the British at the first opportunity which offered. Though the Italians are distrusted because the Albanians question their administrative ability and because they fear that they will attempt to nationalize them, the French are regarded with a hatred which I have seldom seen equaled. This is due, I imagine, to the belief that the French are allied with their hereditary enemies, the Greeks and the Serbs, and to France's iron-handed rule, which was exemplified when General Sarrail, commanding the army of the Orient, ordered the execution of the President of the short-lived Albanian Republic which was established at Koritza. As a matter of fact, the Albanians, though quite unfitted for independence, are violently opposed to being placed under the protection of any nation, unless it be the United States or England, in both of which they place implicit trust. I was astonished to learn that the few Americans who have penetrated Albania since the war—missionaries, Red Cross workers, and one or two investigators for the Peace Conference—have encouraged the natives in the belief that the United States would probably accept a mandate for Albania. Whether they did this in order to make themselves popular and thereby facilitate their missions, or because of an abysmal ignorance of American public sentiment, I do not know, but the fact remains that they have raised hopes inPg 146 the breasts of thousands of Albanians which can never be realized. Everything considered, I think that the Albanians might do worse than to entrust their political future to the guidance of the Italians, who, in addition to having brought law, order, justice, and the beginnings of prosperity to a country which never had so much as a bowing acquaintance with any one of them before, seem to have the best interests of the people genuinely at heart.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 15:59:29 GMT -5
many many Ghosts still haunt you
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 16:13:32 GMT -5
while your slavi brothers were busy at same time up north .....
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 16:25:04 GMT -5
the greeks are worse than jews ...? what you think?
one imagines that the jews would of learned from the Nazis bad in Germany but see what they have done to the Palestinians
one imagines that the greeks would of learned from the turks bad in Smyrna but see what they have done to the Albanians
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 12, 2010 16:42:52 GMT -5
He said 'the stories he heard" which right way I discount as bullchit and false.... just like your non existent history which is loosely based on .... 'it is believed" this is the same crap.... travelers tell tails that locals told them.... My mother use to tell me to eat all my food cause the Turks will come and take me away.....
Get serious and grow up ... try to read between the lines... there is no documented mass killings of Albanians from Greeks.... it's prefabricated propaganda and you're spreading it.
The very few Albanians that were killed during the beginning of the century is because they were regarded as Turks.... point final...
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Post by emily33 on Oct 12, 2010 16:49:22 GMT -5
Epirotes kill Albanians,...epirote insurgents. I thought the 'epirotes' were albanian?
I've posted stuff like this where the situation was reversed. It goes around and around....only toskali acknowledges it.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 17:00:43 GMT -5
things he heard ....yes with his ears
why would a multitude of whole Albanian villages be burning / burnt ?.....oh sorry it was for the STATE FARM Insurance policies the albanians had
oh those things happened ....there is plenty of info on this from plenty of sources ...many observers of all sorts there ..lines were being drawn on maps
besides that we have had many people in our lives relive the horrors and the stories ....We have my grandmother on tape recorder telling of what she saw when she was 14... including the other dozen or so children that most grew up in our village
and sorry I don't have CNN coverge on early 1900's ...you very lucky there
besides you wouldnt believe it still .... you saw CNN and saw what your cousins did in Yugoslavia just recently and most greeks quietly/softly deny it
Eva ....I imagine he meant the Greek element of epiros ...we all know there was greeks in Ipiros ....dont be silly
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Post by donnie on Oct 12, 2010 17:09:55 GMT -5
"the very few" .. lol .. OK then professor, if the sole reasons for killing us was bcs we were regarded as 'Turks' then why kill individuals like Papa Kristo Negovani? Naum Veqilharxhi? Father Stath Melani? To name a few ...
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Post by toskaliku on Oct 12, 2010 17:27:11 GMT -5
These will never be forgotten. In southern Albania every single Albanian remembers what happened then, and every single Albanian will wait for the day when it will "come around" to those who did the killing then. Zoti can vouch for me. Cams remember, Labs remember. The second there is any turmoil in Europe, any instability of any sort, Albanians will take up the chance to get revenge... and on that day Himariots will be rushing for Corfu like Smyrniotes for the Aegean.
"Come spring we will sow our land with the blood and bones of our enemies, for we, Albanians, have suffered too much to forget." - Isa Boletini.
These attacks happened far before the Albanian attacks during WWII, and you can deduce from the very time frame. These were the reasons for it. The burned villages and raped women by "heroes" who outgunned farmers and peasants. Hence why Guma deserves to rot in the grave he is in now... Serbs saw revenge en masse in 99, its only fair for Greeks in southern Albania to feel it next. And then the Macedonians
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Post by rex362 on Oct 12, 2010 17:35:40 GMT -5
on that day Himariots will be rushing for Corfu like Smyrniotes for the Aegean.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 12, 2010 18:11:50 GMT -5
I see the more than 800 thou Albanians in Greece exercising their revenge..... by saying 'nai afentiko oti thelis amesos'..looks to me they came back for more...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 12, 2010 18:17:05 GMT -5
haha ...albos play the victims... LOL vromotourkalvanoi...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 12, 2010 18:19:47 GMT -5
"Come spring we will sow our land with the blood and bones of our enemies, for we, Albanians, have suffered too much to forget." - Isa Boletini. "The Albanians who have been shedding their blood for the empire for the last five hundred years, do not want its perdition, even though they realise it is determined to destroy itself and be cut up among its enemies. The Albanians will continue to the very end to spill their blood for the empire and will maintain their allegiance as they have in the past. When they finally obtain a good government, one which is sufficiently stabilized, they will then be able to assist Turkey more and better. "(Sami Frasheri. Η'ka qλnλ, η'λshtλ e η'do tλ bλhetλ? Mendime pλr shpλtimt tλ mλmλdheut nga reziket qλ e kanλ rethuarλ, Bucharest 1899. Translated from the Albanian by Robert Elsie)
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Post by toskaliku on Oct 12, 2010 18:33:51 GMT -5
And? What does the above quote have to do with the raping and burning campaigns of the Greek andartes?
And the Greek andartes acts in southern Albania had nothing to do with the Ottoman Empire. They were acts of ethnic cleansing, meant to wipe out the dominant Albanian character of the region so that then it could be claimed. It wasnt an act of "revenge" against "collaborators" it was a way to clean the territory of Muslims and forcefully assimilate the Christians by killing priests like Harallambi. It was an ethnic motivated attack... which failed and has left an imprint of anger and rage in southern Albania, which cannot be realized atm but will explode one day.
That Greeks dont feel any remorse for that is due to the supremacy complex and belief that they have the right to wipe out a people from a region because of some vague historical legitimacy, the same mentality that caused Srebrenica. And the belief that somehow, if someone is a Muslim, they dont have a right to live in the Balkans.
The Turks taught you people well, Albanians need a share in that as well.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 12, 2010 19:36:36 GMT -5
Like I said.... there's this psyche in Greek people,not all of them...but a good % of them that Albanians are Turks... They won't do that to Bulgarians or Romanians.... and they have good reason to do so especially with the Bulgars....but they keep grinding their teeth at Albanians.... So don't try to look for other reasons there are none..you are free to believe what you want... but what I wrote above pretty much sums it up.....
I got nothing against Albanians... I think they are really the closest to us in customs and understanding us... I am just grateful of America for without her, Albania and Albanians would have went the way of the saber tooth tiger...
PS.... there are very few times I have mentioned the word "Albanian" to a Greek crowd without someone saying 'Turks'... I always argue with these people...
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