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Post by donnie on Nov 5, 2010 22:03:23 GMT -5
3 November 2010 Last updated at 10:56 GMT The Greek-Turkish border has become a migration pressure point for the EU Continue reading the main story Related stories EU border team arrives in Greece EU's 'asylum lottery' hurts migrants Greece berated over asylum care Sweden has suspended deportations of asylum seekers to Greece - the latest of several European countries to do so. The decision by Sweden's Migration Board came as Greece faced a new influx of illegal migrants entering via its land border with Turkey. Last week, Austria stopped sending asylum seekers back to Greece and earlier Norway and Finland did so too. Most illegal migrants trying to enter the EU arrive first in Greece, whose treatment of them has been criticised. Under the EU's Dublin II Regulation, asylum seekers generally have to be processed by the first EU member state they come to. That means many have been sent back to Greece. But in Greece far fewer asylum seekers are granted refugee status than in northern European countries. Sweden's decision affects about 100 people who would otherwise have been returned to Greece, said Swedish Migration Board director Dan Eliasson. "The situation in Greece is deteriorating constantly for asylum seekers," the AFP news agency quoted him as saying. 'Inhuman' conditions Last month a UN special rapporteur, Manfred Nowak, said Greek holding centres for migrants were in a "critical state" and conditions for many of them were "inhuman". Greece says its border officials and police are struggling to cope with a surge in border crossings by illegal migrants. On Tuesday a special EU border team began deploying near the border with Turkey to help the Greek authorities. Mr Nowak said Greece's backlog of unprocessed asylum claims totalled 52,000 in August. In the second quarter of this year 90% of the migrants detected trying to enter the EU illegally were on the Greek land border, the EU border agency Frontex says. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11682905
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 5, 2010 22:18:59 GMT -5
Finally, a tiny glitter of good news.
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Post by donnie on Nov 5, 2010 22:20:46 GMT -5
Treat fellow humans poorly and you will be rewarded is the lesson to be learned, right Kanaris?
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 6, 2010 0:37:15 GMT -5
What are we supposed to do with over 100,000starving illegals? Let liberal northern Europe take them..the took you.. didn't they...Don't get all high and moral on me now.. just because the country just happens to be Greece and you can't stomach it... We all know you all too dearly and your thoughts.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 6, 2010 2:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by atdhetari on Nov 6, 2010 6:01:04 GMT -5
greece became wealthy, was able to uplift itself from poverty because those liberal northerners started throwing cash at you, you can't bite the hand that fed you, progress comes at a price, immigration is a bi product of progress, suck it up and stop bitching about it, there are millions of greek immigrants all over the world, how hypocritical is that? you have got to be the most delusional people on earth, all of you that talk sh.it about immigrants here live outside greece, what does that make you?
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Post by donnie on Nov 6, 2010 7:52:06 GMT -5
What are we supposed to do with over 100,000starving illegals? Well, take your responsibility of being an EU member and share the load, and especially not treating them inhumanely. I don't have much high thoughts on Greece and its (in)capability of handling those immigrants though ,, however even its temporary treatment of them has deteriorated to the extent that several EU members refuse to send those immigrants back to Greece for that reason. Just goes to show you continue to be an anomaly in that club in nearly all respects, especially in how high regard you uphold human rights. Just as Canada took in you .. perhaps you as an immigrant yourself should be more sympathetic to their ordeal?
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Post by Kefalus on Nov 7, 2010 6:10:21 GMT -5
I see that albanians dont know the difference between illegal immigrants and immigrants. I dont think that Kanaris family landed in Canada on plastic boats. And about EU, northern europeans and s**t... NO MONEY IS FOR FREE. The only problem of Greece with theese immingrants is that Greece is on the edge of EU and has Turkey as in neighbour. I still dont know how can an illegal immingrant cross that vast country without be seen, it's clear that the turks close theyr eyes and make some buck with theese poor immigrants. So dont bulls**t us if it was Albania on the edge of EU it was the same thing. PS I'm from an immigrat family myself. My family come to Romania in 1900, so we have more than 100 years here. We made our business paid our taxes, took the citizenship. We didnt came here on plastic boats or cross the Danube in the middle of the night. MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ILLEGAL AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!! Why sould Greece take all of Somalia just because they shoot each other and starve to dead???
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Post by Kefalus on Nov 7, 2010 6:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by bato2 on Nov 7, 2010 7:56:32 GMT -5
Let's talk real guys.....I think the problem is for all Europe as continent. I am not against immigration but you cannot grant residence to all Africa and third world to Europe.The have over-abused the liberal system(They come only to claim asylum and free money)..The fabric of European society is changing and i am not being racist here, but what can you wait from a bushman from Mosambique or a Pirate from Somalia to do in Paris, London or Athens?...Doesn't fit anywhere and is no logic at all. And we end up with ghettos in the big European countries,bcs to say the truth is no chance for them to integrate! I have experienced with my own eyes what this fatal experiment has done to Great Britain...Go a visit in Birmingham, you will think you are in Banghalore or Calcuta Those waves of illiterate immigrants are a imminent threat to Europe.. Somali Pirates claim asylum in UK after getting captured from French Navy....How ironic www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3736239.ecEuropean jails look like a luxury resort to arrested Somali Pirates. After their jail term they can not be sent back against their will, instead pirates want to request asylum and then bring their families over. Exactly the kind of immigrants a country needs! Human Rights, when overdone as a inflexible dogma, encourage crime.Somali pirates rewarded with asylum in Netherlandhuman-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/human-rights/somali-pirates-earneuropean-asylumGreece in other hand is a easy access for them and i can understand the position bcs i lived there for few years. (Best solution for Greece is to rent a island to EU and make it big refuge camp where can keep them in )
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2010 15:58:58 GMT -5
I see that albanians dont know the difference between illegal immigrants and immigrants. Plastic boat or not, both parts left their countries of origins because of some dire need, because smth important was lacking in their countries of origin, be it freedom, economic stability or anything else. Bcs of this, all immigrants should be sympathetic of fellow immigrants, otherwise they're hypocrits, no more no less. They wish to deny others the opportunity they had for themselves ,, if some had the fortune to migrate at a time and point to a country which welcomed immigration, does not change the facts listed above. We're not the issue here, you are. You are members of the EU and with it comes a set of responsibilities and a reputation to live up to. Greece is failing misreably in this department.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2010 16:14:59 GMT -5
Bato,
You're being no better than Kanaris here as an immigrant yourself. I know it's easy to be so judgemental of the Somali people, but there's nothing noble in kicking those on the ground. Believe me, I have no illusions about them as a community, Ive seen their bad side .. but I've also seen enough good ppl among them for me to understand that a generalization of an entire nation is unethical.
You speak of their piracy. Ask yourself how it started ... I advise you to see the SVT documentary from "Dokument utifrån", the edition concerning Somali pirates. Basicaly, following the disintegration of their state and the absence of a coastguard, many foreign vessels (in particular from the West) started to illegaly dump toxic waste along Somalia's coast and illegal fishing in its waters, making sustenance for Somali people along the coast difficult. Just in the period of 2003-2004, Somalia lost some $100 million in revenue due to the illegal fishing of foreign vessels, who unethically exploit the absence of an effective sovereign Somali state to collect its sea life, consequently impoverishing this people further.
This is how it started ,, Somali villagers along the coast, furious with these foreign vessels, started to protect these waters. Some added 2+2 and concluded they could make money on hijacking foreign vessels and taking their crew hostage for ransom. It is a phenomenon the world has brought on itself.
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 7, 2010 17:36:05 GMT -5
So what.... Europe has to take these people in? You sympathize with them because most probably you were in the same situation.I understand that.FYI,I never wanted to come to Canada...neither did my mother..she cried for a whole year. Her siblings that stayed and weathered the miserable 60's are now very rich.
Greece has too many problems right now,I believe if the economy was better they would have allocated a budget for this human catastrophy .
In the last ten years Greece has absorbed more immigrants and illegals than any other EU country.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 7, 2010 17:45:44 GMT -5
^ thats bcs of its geographic location
throughout history its had people arriving
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 7, 2010 18:05:23 GMT -5
I know where you're driving at ... take this as an example ..now the world is looking so we have to abide... but in other times we didn't accept foreigners unless they spoke to us in our language.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 7, 2010 18:44:17 GMT -5
I told ya about not joining that EU .....but hold it ...didnt your government get some good money for dealing with all that stuff ? or maybe they pocketed it never told ya or maybe they spent it over there in Himara
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 7, 2010 18:52:30 GMT -5
They got billions.... they spend it all..new metro>.. Olympics cost close to 18 billion... new airport ,new roads,hospitals... mega projects in so many islands..just imagine you have to reproduce on each island they same services over and over again for instance...New Hospital in Chios,new hospital in Lesbos..it's endless.The country is very expensive to maintain...because of the islands..
I remember when Spain wanted to join the EU Greece vetoed them unless they got 5 billion in aid... they got and Spain entered.Greece is the spoiled child of the EU...Things are starting to change..today they had mid term elections and it looks like Papandreio has been given the go ahead ...
Oh yeah... the corruption probably ate a good 30%.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 7, 2010 19:00:20 GMT -5
30% is a given .....
that Drachma and Donkeys on the road was great though
Balkans should of stayed/ stuck like in the 1970's
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 7, 2010 19:11:04 GMT -5
It was good those days...tourists were everywhere spending money....but it was expensive for the locals... I remember to buy a car it cost almost double... then the tarifs fell with the Euro...
I was king with my Canadian dollars and Americans were Gods... now it's all gone to chit.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 7, 2010 19:16:14 GMT -5
now just keep sending your cousins coffee money
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