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Post by terroreign on Nov 13, 2010 15:19:17 GMT -5
Has anyone ever heard of them? They are a tribe in north-western Macedonia, and are apparantely known as "Mijaci" because they speak in a dialect that uses "Mi" for "we" instead of the Bulgarian "Nie". My Grandmother's a Kuci (eastern Montenegrin tribe), and in folk lore the founders of the tribe were members of the Serbian royal family of Mrnjavcevic who came from Macedonia following the Battle of Kosovo. Besides wearing the same traditional caps as other western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks, Hercegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends (the main city of the Mijaci is called Lazaropole/Lazarpolje, after Knez Lazar). Additionally, many of the Macedonian Chetniks of pre-WW1 came from this tribe.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 13, 2010 17:54:55 GMT -5
^ I've read from somewhere, can't remember exactly, that the Mijaks were a tribe from Albania who got pushed eastwards into Vardar by the Arnauts. Apparently, the Mijaks were the bridge between the Montenegrins and the Vardarians.
Where are the BuLgari (Ioan and Asen) they could reference them back to Khan Kuber.
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Post by logjiktek on Nov 13, 2010 18:12:43 GMT -5
I believe they refer to themselves as "Shkreti." They're traditional pants and wedding customs are very similar to the Albanians in Western Macedonia, and the older generation most likely speak Albanian.
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Post by ulf on Nov 13, 2010 18:27:31 GMT -5
Mijaci and Brsjaci both have similar customs and outfit. Their national heroes are the same as Serbian national heroes, songs are very similar as well etc. Up until late 50's of last century in these areas Serbs were major element, but this changed due to Shiptar immigration. Their territory was in whole current day Macedonia-Albania-Serbia border and stretched by whole Macedonia-Albania border until town of Podgradec. However these days their population is no larger then 100.000 in Macedonia(in total).
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Post by ulf on Nov 13, 2010 18:35:03 GMT -5
My greatgrandfather was from these areas, so I know all of them self identified as Serbs. Every one of them had Serbian surnames ending with -ić. They were hardcore Cetnici, all up until communism time where they even threatened to take away their citizenship if they haven't changed their surnames to -ski suffix. That's why many of them left those areas and moved to Serbia mostly and the Albanians came afterwards
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 13, 2010 18:40:21 GMT -5
lol. The summary of the retards intellect. hahaha
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Post by aayy on Nov 13, 2010 18:43:19 GMT -5
Just like in Russian.
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Post by logjiktek on Nov 13, 2010 18:55:51 GMT -5
Their traditional dance "Teškoto", their wedding traditions and other ceremonies are similar to the Albanians in Western Macedonia. This what Robert Elsie says: "In its violent actions aimed at the 'ethnic unification' of the state, the Belgrade Government also does its utmost to eliminate differences in clothing that give an indication of nationality in this part of the kingdom. In some places, such as Reka, where Orthodox Albanians live together with Slavs of the same religion and with Moslem Albanians, the differences are limited to various types of headgear. The Albanians wear the kësula whereas the Serbs wear the cajkac. To do away with this shocking distinction, Mr Sokolovic, the subprefect, issued an order to all police stations in his region last May forbidding Albanian peasants from wearing the kësula. They are now forced to don the Serb cap. The police were only waiting for a pretext to tear up the Albanian caps."Could explain why they wear the Albanian Geg pants and the Serbian hat.
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Post by ulf on Nov 13, 2010 19:12:02 GMT -5
Bullshit hahaha. Bulgarian demographer Kanchev as well as Hungarian Felix Kanitz both noted there was insignificant Shiptar population in region, way before Serbia took control over Macedonia.
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Post by logjiktek on Nov 13, 2010 19:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on Nov 13, 2010 19:42:18 GMT -5
"The Gorna(Upper) Reka region, from village Brodec to the village Volkovija is mostly abandoned today but in the past inhabit with Albanian-speaking Macedonians, called Shkreti" Is this is what you wanted to pin-point me? Gorna - Gornja(Serbian) Brod(ec) - Brod(Serbian) Volk(ovija) - Vuk(ovija) (Serbian) Even "shkreti" sounds like "skrenuti" which means "divert", "turn", "switch", "sidetrack" So yeah, no way they were Albanians
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 13, 2010 19:46:01 GMT -5
Shkreti is a word meaning "pitied".
Place names dont signify population ethnicity since they are also affected by dominant local administration and control.
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Post by ulf on Nov 13, 2010 19:51:16 GMT -5
Albanians at that time were barely composing majority of modern day Albanian part of Albania-Macedonia border
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 13, 2010 19:55:33 GMT -5
Actually Albanian villages were much much fuller back then. It was repeated depopulations and forced emigrations that cut Albanian numbers down. In Monastir and its surrounding environs Albanians were a hefty portion of the population. And in the regions around Deber much much higher. Especially as many Muslim ones were deemed as Turks or were intergrated into the Muslim population (by being given fake Yugoslav last names).
And in the Albanian side... well, the only Slavic communities that exist today are those that were founded by fleeing refugees from southern Serbia and Herzegovina fleeing blood feuds. The Slavic population in Albania at the turn of the century was minimal at best. At best a dozen small villages that spoke Bulgaro-Macedonian and 2,000 Serbo-Monteys in Vraka.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 13, 2010 20:02:53 GMT -5
^ It says there that the Albanian speakers in the region once called themselves Shkreti, not the Slavs Serb Macedonian Chetnik Vojvoda Doksim Mihailovic was a Mijak
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 13, 2010 20:22:51 GMT -5
Besides wearing the same traditional caps as other western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks, Hercegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends (the main city of the Mijaci is called Lazaropole/Lazarpolje, after Knez Lazar). no one caught on to that given that it is written by TR.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Nov 13, 2010 20:32:22 GMT -5
Besides wearing the same traditional caps as other western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks, Hercegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends (the main city of the Mijaci is called Lazaropole/Lazarpolje, after Knez Lazar). no one caught on to that given that it is written by TR. Ja primetih, morao sam 3 puta da procitam iz neverice. TR posrbica. ;D
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Post by terroreign on Nov 13, 2010 22:46:38 GMT -5
Jebiga, vratio sam korijenima ;D
Niste ni primetili da Arkan je u mom potpisu
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 14, 2010 0:55:35 GMT -5
lol. The summary of the retards intellect. hahaha come on lil prick, you dont remember which food you had for lunch (provided you can afford this, i mean lol!!!)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 14, 2010 0:58:39 GMT -5
Besides wearing the same traditional caps as other western Serbs (Montenegrins, Krajisniks, Hercegovinians), they also celebrate Slava and their folklore centers on Serbian legends (the main city of the Mijaci is called Lazaropole/Lazarpolje, after Knez Lazar). no one caught on to that given that it is written by TR. TR has been a decent guy for a quite a while.
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