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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 3:54:42 GMT -5
No comments, at least they are so dumb they even didn't translated the cryes.
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Post by benettonsenetme on Jan 27, 2008 4:18:31 GMT -5
I wonder what Unguro would say about these youtube comments!
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 4:55:15 GMT -5
Actually Hungarians never fought against the Turks but the Romanians from Transylvania and Banat fought to defnt the Hungarian Kingdom.
Miserable primitive Asiatic nation.
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Post by redrake on Jan 27, 2008 5:28:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't call trolls as representative for the whole hungarian nation. There are bad apples everywhere even here in Romania.
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Post by diurpaneus on Jan 27, 2008 5:59:06 GMT -5
Stealing other peoples tradition and culture is their speciality.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 8:04:59 GMT -5
The Romanian suit of dances Calusul or Calusarii was included in 2001 on the UNESCO list of the "Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity" alongside a very few selected customs from worldwide. It is a very old dance who was initially a healing or exorcisation ritual. As we see it mentioned in the XVIIth century by Cantemir as beeing practiced in Moldavia, the dancers used swords instead of sticks as today. Also, the dance it is mentioned in Codex Caioni by Johannes Caioni as practiced by the Romanians in Transylvania. There was also an episode of X-files named Calusari. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Calusari_(The_X-Files_episode)After Hundreds of years of stealing Romanian Transylvanian folklore, after decades of stealing Moldavian folklore, now it's time for the Hungarians to steal the Oltenian folklore. Way to go, animals ! A short search on YouTube and a Romanian will finish with a headacke seeing what some animals are doing. And this is unfortunately not the only case but there are hundreds maybe thousands other examples.
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Post by diurpaneus on Jan 27, 2008 8:31:38 GMT -5
Another fine example of stolen culture: --- Dances from the "Moti Land" (Tara Motilor) --- "szekely" dance from "Karpatok" - hungarians strike again Maybe the next thing those people will steal is the bucium
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 9:14:46 GMT -5
Actually Diur those dances are played by the nations of the former Austrian empire and are usually called after the German word Werbung (or something like that) meaning recruitment as they were danced where the lads had to go in the army. Of course Romanians have the most artistic variants but their origin is not very clear.
See one Romanian Barbunc and Invartita danced by Hungarians.
Unfortunately there are very few quality clips on YouTube with Romanian folklore it looks like nobody cares for anything in this country especially for our traditions.
The same Hungarian guy has a pure Romanian hora played by peasants from Moldavia dressed in typical Moldavian folk clothes and present it as the "oldest Hungarian dance".
I really hope that miserable nation get what it deserves.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 11:11:33 GMT -5
Hey, AofG, why do you say that Hungarians never fought the Turks? You know that's not true. What about Battle of Mohács?
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Post by srbobran on Jan 27, 2008 11:25:28 GMT -5
The Hungarians have had massive programs of assimilation during the middle ages and onwards. Look at the 1848 revolution. Their national hero (Sandor Petrofi) is infact a Serb/Slovak by origin but was made to believe that he was a Magyar.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 11:25:59 GMT -5
Yeah they fought at Mohacs if you can call that pathetic display a fight. Tomori said they should not wait for the Transylvanians so they will not share their glory with the Romanians.
The other fights i know about were in fact carried out mainly by the Romanians living in the Kingdom of Hungary. John Huniady knighted an impresive number of Romanians from Transylvania for fighting the Turks showing that the bulk of his army were indeed Romanians. Never heared of a Hungarian ennobled for fighting the Turks.
They are no good, not fit for fighting except when they catch undefended peasants and such and only then they are brave.
You cannot compare them with the Romanians who were in all the battles i know massivelly outnumbered and many times crushed the enemy.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 11:50:08 GMT -5
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 12:13:37 GMT -5
It proves i'm right. I doubt those are the forces involved, the Hungarians invaded Moldavia in 1467 with more forces. Those are simply Hungarian excuses. Anyway they could have been 1 milion, without Romanians and Croats they were simply a bunch of gays welcoming the Turks to fvch them, a thing that the Turks surely did. And a cocksvcker wrote something about Romanians that are not present in the western books as fighting the Turks, well, one of the greatest and succesfull fighters against the Turks from XIVth century was a certain Romanian named Mircea, the greastest fighter agains the Turks from the first half of the XVth century was a Romanian known as John Huniady, the greatest fighter against the Turks from the second half of the XVth century was a Romanian known as Stephen the Great. And the most succesfully fighter agains the Turks from XVIth century was Michael the Brave. Not to mention Dan II, Ion Voda cel Cumplit, Radu de la Afumati, Vlad Tepes and the others. The Hungarians are braging now with the succeses of Romanians like John Hunyadi but the people that lived in that time knew who was who. Like for example Philippe de Commines en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_de_ComminesWho wrote in his Memoirs www.r3.org/bookcase/de_commynes/decom_1.htmlIn our times other valiant and wise princes have also ruled, the king of Hungary, Matthias [Corvius] and [Mahomet] sultan of the Turks. King Matthias of Hungary was the son of a very courteous knight called the White Knight of Wallachia, a simple gentleman but one endowed with great sense and virtue, who had long governed the kingdom of Hungary and won many victories against the Turks, who were neighbours of that realm because of the lordships they had usurped in Greece, Slavonia and Bosnia.
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During his reign they did not harm his kingdom in any way but he increased its size, at their expense, in Bohemia, which he held for the most part, and also in his native Wallachia and in Slavonia. On the side of Germany, he took most of Austria from Emperor Frederick, who is still alive, and he held it until his death which occurred at Vienna, the capital of Austria, in 1491.Even John Huniady sobriquet "The White Knight" was due to an error in a French edition of a book about his battles where instead of "blac" (the French for Vlach) was written Blanc and so instead of the Wallachian Knight he got himself a nickname - the White Knight.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 12:22:07 GMT -5
Western books are not so concerned with the resistance to the Ottoman Empire. It's aan entire region that is discriminated against, not just a group of people.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 27, 2008 13:41:56 GMT -5
LOL. How primitive are those Magyars? I mean, look how modern their country is. Everyone loves to visit Budapest for its beauty.... are people rushing to Romania?
When compared which country -- Romania or Hungary -- would come out the most primitive?
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jan 27, 2008 14:11:09 GMT -5
Please spare me, you are an Albanian, enough said. PS Budapest was untill the second half of the XIXth century a German inhabited city (well there were two cities then), after that was one of the capitals of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and as such gatherd many riches, some from those opresseed nations since Hungarians were a small minority. It wasn't really a Hungarian city untill very late more like after the WW2 when the Germans and Jews that were left were driven out. Some historic buildings were built by Romanians like Gojdu for example that had massive proprieties in the centre of Budapest that as 1999 valued over 1 billion $ now probably much more. Yeh Gojdu's familly had to flee Moscople to excape the primitives unfortunally they run into another bandits who later stoled the wealth he left to the Romanian people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanoil_GojduIf some nations are to get what they deserve they are to be put in cages and displayed at the zoo.
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 15:00:28 GMT -5
Toskali is the average buta American who judges things at prima facie. I don't view the Hungarians as primitive. Romanians and Hungarians, in general, get along pretty well.
Romania has a healthy tourism, with vast parts of the country still waiting to be discovered.
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Post by diurpaneus on Jan 27, 2008 16:43:04 GMT -5
Actually Diur those dances are played by the nations of the former Austrian empire and are usually called after the German word Werbung (or something like that) meaning recruitment as they were danced where the lads had to go in the army. Very interesting. I didn`t know that. My greatgrandfather was recruited in the Hapsburg Army when World War I started. He spoke German fluently (and of course Romanian) and a little bit of Hungarian, they made him corporal (Obergefreiter). He faught in Northern Italy and Galitia. In 1916 when Romania declared war on Austria-Hungary he deserted and fled to Moldavia where he volunteered as a soldier. He returned home 2 years later in Romanian Uniform. This is his picture in Austrian uniform. LOL. How primitive are those Magyars? I mean, look how modern their country is. Everyone loves to visit Budapest for its beauty.... are people rushing to Romania? When compared which country -- Romania or Hungary -- would come out the most primitive? You don`t know chit about Romania you pseudointelectual.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 27, 2008 19:29:11 GMT -5
Weaklings and cowards get their just desert. And most of the landmarks of Budapest seem to have Hungarian names, the original castle was built by a Hungarian, and seems to have been continuously under Hungarian control... By all accounts, this seems to have been a Hungarian city with a minority of Germans. Dont care to... just stating the obvious...
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 27, 2008 20:57:43 GMT -5
Then you're in the wrong forum.
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