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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2010 10:32:03 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimir"About 7 km away from Elbasan there is an old monastery and orthodox church where notably Saint Jovan Vladimir was buried until 1995 when his remains were transferred to the Orthodox Cathedral in Tirana, being brought back to the monastery only for his feast days." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElbasanI wonder if Aadmin can expand on Jovan Vladimir?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 24, 2010 11:14:48 GMT -5
It is an amazing story as anyone can read the link Novi posted. It is also interesting interchanging stated names and titles His hagiographies in Church Slavonic and Greek were printed in Venice in 1690; the Greek one was written in the Elbasan monastery. They have many panegyrical and glorifying features, and in the Church Slavonic hagiography, Jovan Vladimir is called the Tsar of Illyria and Dalmatia. Their main purpose was to reinforce Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire to preserve their faith, and to resist the Ottoman occupation.[17]
The oldest hagiography of Saint Jovan Vladimir is the chapter XXXVI of Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja, written in Latin in the 12th century. That chapter is regarded as the most literary part of the Chronicle,[19] but also as more reliable than the rest of it which is rejected by historians.[4] Some of them consider that the chapter is based on a more extensive text about Vladimir, written in Krajina short time after his death.[19] The author of the Chronicle himself refers to this text as “the book of his deeds, where his accomplishments are related in turn.”[4] Although Vladimir was only a prince, in the Chronicle he is called a king, as the people of Duklja reminisced of him;[3] he is termed the same in folk poems.[13] His title King of Serbia resulted from the fact that the name Serbia was also applied to Duklja, as can be seen in works of 11th-century Byzantine historians John Skylitzes and George Cedrenus.[20]
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2010 19:03:23 GMT -5
^ l've got nothing really more to add about this great man, but:
"His title King of Serbia resulted from the fact that the name Serbia was also applied to Duklja, as can be seen in works of 11th-century Byzantine historians John Skylitzes and George Cedrenus."
The Byzantine chronicler Skylitzes had observed in the region of Vardar (Fyrom) in 1018, Slavs celebrated the Serbian custom of Slava!.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 25, 2010 4:15:13 GMT -5
We are all Montenegrins!!!
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 25, 2010 7:48:50 GMT -5
Wow. Until now I did not know of his Serbian title. That is amazing. Honestly, Montenegro/Old Hercegovina is to me the historical heart of the Serbian people much moreso than Kosovo is.
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Post by ljubotan on Jul 26, 2010 11:12:41 GMT -5
I would agree, that the root of 'Serbdom' is definitely Montenegro & Hercegovina. No other region has offered Serbdom more Saints, Poets, Warriors, Generals, Kings, Presidents & some good criminals (Arkan).
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Post by terroreign on Jul 26, 2010 20:16:16 GMT -5
^Which is why I believe Montenegro should only join a greater Serbian state with the condition that Cetinje is it's capital, and seat of the Church.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 27, 2010 3:21:32 GMT -5
^Which is why I believe Montenegro should only join a greater Serbian state with the condition that Cetinje is it's capital, and seat of the Church. Don't be a Montenegrin traitor!!! Montenegro is to remain independent!!
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Post by terroreign on Jul 28, 2010 13:12:17 GMT -5
We have been independent for a half of a millennia in order to prove that we deserve the ruling class statuse. Now if Beograd doesn't respect or agree with this fact, may us never unite.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 28, 2010 23:45:38 GMT -5
We have been independent for a half of a millennia in order to prove that we deserve the ruling class statuse. Now if Beograd doesn't respect or agree with this fact, may us never unite. Krivosanin!! Nemoj da te zalijepim!! The only way Serbia and Montenegro to unite is to unite with Montenegro!!! A Greater Montenegrin State! Not a Greater Serbian State! Do not forget that Croats, Slovenes and Bosniaks also descent from the Montenegrins. All of Former Yugoslavia is rightfully Montenegrin and to unite, the capital city must and will be Cetinje or atleast Podgorica!
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Post by terroreign on Jul 29, 2010 0:00:55 GMT -5
hahaha Crna Gora do Trstaaaa E viva
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 29, 2010 0:02:28 GMT -5
hahaha Crna Gora do Trstaaaa E viva Thats better! The next thing to do now is to get you a moderator status in the Montenegrin forum!
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Post by terroreign on Jul 29, 2010 0:22:26 GMT -5
Bez Dileme! Za Evropsku Crnu Goru! : P
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 29, 2010 0:33:47 GMT -5
Bez Dileme! Za Evropsku Crnu Goru! : P TAKO JE!!!
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