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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 4:50:56 GMT -5
It has always been a bit of intrigue for me, the etymology of the adverbs in the Serbian language.
Words such as:
Makar = "at least" Bar/Barem = "at least" Zar/Zarem = "don't" or "wouldn't" or "really" Bas = "Really" "Very" "Just" Tek = "Just" Ipak = "Still" Cak = "Even" Kamoli = "Not to mention" Osim/Sem = Except Sada = "Now"
None of these words appear in any of the other Slavic languages, not even as vaguely similar. Except for "Sega" (Now) in Bulgarian I believe.
Can anyone provide some insight on the etymology of these adverbs? How is it possible that this subset of vocabulary is completely alien to the rest of the Slavic language family?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 5:12:01 GMT -5
^Type in "Tekbir" in google translate for Turkish ;D
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Post by ioan on Jan 12, 2011 5:12:55 GMT -5
In Bulgarian it means although. In Bulgarian Barem is used in the same meaning. Not used in Bulgarian, I think. Its Bash in Bulgarian (I think it is Turkish) and its the same. Not used in that meaning in Bulgarian, I think. Pak - same meaning in Bulgarian. Same meaning in Bulgarian. Sega in Bulgarian. Most are found in Bulgarian, and they are almost similar. Most of them sound Turkish.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 5:20:28 GMT -5
^Ioan, according to the dictionary none of them are turkish
Bash in Turkish means "head" or "chief"
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 5:58:22 GMT -5
Who knows maybe they're Bulgar Turk origin hahahaha *die*
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 6:23:53 GMT -5
Since those words exist among all Stokavian speakers (Croats/Bosnians), the next natural question is:
Are those words found in eastern Bulgaria as well? Or are they used primarily in the Serb-Yugoslav-influenced west part of the country?
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ioan on Jan 12, 2011 6:26:22 GMT -5
They are found on all Bulgarian lands, including obviously the ex Bulgarian one.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 6:50:39 GMT -5
25 Millions of Yugoslavs have a much much higher weight than 1M of ex-Serbs + 1M of ex-ukranians + 5M of Thracians + 1M of turks. get your facts str8 buddy.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 12, 2011 7:13:37 GMT -5
25 Millions of Yugoslavs have a much much higher weight than 1M of ex-Serbs + 1M of ex-ukranians + 5M of Thracians + 1M of turks. get your facts str8 buddy. 5 million Thracians... do they have a minority party?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 7:16:12 GMT -5
^They're not constitutionally recognized....Rhezus is their party representative
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Post by kroraina on Jan 12, 2011 7:31:07 GMT -5
It has always been a bit of intrigue for me, the etymology of the adverbs in the Serbian language. Words such as: Makar = "at least" Romanian macar, Albanian makar, makarse, Greek makari, Italian magari, megara. From Middle Greek, most probably. variant of bozhem (from bo + zhe). Slavic Check the Bulgarian etymological dictionary or Etimologijski rjecnik hrvatskoga ili srpskoga jezika of P. Skok. Most of your adverbs are not unique to Serbian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 7:51:12 GMT -5
^^^ Makari, means "I wish". Makarios means "Happy/calm/peaceful", nothing to do with "at least". A famous orthodox saying goes "Makarioi oi ptwxoi tw pneumati" which means, "happy are the ones with low intelligence", which could find many applications in these forums. ;D
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 8:05:39 GMT -5
It has always been a bit of intrigue for me, the etymology of the adverbs in the Serbian language. Words such as: Makar = "at least" Romanian macar, Albanian makar, makarse, Greek makari, Italian magari, megara. From Middle Greek, most probably. variant of bozhem (from bo + zhe). Slavic Cool, I just looked it up, indeed Makar is found in Romanian as well. I just found out "Barem" is also in Romanian....Bozhem = Barem does not sound plausible, sorry. For "Just" I found "Tocmai" in Romanian...similar to Serbian "Tek"...the dictionary says that "Tek" comes from turkish "Dek", however this word in Turkish does not carry the same, or similar meaning....it means "up until" or "as far as", there exist seperate Serbian words for that. The etymology dictionary is very vague about the origins and rather inaccurate...not to mention written by new-age Croats
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 8:33:43 GMT -5
The etymology dictionary is very vague about the origins and rather inaccurate...not to mention written by new-age Croats It stroke me that Kroraina mentioned two rather "peculiar" sources, a bulgarian and a croatian. WTF
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Post by ivo on Jan 12, 2011 10:04:11 GMT -5
Yes they are.
I've used this one, and I've heard it in use.. though it would be two separate words rather than a single one. "i pak" rather than "ipak".
So "i pak" in Bulgarian would translate as "and still".
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Post by terroreign on Jan 13, 2011 3:30:25 GMT -5
The old Bulgars were known for being a bit Iranicized/Sarmaticized (Asparuh, etc), and the fact Old Serbs had Sarmatian origins might speak to the fact that we both alone use these words.
So possibly these words have an Iranic origin? Just a thought, don't flame.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 13, 2011 4:24:47 GMT -5
In Bulgarian 'tek' means odd (the opposite of even) or in a sexual act when you make it once You have a point here. Quite many words who were considered to be of Turkish origin appear to be Persian.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 19, 2011 16:32:23 GMT -5
In Bulgarian 'tek' means odd (the opposite of even) or in a sexual act when you make it once Heh funny, lotta minute-men in Bulgaria ey Many people fail to acknowledge that the Ottomans borrowed a lot of words from the Balkan languages as well.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 20, 2011 6:52:29 GMT -5
I said once, if you noticed. I do hope it is not your personal experience that somehow brought you to the connection that once equals a minute.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 20, 2011 6:56:58 GMT -5
^Maybe I misunderstood you, but you said 'Tek' in Blg means when you commit the act specifically one time, I was half-joking also, if you noticed.
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