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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 16:42:01 GMT -5
this documentary is made from leftists,no big deal.these people hate greece more than you do. I don't hate Greece ...I hate Greks that assimilate others ;D oh doesnt "Bank of Greece" have their fingers in 1821 documentary ? Hmmm ......that makes me think of 2nd generations of Koriziu and Qiriako's
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Post by ajax on Feb 3, 2011 17:38:11 GMT -5
Dude, you soooo like the 'sauce'.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 3, 2011 17:46:50 GMT -5
Rex has two Keratades as friends that feed him bullcrap for free smokes and coffee...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 3, 2011 17:50:05 GMT -5
The Greeks did not stop nor a time to rebel and revolt against the Ottomans from the Fall of Constantinople to the Greek Revolution 1821 etc...THE GREEK WAR OF INDEPENDENCE
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 17:56:47 GMT -5
Rex has two Keratades as friends that feed him bullcrap for free smokes and coffee... well one is from Athens actually
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 3, 2011 19:02:22 GMT -5
Thats even worst.... Rex, a true Arvanitis is a dinosuar... there is no such thing... the people of 200 years ago got absorbed... into the Greek way of life... intermarried and so on.... There were Albanians that escaped Albania during the 50's and 60's that made it to Greece... and even they got somewhat interwind into the mainstream Greek life...but they of course remember who they are and where they come from.. although some might confuse the concept of what it is to be an Arvnati.
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 3, 2011 19:13:01 GMT -5
Rex you are alway spewing poison. I do not know why you have such a hate on for us Greeks.
Is it that you have no idea what runs through you veins (considering where you are from) and you must destroy all those that do.
If the Arvanites are not Greek? Why did they only fight for Greece? Why did they not continue to save their brethren and a free Albania? Why did they fight so ferociously against the Albo/Ital facsists in WW2?
You still haven't answered my last question to you. Are there any ancient sources that mention the Illyrian tribes of the Ghegs or Tosks? Better yet a source that mentions that the Illyrians actually call themselves Shqiptars. Find me that and you win.
I won't hold my breath for an adult answer from you. You will avoid answering it and go off on some tangent and ignore it. Its what you always do.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 19:25:52 GMT -5
200 years is how many generations ago? (2 grandfathers ago) thats not to long if you think about it ...
anyways why would they be calling themselves Arvanitis ??
or are they liars like some greeks that believe they are offspring from the Spartans or Alexander the great (from 800 Grandfathers ago)
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 19:27:57 GMT -5
Rex you are alway spewing poison. I do not know why you have such a hate on for us Greeks. Is it that you have no idea what runs through you veins (considering where you are from) and you must destroy all those that do. If the Arvanites are not Greek? Why did they only fight for Greece? Why did they not continue to save their brethren and a free Albania? Why did they fight so ferociously against the Albo/Ital facsists in WW2? You still haven't answered my last question to you. Are there any ancient sources that mention the Illyrian tribes of the Ghegs or Tosks? Better yet a source that mentions that the Illyrians actually call themselves Shqiptars. Find me that and you win. I won't hold my breath for an adult answer from you. You will avoid answering it and go off on some tangent and ignore it. Its what you always do. shhhhhhhhhhhhh...... I thought I heard something ....nah nothing rats in the attic maybe
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 19:44:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings ...but that's what usually happens when I chit-chat with offspring from people that originally come from 1923 onto Balkan mainland and preach and take the shape, names and forms of ancient history
let alone 200 years ago of the so called Greek revolution that it was called after the Arvaniti Revolt
I know what runs in my veins...sometimes Greek people don't know bcs they admittedly and historically are assimilated from other differ people ....
ironically.... only Albanians don't assimilate others into being Albania ....its a blood privilege ...and the Arvanitis know and feel this
they were fighting for Freedom and autonomy from Ottoman for themselves they knew nothing of anything "GREECE" others rode on their coattails .....most heroes and other kleftes were excommunicated by the Church and faced persecution and rejection by the local population.
well you know there was religious differences ...and they had their problems and of why all of a sudden more people came and more and more dressed like the Arvanitis
there were chams fighting on greek side as well but you never here of them ....and thats the same as me fighting for USA if Canadians attack us ...or like Albanians fighting in the Yugoslav Army
well being sandwiched by serbs and greeks its a surprise we are still here ....here where we have always been with a bit less territory
all major non Greek & Serb historians consider us the predecessors of the Illyrians
PLTTTTHHHHHH
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 3, 2011 19:52:40 GMT -5
Your so fked, you just proved me right. Can't answer, so ignore it.
A couple of other things:
1. We called them TurkoAlvanous because they were Muslim Albanians. Why didn't we call the Arvanites HellenoAlvanous, if they were Orthodox Albanians?
2. Why is the Turkish word for Albanian", Arnaut which means "the ones that never went back?
If you can find some time between playing internet warrior, drinking coffee and smoking Malboros try answering my questions.
You won't as usual. When faced with the truth or what you cant distort with your bullcrap you cower.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 19:57:11 GMT -5
look above .....freakster
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 20:06:12 GMT -5
again look above freakster
yea go ahead ....I am here all fricken day /Kanaris can vouch for me
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when we hear that turkoalvanos ....we know whats next and the coded intention it has .....then we can say that you are TurkOrthodox?
you were calling them heroes ...they most at the end were jailed,killed or banished ....
anyways for fools ARBANIT=ARVANIT that ole simple v is b and b is v trickeroooo
strange bcs I never heard of what the exact translation for arnaut is
all I know is that it is used in a sort of derogatory sense by turks just like the turkish word Jaur/haur/kaur for Christians
I do that while I am answering
are you a journalist named Highduke ??
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 3, 2011 20:09:13 GMT -5
200 years is how many generations ago? ( 2 grandfathers ago) thats not to long if you think about it ... anyways why would they be calling themselves Arvanitis ?? or are they liars like some greeks that believe they are offspring from the Spartans or Alexander the great ( from 800 Grandfathers ago) If I was born in Sparta... and my family has been there generations before me... and I speak and write the language to a certain extent of the ancient Spartans and defend them,then by God I shall call myself a Spartan .... What is your problem with that? Who are you to take this right away from these people? You're Albanian... with a distorted view of history... but like I said before feel free to keep the Greek forum busy..that I give you an "A". ;D
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 3, 2011 20:11:18 GMT -5
Have you taken a DNA test? If not, you cannot answer you know what runs through your veins.
From what I see in your picture you look nothing like a steretypical Greek/Slav or even Albanian.
The only reason that historians claim that you are the descendents of Illyrians is cause you live on their land. They have no idea what language they spoke or how they wrote it, so to fill in the blank that they cant answer they made you the descendents.
Show me a written article that called it an Arvanit Revolt.
What kleftes or heroes were excommunicated? Show me written proof.
They only people who rode on the kleftes coat tails were the rich who saw an opportunity to gain. They swooped in and almost destoyed all our progress.
I don't understand why there would be a religious problem between the Arvanites and the TurkoAlvanous. Your religion is Albanism and the Albanian strength is unity, is it not?
So what your saying is that Albos in the Yugoslav Army obeyed their orders and marched into kosovo for Yugoslavia or fought the Croations in the name of Yugoslavia. Very unlikely. Yes you would fight against Canada for the USA, what would you do if it was Albania vs USA?
Well being sandwiched between all these races in the Balkans I'm surprised we are still here.
You still haven't realised that the same arguments you use for the purity of an Albanian race, we Greeks can too.
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 3, 2011 20:16:21 GMT -5
Canaris, that is the best answer I have heard on this forum My hats off to you. But that won't shut him up.
Sorry Rex I was posting when you answered the first time. I try to write in express my thoughts clearly. unlike your replies which seems more like a drunken rant the more the day goes by.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 20:17:06 GMT -5
200 years is how many generations ago? ( 2 grandfathers ago) thats not to long if you think about it ... anyways why would they be calling themselves Arvanitis ?? or are they liars like some greeks that believe they are offspring from the Spartans or Alexander the great ( from 800 Grandfathers ago) If I was born in Sparta... and my family has been there generations before me... and I speak and write the language to a certain extent of the ancient Spartans and defend them,then by God I shall call myself a Spartan .... What is your problem with that? Who are you to take this right away from these people? You're Albanian... with a distorted view of history... but like I said before feel free to keep the Greek forum busy..that I give you an "A". ;D \ uh ....you speak/wright French Frenchman ? shadup
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Post by rex362 on Feb 3, 2011 20:37:39 GMT -5
I took a VD test once thats about it ,no dna test ....but you can show us your papers how long you been staring at me ? . bs ....its simple ....no historic proof of our coming into balkans simply bcs we have always been there....case shut ! ask the suoliots what they were fighting for ? there are many ...I dont have time do you understand that it was Ali Pasha that gave the right to bear arms to the klefts /armatoles/and certain Arvanitis otherwise no other Christians were allowed to bear arms by ottoman law and most of the famous Arvanitis were in the circle of Ali Pasha so to say he only dealt with Christian Albanian brothers....basically the mafia boss and his street soldiers on the street bcs of Greek assimilation process and their Xenophobia yes it is ....we have Muslim,Christians,Bektashi and others and we get along just fine ......what did you do to our Arvaniti brothers exactly ? not during that time ....but Albanians served in the JNA , it was just an example dont be a fool again dont be a fool for a small and then some percentage yes .....but there are records of over a million coming as refugees in 1923 upon the Balkans ...let alone before that ....new comers that have left their lands history and have taken up my land and history ...... I'm here in USA 1st generation ...is it right for me to teach my kids at the kitchen table history lessons that our ancestors were part of the American civil war ?
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 3, 2011 20:58:00 GMT -5
What I still dont understand is, why did they call themselves Arvanites?
Why do they call themselves Arbreshe in Italy? Yet the motherland call themselves Shqiptar.
How did it go from Illyrian to Shqiptar?
Any mention of Ghegs or Tosks in any ancient texts?
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 3, 2011 21:07:56 GMT -5
Okay get me a pastrami sammich ...like now!
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