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Post by terroreign on Feb 3, 2011 21:29:22 GMT -5
What I still dont understand is, why did they call themselves Arvanites? Why do they call themselves Arbreshe in Italy? Yet the motherland call themselves Shqiptar. How did it go from Illyrian to Shqiptar? Any mention of Ghegs or Tosks in any ancient texts? Because they're a fake people with a fake history and fake culture.
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 4, 2011 3:37:51 GMT -5
or are they liars like some greeks that believe they are offspring from the Spartans or Alexander the great ( from 800 Grandfathers ago) The only LIAR IS YOU.Modern Hellenes, from all over Hellas, for the most part are the descendants of the Ancient Hellenes either you like it or you don't like it, some few have assimilated by the Hellenes and they are let's say, 90% of ancient Hellenic descent. Albanians can keep propagate that we are Vlahs, Arvanites-"Albanians", Balkanian "Slavs", "Neo-Turks" or whatever. When the Albanians fight modern Hellenes they fighting the descendants of the Ancient Hellenes... Barbarians against Hellenes.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 4, 2011 5:47:49 GMT -5
Pyrros ,how would one go recognizing these types of people? I answered, just go to the aforementioned places. Eleusina is by far the worse place to be. What happens... are all obnoxious Greeks to be considered Arvanites? Hard to tell, however what in Cyprus/Crete or even the "Mikrasiates" communities seems to be the exception, for the arvanites it seems to be the norm. Its not like a great secret, any non-arbo Greek who have lived in "Theva, Martino, etc..." has these experiences... Things get a little better further north, where the ex-vlah domain (from Levadia up to the north) starts, but nothing spectacular.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 4, 2011 5:51:42 GMT -5
But!! There are arvanite places (e.g. Hydra) where people are *GREAT*. Its not a matter of linguistics in the end. Its a matter of strength. Strong nations/people are good. Weak tend to be bad.
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Feb 4, 2011 8:37:34 GMT -5
Hard to tell, however what in Cyprus/Crete or even the "Mikrasiates" communities seems to be the exception, for the arvanites it seems to be the norm. Things get a little better further north, where the ex-vlah domain (from Levadia up to the north) starts, but nothing spectacular. Ta idia pantelaki mou.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 4, 2011 9:08:31 GMT -5
Rwta kanenan pou exei zhsei ekei, (p.x. Thiva, kapoioi pou eixan doulepsei sthn Larco kai sta periks) kai rwta tous gia Thiva, Levadia, omoiothtes, diafores....
Filara, to na meletas ton eauto sou (mou, tou, mas, etc...) den einai ethniki prodosia. Ethniki prodosia einai h emmoni sto psema kai sthn metriothta.
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Feb 4, 2011 9:13:19 GMT -5
Filara, to na meletas ton eauto sou (mou, tou, mas, etc...) den einai ethniki prodosia. Ethniki prodosia einai h emmoni sto psema kai sthn metriothta. Giati na se theoriso prodoti? Me exeis perasei gia yperpatrioti i kati tetoio? Poso mallon gia tetoiou eidous sxolia...Apla theoro auta pou les genikotites kai genikeuseis xoris idiaiteri aksia. Mia kai aneferes to patriotiko, mou thymizoun paromoia sxolia pou akous apo Ellines gia diafores omades opos p.x. Alvanoi, Voulgaroi klp. (ta peri vlachon voreia tis leivadias einai allo thema, profanos pisteueis oti oli i perioxi apo tin Viotia mexri tin ipeiro kai ti makedonia - kai ti thraki fantazomai - eklatinistike. entaksei, ekei ta synithismena sxolia mou isxyoun)
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 10:04:20 GMT -5
What I still dont understand is, why did they call themselves Arvanites? Why do they call themselves Arbreshe in Italy? Yet the motherland call themselves Shqiptar. How did it go from Illyrian to Shqiptar? Any mention of Ghegs or Tosks in any ancient texts? again .....Arb =Arv ....b=v .....v=b
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2011 11:10:54 GMT -5
Arb(e) means tree in french... maybe they were french... your logic as always is caffeine fed... One day I am gonna take all your posts and make a book..... and name it "the parallel universe of Rex".
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 4, 2011 11:24:05 GMT -5
That doesn't answer a damn thing.
Explain the discrepencies in the way you call yourselfs.
No matter where we are in the world we still call ourselves Ellines in our tongue and Greek in our adopted tongues.
No differences around the world, we stay united.
If you Albos are all the same why so many different names for each other.
Illyrian Shqiptar Gheg (half the population) Tosk (half the population) Albanian (New Term) Arbreshe (which they call themselves not Shqipt or Albanian) Arvanites (which they call themselves not Shqipt or Albanian)
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 11:38:19 GMT -5
Arb(e) means tree in french... maybe they were french... your logic as always is caffeine fed... One day I am gonna take all your posts and make a book..... and name it "the parallel universe of Rex". yes the trees of Iperos "Pelasgian seat" Lisi i Dodonës worshiping/oracle oak tree of dodona, pagan tradition followed even to this day by albanians
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 13:52:16 GMT -5
a few quotes by others "You can see the difference in these two types of Greeks here in the US. If you ask a souvlaki maker, gyro shaver, restaurant owner, construction worker... they will fall under the category of the ones that hate Albanians and don't even want to listen to you when confronted with certain facts of their own history. If you ask a well educated investment banker, lawyer, director, anyone that is well read and informed, they will actually strive to connect with Albanians without Albs even trying." "you xenophobs are the fake greeks, nothing original, the ancient greeks are gone, the anciant greek and palasgian coulture that is left, is in us. we inherited and kept it, modern greeks are a mixture of persian, turk, egyptian and god only knows what more genes you filthy c**kroach have" ;D ;D
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 14:05:16 GMT -5
Arb(e) means tree in french... maybe they were french... your logic as always is caffeine fed... One day I am gonna take all your posts and make a book..... and name it "the parallel universe of Rex". The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? your just lucky I'm just a simple villager with little education ..but I get by here fairly good .....if i had education like most Albs here I would be King of the Balkans and greks would be my shoeshine boys and Arvanitis would check on your work ;D
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 14:17:54 GMT -5
That doesn't answer a damn thing. Explain the discrepencies in the way you call yourselfs. No matter where we are in the world we still call ourselves Ellines in our tongue and Greek in our adopted tongues. No differences around the world, we stay united. If you Albos are all the same why so many different names for each other. Illyrian Shqiptar Gheg (half the population) Tosk (half the population) Albanian (New Term) Arbreshe (which they call themselves not Shqipt or Albanian) Arvanites (which they call themselves not Shqipt or Albanian) your missing the point .... the key that you need to know is ..... ARBAN.........ARBER .........ARBRESHI .......ARVAN ....ARVANITI Gheg & Tosk is just 2 types of dialect ... btw did you know that there were also Musliman Arvantis ?? just like there was Musliman Greks
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2011 14:31:40 GMT -5
Thank God at the end of the day you're still an Albanian.No need to say more. ;D
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 4, 2011 15:52:20 GMT -5
the birth of a nation says this "documentary".Not even a re-birth.I wonder why they forget about the imperium graecorum and the greek orthodox faith.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2011 15:57:41 GMT -5
bcs it dont do fairytale's and I love the way it has its viewers all complaining and whining bcs of soft truths that they are giving ... which is basically a conditioning of whats to come in the future.....
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 4, 2011 16:03:13 GMT -5
oh,come on rexy,tell us about tha future...what do you see?
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Post by hellenicwolf on Feb 4, 2011 16:03:33 GMT -5
I don't care that there are Muslim Arvanetes, thats not the point they still call themselves Arvanite not Albanian or Shqiptar.
Arbreshe are Catholics and don't call themselves Shqiptar.
Ghegs and Tosks different dialect yes, but also different dress and customs, No?
The fact that you are a simple villager is the reason you shouldn't talk to much. If anyone is spreading dinner table history, its you.
Nice argument though, I too have talked to an Alb who had a cousin who's uncle three times removed agrees that Arvanites are Ellines.
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Post by leandros nikon on Feb 4, 2011 16:04:36 GMT -5
bcz what i see, is that the traitors-leftists- will abandon the country to save themselves from the unger of the crowd.
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