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Post by laughingriever on Feb 15, 2011 12:34:58 GMT -5
lol, Gjergj Kastrioti was under 170 cm (although with Albanian balls bigger than the turkish gjyle )
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Post by atdhetari on Feb 15, 2011 12:39:06 GMT -5
I want Irish pension now..Oh, I forgot Ireland is broke... we had a good run
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Post by zoti on Feb 15, 2011 13:05:08 GMT -5
I want Irish pension now..Oh, I forgot Ireland is broke... You're not ethnic Gaelic, I'm ethnic Elline. Gimme my money NOW!!!
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Post by ushtari on Feb 15, 2011 15:25:14 GMT -5
lol, it is commonly known that gjergj kastrioti was Albanian.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 15, 2011 18:12:56 GMT -5
Kastriotis' father's grave has 2 inscriptions on it: one in Greek, the other in Serbian
peace out shqiptar propagandists
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Post by rex362 on Feb 15, 2011 18:26:32 GMT -5
yes Krivo ,,,,,his big 60 meter tall statue in Belgrade proves that ...and the one in athens is 69 meter tall
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Post by terroreign on Feb 15, 2011 18:37:15 GMT -5
^Go to Mount Athos and visit Skanderbeg's father's grave rex, i'm sure you'd have appreciate it
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Post by Why? on Feb 15, 2011 19:34:14 GMT -5
Kastriotis' father's grave has 2 inscriptions on it: one in Greek, the other in Serbian peace out shqiptar propagandists Any reference?
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Post by ushtari on Feb 15, 2011 20:00:38 GMT -5
There is no evidence or anything that point that Skenderbeg was not Albanian. It is commonly accepted that Skenderbeg was Albanian. The only ones to contradict this is Serbs and Greeks, who claim different, but they do not have proof to support their propaganda. If they would have proof, it would not be commonly known. And on all statues, there would not be writed "Gjergj Kastrioti Skenderbeg, Albanian".
Neither would the Sultan give him the title "Arnavutlu İskender, skenderbeg the albanian" during ottoman empire. That was his title when he was General in the ottoman army. If he would be serb or if Kastriota had belonged to a Serbian noble, then his title would have been Serbia iskanderbey.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 15, 2011 20:12:16 GMT -5
"John Kastriotis donated two villages to Hilandar in 1426, and in 1430 made an arrangement (adelphaton) for lifetime use of the Tower on behalf of his four sons. One of them died on Mt Athos in 1431, and John himself, now monk Joachim, died in 1437. All the evidence testifies to close and long-lived connections between Albanian feudal lords and the Serbian imperial laura." books.google.com/books?id=9iJpAAAAMAAJ&q=john+kastriotis+donated&dq=john+kastriotis+donated&hl=en&ei=MCNbTcD5HYLCsAOluNisCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAARepos, one of Ivan Kastrioti's four sons, was buried in the parvis of King Milutin's church.books.google.com/books?ei=vyNbTdDiN5C4sAODyZSZCg&ct=result&id=CDglAQAAIAAJ&dq=repos+hilandar&q=above+the+grave+of#search_anchorRemember, Albanian =/ Shqiptar. Archbishop Anastasios is an Albanian, Vraka Serbs are Albanians, Charles of Naples was an Albanian ruler, and so on.
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Post by ushtari on Feb 15, 2011 20:32:12 GMT -5
Im sorry, but your source does nowhere state kastrioti was serb.
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Post by zoti on Feb 15, 2011 20:37:59 GMT -5
I like feta cheese.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 15, 2011 20:55:55 GMT -5
Im sorry, but your source does nowhere state kastrioti was serb. The Kastrioti descend from the Serb governor of Janina, Branilo who was assissinated in 1368. Ioannina (Greek: Yiannina), a city in and capital of Epirus, Greece. It is bordered by Kastoria in the north-east. The name Kastriota means "from Kastoria). After the assassination of Branilo in the last days of the Serbian empire, the family probably left that area:. Quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Branilo : (+ assassinato a Jannina nel 1379 circa), di origine serba, Governatore di Jannina nel 1368. Sposa N.N.
Translation: "Branilo ( + murdered in Jannina in 1379), of Serbian origin, Governor of Jannina in 1368. He marries marries unknown".According to the Italian geneology link, Branilo's son was Paolo. Paolo married Elena Thopia of Durres. Their two sons sere Alessio and Gjovani (alb: Gjon or srb: Jovan). Giovanni Kastriota then married Vojislava, who the page calls a Serb: Quote:
A3. Giovanni (+ ca. 1443), Signore di Mat (confermato 1471) e di Vumenestia 1406/1438. = Voisava Tripalda, figlia del signore serbo di Polog
Translation: A3. Giovanni ( + ca. 1443), Mister of Mat (confirmed 1471) and of Vumenestia 1406/1438. = Voisava Tripalda daughter of the Serb duke of of Polog gives birth to:Then after listing which of their children were married to whom, the page lists the children in order of birth at the bottom of the page. Here is a list of Skenderbeg (Giorgio) siblings. Note that Jela and Vlajica female names common only among Serbs:
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B3. Costantino (+ ostaggio dei turchi). B4. Giorgio, per la sua discendenza v. Parte II. B5. Maria = Stefano Cernojevic, dei Granduchi della Zeta B6. Yela = N.N. B7. Angelina = Vladino Golem Comneno Arianiti B8. Vlaica (+ post 1444) = Stefan Balsic B9. Mariza = 1444 Carlo Musachi Thopia (+ 1461).
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B3. Costantino ( + hostage of the Turks). B4. Giorgio, for its lineage v. Part TWO. B5. Maria = to Stefan Cernojevic, the Granduke of Zeta B6. Yela = N. N. B7. Angelina = to Vladino Golem Comneno Arianiti B8. Vlaica ( + post 1444) = to Stefan Balsic B9. Mariza = in 1444 to Carlo Musachi ThopiaHere we have a look at Skenderbeg's more famous brothers, BOTH OF WHOM HAVE Serbian names: Repos and Stanisa are names exclusive to Serbs and not shared by any other Balkan Slav-speakers. The names are old-Slav Pagan and not connected to Christianity: Quote: B1. Repossio, monaco al Sinai. C1. Stanisha = Despina, figlia di Musachi Comneno
Translation: B1. Repossio, becomes monk at Mt. Sinai. C1. Stanisha = to Despina, gives birth of Musachi ComnenusKEY PONTS: 1. The name Kastriota is not of Albanian origin. (see quote #1). The family left Kastoria in the late 14th century. 2. The source states that the Kastrioti descend from the Serb Duke Branilo. A common Serbian name (braniti - to defend) or Branko, Branislav, Branimir, Brana, Branilo are all comon Serbian names. Another Branilo was also a prince of Raska in 868. There also the famouse Brankovic Dynasty: external link. (see quote #1) 3. Quoted here is an Italian page on Italian nobility (Skenderbeg's descendants fled to Naples); therefore it is an objective source. (see quote #1) 4. "Gjon" or Jovan Kastriota was the son of Branilo. Skenderbeg was Branilo's grandson according to the geneology. (see quote #2) 5. "Gjon" or Jovan Kastriota, grandson of Branilo married his daughters to THREE Serb princes: to Stefan Cernojevic, the Granduke of Zeta; to Vladino Golem Comneno Arianiti; to Stefan Balsic also of Zeta. Only one daughter went to a southern Albanian lord Karl Thopia who let the Turks invade Europe. (see quote #3) 6. Two of Skenderbeg's brothers (all were the grandson's of Branilo) had specifically Serbian first names. (see: quote: #4) www.scribd.com/doc/3995174/-Later shqiptar propagandists
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 15, 2011 21:19:16 GMT -5
bordura i wrote greek & tosk and not trkocham ;D Why ? ;D thanks for the historic statement !! i am trying to mislead you just to make a point about how clever you are?northern shqiptare word looks like turkish ! and what about southern albanian word looks like !! bravo !!
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Post by ushtari on Feb 15, 2011 21:55:58 GMT -5
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Post by la3ar on Feb 15, 2011 22:20:13 GMT -5
^ PROPAGANDA, right here everyone.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 15, 2011 22:31:04 GMT -5
Georgios Kastriotis claimed descent from Achilles. The father of Pyrrhus royal Epirot family.
Secondly Kastriotis was known as the King of Epirus and not the King of Albania, .
"The Cross, the Cross!" "Liberty!" "Greece!" "Iskander and Epirus!"
Georgios Kastriotis. Greek Epirotian prince son of Ioannis Kastriotis, medienal feudal lord of Krugia, in North Epirus. Georgios Kastriotis was born on1405 in the citadel of Krugia. He became legendary for its tries to unify the population of Epirus and eliberate the region from the Ottoman invaders. He fought against the Turks for 50 years and he did not lost one single battle.
His figure was until the 19th Century, considered as National Hero of resistance and military success. With the illegal creation of the Albanian state in 1914, the unorganized and savage till then Albanian tribes tried to invent a medienal history in order to justify the existence of their illegal state. So during the communist era, the Stalinist regime of Enver Xoxha adopted the legend of Kastriotis forging the true history, and his origin.
It was a clear example of newly created statal forms which in the lack of proper history are forging the legends of other nations.
The Greek Epirotian origin of Kastriotis is easily demonstrated by simple arguments. Georgios kastriotis was christian orthodox, in contrast with the big majority of the Albanians which are muslim (90%). His name was Georgios (ancient Greek name), and his surname Kastriotis (Kastro in Greek means castle, Kastriotis is called the person from the castle or the person with the castle.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 15, 2011 23:54:03 GMT -5
At that time there was no boundaries. It was language, culture and tradition wich united people. Skenderbeg returned home and united only Albanians(not serbs or Greeks), ie all Arbreshe from north to south to west to east. Why? just because he was Albanian and shared culture, mother tongue and identity with his people, he was Arnavutlu=albanian= arbereshe. About his brother having slavic name does not say much, because all people had loanwords and loannames from their neighbors, this is very logic. Dont forget there was orthodox Albanians who where members in the orthodox Serbian church, thats from where many Albanians got their name. Because it was often the priest who decided the names for the childrens. Thats why some slavic names where present among Albanians. And what does your link proves? nothing of course. It IS commonly known that he was Albanian, really no point in arguing it. It clearly says: Branilo, John Kastriotis' grandfather, was a Serb. And John Kastriotis' wife, Vojislava, was a Serb. These are Djordje's parents, he's at least 3/4 ethnically Serb, the rest Greek. Repos (a pagan slavic name) became a monk in the Serb Monastery Hilandar (Founded by Saint Sava), and he along with Skanderbeg's father John were buried there. Go to Mount Athos and see for yourself. Their Tomb Engravings are written in Serbian and Greek, no Albanian. Skanderbeg was the ruler of the Shqiptars, he was born in Albania, so he's Albanian sure. But he wasn't a Shqiptar like you are. For a parallel example so your simple mind can grasp, England's royal Windsor House is of ethnic German descent.
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Post by jonleka on Feb 16, 2011 1:34:56 GMT -5
Krivo have you ever been to Mount Athos?
You are right it si written in Greek and Serbian but you know what it says where his brother is buried.
ARBANSKI PRIG
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Post by terroreign on Feb 16, 2011 1:57:43 GMT -5
Albanian =/ Shqiptar
Vraka Serbs are Albanians, Greeks in Albania are Albanians, the coast of Montenegro was called 'Albanian Veneta' at one point, it's just a regional designation, nothing more.
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