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Post by Hellenas on May 19, 2011 14:52:00 GMT -5
Slavery was inherited and many generations would pass, with slaves having children that were slaves. The new generation would become Greek. Do you have any "proof" of otherwise? When the Romans took the land of Greece not only did they populate the area with foreign ethnic groups, but they also re-located many of the locals to other areas of the empire.. Prove what you say, both of you.
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Post by Hellenas on May 19, 2011 15:02:41 GMT -5
The Greeks at that time were NOT held to a high standard by the Romans. The Romans viewed the Greeks as barbarians, just as they viewed the Gauls, the Huns, the Celts etc. all these were placed in the same bucket from a Roman perspective. Wrong, the Romans considered the Greeks back then as a superior people, the people that taught them the civilization. The Romans back then considered by the Greeks as Barbarians. Of course they used some of Greeks as slaves(see the Thracian Spartakos etc) but that's an other story as well.
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Post by Hellenas on May 19, 2011 15:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah, and the ancient Maniotes AKA Spartans, used to throw their disabled children off a cliff. Scooter trash I don't want to attack you but you are wrong here. That's just Athenian(traditional enemies of the Spartans) propaganda. From explorations that scientists did in that cliff called Kaiadas/Kheadas they found no skeletal remains inside, just one human skeleton that was probably from someone who fell there.
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Post by ivo on May 19, 2011 15:12:51 GMT -5
Hellenas, I already told you that I'm referring mainly to the time period between 0AD and 500AD. At that time, the Greeks were seen as Barbarians just as all other non-Romans. You seem to be referring to a much earlier time period.
And what does Spartacus have to do with "Greek slaves"? Spartacus was a Thracian, not a Greek.
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Post by Hellenas on May 19, 2011 16:38:03 GMT -5
Hellenas, I already told you that I'm referring mainly to the time period between 0AD and 500AD. At that time, the Greeks were seen as Barbarians just as all other non-Romans. You seem to be referring to a much earlier time period. From 0AD to 500AD the Greeks considered by the Romans as a civilized people but the Greeks still called all non-Greeks as Barbarians(including the Romans). During this period we also had the Eastern Roman Empire(Byzantium) so they didn't considered us as Barbarians. The southwestern, southern and southeastern Thracians back then were a part of the Greek world, they spoke Greek, they used the Greek alphabet, had Greek traditions, believed to the ancient Greek Gods/pantheon and they were of the same race like the rest of the Hellenes, even northern Thracians(southern Bulgarians) nowadays are of the same racial type like Cretans and other Aegeans. Spartakos was a Greek Thracian.
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Post by Anittas on May 19, 2011 18:32:25 GMT -5
You are referring to a time period when these Greek city states actually existed as independent entities, be it 100BC, 200BC, 300BC etc. I'm referring to a time when the Roman Empire overrun all the Greek lands, hence the Greek city states were no longer in existence. In fact, I'm mainly referring to the time period roughly between 0AD-500AD. The Greeks at that time were NOT held to a high standard by the Romans. The Romans viewed the Greeks as barbarians, just as they viewed the Gauls, the Huns, the Celts etc. all these were placed in the same bucket from a Roman perspective. Oh, Dacians and Thracians were viewed as barbarians as well. Dude, I mentioned the destruction of Corinth and the Mithridates revolt--all of which occured during the time when Greece was under the Roman Republic. And when I mentioned Roman investment in Athens, don't you think I meant the time when the Greek states were under Roman rulership? Yes, the Romans viewed the Greeks as barbarians, just like they viewed the Egyptians as barbarians; but the term barbarian didn't have the same significance it has today, namely as backward, savage, unsophisticated. The Romans could act arrogant towards Greeks, but that's mainly because the first Greeks they got in contact with were the Greek colonies in Southern Italy and Sicily--and they weren't as advanced as the Greeks on the mainland. There was also a Greek quarter in Rome which was reknown for being a stinky place. However, Athens, during Imperial Rome--most signfically under Hadrian and Nero--was declared a free city and the Romans invested heavily in infrastructure. The Greeks were held in high regard and Greek slaves were respected and held many high positions. I don't know where you got the idea of Greece being a wasteland. Maybe from watching the HBO series Rome. They exagerated a lot of the stuff they put there, you know.
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Post by Anittas on May 19, 2011 18:40:05 GMT -5
Hellenas, I already told you that I'm referring mainly to the time period between 0AD and 500AD. At that time, the Greeks were seen as Barbarians just as all other non-Romans. You seem to be referring to a much earlier time period. From 0AD to 500AD the Greeks considered by the Romans as a civilized people but the Greeks still called all non-Greeks as Barbarians(including the Romans). During this period we also had the Eastern Roman Empire(Byzantium) so they didn't considered us as Barbarians. The southwestern, southern and southeastern Thracians back then were a part of the Greek world, they spoke Greek, they used the Greek alphabet, had Greek traditions, believed to the ancient Greek Gods/pantheon and they were of the same race like the rest of the Hellenes, even northern Thracians(southern Bulgarians) nowadays are of the same racial type like Cretans and other Aegeans. Spartakos was a Greek Thracian. To be a part of the Greek World doesn't equal Greek. The Thracians are not considered Greek. The Thracians and the Myceneans (the ancestors of the ancient Greeks) had split earlier. They were related... could call them cousins, but not Greeks.
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Post by Hellenas on May 20, 2011 2:38:22 GMT -5
Yes, the Romans viewed the Greeks as barbarians, just like they viewed the Egyptians as barbarians; but the term barbarian didn't have the same significance it has today, namely as backward, savage, unsophisticated. The Romans could act arrogant towards Greeks, but that's mainly because the first Greeks they got in contact with were the Greek colonies in Southern Italy and Sicily--and they weren't as advanced as the Greeks on the mainland. There was also a Greek quarter in Rome which was reknown for being a stinky place. The Romans never viewed the Greeks as barbarians, they considered them as superior people whom taught them the civilization, most of teachers and scientists in ancient Rome were Greeks as well. The Greeks from the other hand always considered them as good students but still Barbarian. Southern Italy and Sicily(Magna Grecia) was so or even more advanced as mainland Greece, don't forget the cities, temples and even the naval war-mechanisms of Archimedes etc. The Romans never reknown any Greek place for being stinky, that's the first time I listen something like that. You are right here, also emperor Nero was very philo-Hellene, he made the isthmos of Korinthos(by using Jewish slaves), he took part to the Hellenic Olympic Contests, with poetry etc. He also didn't burn Rome, that's what the first christians did and they blamed him.
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Post by Hellenas on May 20, 2011 2:50:20 GMT -5
To be a part of the Greek World doesn't equal Greek. The Thracians are not considered Greek. The Thracians and the Myceneans (the ancestors of the ancient Greeks) had split earlier. They were related... could call them cousins, but not Greeks. Thracians were culturally Greeks as well. The northern Thracians (modern southern Bulgarians) racially now: Bulgaria was once Thracian country;The Bulgarians of the kingdom have heads of moderate size, with a mean length of about 189 mm. and a breadth of 150 mm.; they are comparable in this respect to the longer-headed Greeks.As with the Greeks, the jaw is wider than the forehead, but both widths are much narrower than with the latter.The pigmentation of the Bulgars, while lighter than that of the Greeks, is predominantly dark.The Bulgarians are a composite people, with the following racial elements easily discernible: (a) a medium to tall-statured Atlanto-Mediterranean; The basic element is the Atlanto-Mediterranean;Of these varied elements, the first two are the most important, and the first more than the second. The presence of a strongly entrenched Atlanto-Mediterranean population in all of the lowland Balkans south and east of the Iron Gate is becoming increasingly evident. In Bulgaria it is geographically most concentrated along the southern ethnic periphery, and among Bulgarian colonies abroad, as in the Crimea. The Atlanto-Mediterranean element it may also be sorted out of available statistical series of Greeks.carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-15.htmillyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=physicalracialanthropologydiscussion&action=display&thread=32218
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 24, 2011 7:42:26 GMT -5
And what does Spartacus have to do with "Greek slaves"? Spartacus was a Thracian, not a Greek. The depths of his idiocy are infinite. Aziz, have you ever gone to the VITOSHA MUSEUM IN SOFIA? No? ( i thought so). Well, somewhere between the Nazi maps of greater bulgaria, (i dont recall if its in the same floor) you will find the THRACIAN room of the museum. Go and read the inscriptions there..... 100% Greek. PS Btw, nice building (vitosha museum), reminds me full of this glorious era of the slavic nations between 1945-1991.
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Post by Patrinos on May 24, 2011 14:02:23 GMT -5
PS Btw, nice building (vitosha museum), reminds me full of this glorious era of the slavic nations between 1945-1991. lol... koumouni?
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Post by Kanaris on May 24, 2011 15:47:22 GMT -5
The Slavic nations were great under the Soviet yolk... all tied up together under an iron fist.... When they separated most of them crapped out.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 24, 2011 22:09:15 GMT -5
Kanaris, Yugoslavia wasn't tied to the Soviets, they split dramatically early into commie Tito's rule. Unfortunately, it was the west (US and UK) who fiananced Yugoslav communism and made Tito into a world wide celebritity. The west viewed Yugoslavia as the *land bridge* between themselves and the Soviets. When cracks started to appear in the USSR during the mid 80's and when Gorbi announced his reforms in a speech of 1985, the west sensed trouble, and hence, brought in a bill to stop *FINANCIAL AID* to Yugoslavia, hence its collaspe in 1990/91.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 25, 2011 2:42:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it was the west (US and UK) who fiananced Yugoslav communism and made Tito into a world wide celebritity. The west viewed Yugoslavia as the *land bridge* between themselves and the Soviets. Lets say here that all the trouble with Yugoslavia was about ....... 20B dollars........ The west destroyed Yugoslavia with this excuse. PS Novi, what you say is totally true, but do not expect anyone to be able to understand what you write. For them "capitalism" vs "communism" is already enough to cause a stack overflow in their brain.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 25, 2011 2:43:13 GMT -5
PS Btw, nice building (vitosha museum), reminds me full of this glorious era of the slavic nations between 1945-1991. lol... koumouni? Alvane i dont understand you once again. Read what i write instead of trying to guess what i am. Suffice to say that i am SUPERIOR to you.
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Post by Kanaris on May 25, 2011 7:27:26 GMT -5
The problem with Greece is pseudo intellectual commies like you Pyrros, that complain all day but lack the substance to do anything.. always waiting for the next guy to do the job.
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Post by abubu on May 26, 2011 19:35:48 GMT -5
Do work, pay owe balance then if like listen one in four ignoranzie greek and leave Euro. Good luck with loans after.
China not even want to loan you then bicause you no are no more Euro member. Maybe Turkey interested.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on May 26, 2011 22:00:46 GMT -5
I don't understand why you try to hide... you're the 'cayman island pseudo ip' bastard that spoke perfect ingrish a few months ago.... so either join us in the discussion like the gentleman you displayed you were in the past or fuk off.
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Post by Anittas on May 27, 2011 4:08:45 GMT -5
Melty, is that you?
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Post by Scooter trash. on May 27, 2011 6:01:48 GMT -5
I thought all the Albanians left the forum. Now they come disguised? How honorable!
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