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Post by Sokol on Sept 8, 2011 0:14:03 GMT -5
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 8, 2011 3:22:02 GMT -5
^^^ apparently history did not teach you much.
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Post by ivo on Sept 8, 2011 11:38:55 GMT -5
The Bulgarians were greeted with great affection as the book has mentioned. With regards to the political administration of the region, it was done poorly. The people that were put in positions of authority were Bulgarians from Bulgaria, rather than Bulgarians from Macedonia. Which obviously caused the locals to be displeased with the newly installed government.
Actions were undertaken to revert the anti-Bulgarian policies that were in place starting with Serbia's occupation of Macedonia in the early 1900's (including Greece's occupation of Aegean Macedonia). It's natural that those who had succumbed to the brutal de-Bulgarization methods of Serbs and Greeks were not pleased that their own local citizens were not allowed to ascend to high ranking government positions.
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Post by elemag on Sept 8, 2011 12:26:32 GMT -5
My grandfather told me stories that Boris had to be guarded like the American president from the ordinary people in Macedonia who wanted to see and touch him with great affection. I prefer to believe my granddad who witnessesd the events than read what 10-year olds post here, especially when they have thoroughly brainwashed.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 8, 2011 22:27:42 GMT -5
"apparently history did not teach you much."
Pyrro, as you know man, BuLgari don't have much to show for Vardar, its all 19th century propaganda then later promoted in a different package by Herr Tito Broz and his henchmen from Croatia and Slovenia.
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Post by elemag on Sept 11, 2011 14:04:23 GMT -5
Your posts are very confusing. It is quite an intellectual challenge to get what you are trying to say. May be the reason is that you yourself have no clue what you are talking about. Are you trying to say that Tito supported Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia?! If so, you should cut your fingers and stop posting on the Internet.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 11, 2011 22:06:39 GMT -5
^ A stronger yugoslavia means a weaker serbia, ever heard of this elemag?
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Post by ivo on Sept 12, 2011 3:13:26 GMT -5
Shut your hole Dumbooo.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2011 5:40:27 GMT -5
what Novi said was a largely used slogan in ex-yu. That is fact, get your mongol ass used to the truth : yugoslavia was an anti-serb country. If it was pro-serb now Serb army would take its bath in the nice beaches (not bit ches !) in varna.
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Post by ioan on Sept 12, 2011 7:11:29 GMT -5
I doubt the Serbs ever had anything to do with Varna. However Belgrade was under direct Bulgarian rule for centuries (longer that it was Serbian!). As a whole, even nowadays southern and eastern Serbia speak heavily serbanized Bulgarian. Remember they thought they speak "simple Bulgarian"). Unfortunately later the "simple" was substituted with "serbian influenced".
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2011 8:09:25 GMT -5
I doubt the Serbs ever had anything to do with Varna. However Belgrade was under direct Bulgarian rule for centuries (longer that it was Serbian!). As a whole, even nowadays southern and eastern Serbia speak heavily serbanized Bulgarian. Remember they thought they speak "simple Bulgarian"). Unfortunately later the "simple" was substituted with "serbian influenced". excluding only eastern bulgaria, the rest speak a Bulgarized version of Serbian. Especially the western part with their notorious similarities with Serbian Stokavica. (the Ekavica version, but equally intelligible with Stokavian Bosnians as well). i verified this in the outskirts of Sofia, where my Bosnian wife felt like in ..... Serbia lol!!!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2011 8:10:51 GMT -5
Let us also remember the official positions of the RUSSIAN CAR, who in 1828, considered bulgarian as a Serbian dialect, along with Bosnian and Montenegrin dialects.
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Post by ioan on Sept 13, 2011 1:50:08 GMT -5
You havent been in Eastern Bulgaria (and I m born and raised there) so I think you are the last person to classify Bulgaria. Also you dont speak both languages. When (and if) you start speaking them you ll get that half of Serbia speaks heavily serbanized Bulgaria (Torlakian) which the Torlaks thought was "simple Bulgarian".
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Post by terroreign on Sept 13, 2011 3:12:15 GMT -5
Let us also remember the official positions of the RUSSIAN CAR, who in 1828, considered bulgarian as a Serbian dialect, along with Bosnian and Montenegrin dialects. really, that's just nails in the coffin pyrros ol' boy!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 3:28:55 GMT -5
Let us also remember the official positions of the RUSSIAN CAR, who in 1828, considered bulgarian as a Serbian dialect, along with Bosnian and Montenegrin dialects. really, that's just nails in the coffin pyrros ol' boy! What's equally important is that the Car did not even mention Croatian. And that means that cakavica/kajkavica are two totally distinct languages, and also that stokavian catholics speak just Stokavian Serbian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 3:32:28 GMT -5
You havent been in Eastern Bulgaria (and I m born and raised there) so I think you are the last person to classify Bulgaria. Also you dont speak both languages. When (and if) you start speaking them you ll get that half of Serbia speaks heavily serbanized Bulgaria (Torlakian) which the Torlaks thought was "simple Bulgarian". last person? i've been there twice, just to study you. ;D also i dont need to go to eastern bulgaria, since the official language in Sofia depicts exactly the eastern accent and lexis. IZHOD/VHOD?? gimme a fucking break, go and see how the maks/western bulgos say those words (IZLAZ/ULAZ) lol
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Post by odel on Sept 13, 2011 3:57:54 GMT -5
The Russian Czar is by no means any reliable source; he's no expert and he obviously said those things due to politics. When there's only a limited and unreliable sources that backs up what you say you have to grasp for straws though, it's one of those few things Serbs are good at I guess.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 4:19:23 GMT -5
some points quickly : The Russian Czar is by no means any reliable source; he's no expert and he obviously said those things due to politics. The book is by far less political than this emetic piece of garbage by this anti-slav Noel Malcolm that you dared to present as "source". When there's only a limited and unreliable sources that backs up what you say you have to grasp for straws though, it's one of those few things Serbs are good at I guess. Novi has posted around a dozen more sources which supported the same thing. If you are interested we might send him a PM to dig those sources for us.
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 13, 2011 4:28:44 GMT -5
The book is by far less political than this emetic piece of garbage by this anti-slav Noel Malcolm that you dared to present as "source". Ah, I see. the American mentality. "If you're not with us, you're against us".
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 13, 2011 4:44:47 GMT -5
The book is by far less political than this emetic piece of garbage by this anti-slav Noel Malcolm that you dared to present as "source". Ah, I see. the American mentality. "If you're not with us, you're against us". you don't see anything. The Russian Car just signed a book which stated that Bulgarian is an idiom of Serbian. And that's it. No more references to Bulgarians. Noel Malcolm, OTOH, wrote about 10 anti-serb books. its not smth comparable.
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