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Post by alb12345 on Sept 8, 2011 12:11:58 GMT -5
How should albanians be today without slavic race around ?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 8, 2011 12:21:58 GMT -5
albanians wouldn't have any more civilization & would digress back into the primates you were before we arrived
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Post by terroreign on Sept 8, 2011 13:23:03 GMT -5
^ don't misunderstand. we aren't here out of charity, we're here for our own interests & will see them through until skadar is ours again.
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Post by uz on Sept 9, 2011 15:18:46 GMT -5
Albanians without slavic people ? An evolutionary-halt
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Post by derk on Sept 9, 2011 15:19:42 GMT -5
^seriously UZ, I think this is your best post ever, LMAO ;D
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Post by theyshoothorses on Sept 9, 2011 19:21:03 GMT -5
How should albanians be today without slavic race around ? I think Balkan and it's history would have been radically different. I think we would have formed a lasting kingdom led by a powerful monarch, with humanistic and scientific values at its core. We would have been better integrated with central and western Europe diplomatically, and with wise administration and a powerful army would have successfully resisted Ottoman hordes. We would have made friends with the our neighbors, the Bulgars and Macedonians, and good trade relations with the Greeks. Too bad the Slavs came and fucked it all up ;D
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Post by uz on Sept 9, 2011 19:28:51 GMT -5
How should albanians be today without slavic race around ? I think Balkan and it's history would have been radically different. I think we would have formed a lasting kingdom led by a powerful monarch, with humanistic and scientific values at its core. We would have been better integrated with central and western Europe diplomatically, and with wise administration and a powerful army would have successfully resisted Ottoman hordes. We would have made friends with the our neighbors, the Bulgars and Macedonians, and good trade relations with the Greeks. Too bad the Slavs came and f**ked it all up ;D Did it go something like this....
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Post by theyshoothorses on Sept 9, 2011 19:38:41 GMT -5
No, we stopped you in the fields of Kosova.
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Post by uz on Sept 9, 2011 19:42:34 GMT -5
You're talking about the Turks, you know.... back when you guys didn't even know what Kosovo was.
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Post by theyshoothorses on Sept 9, 2011 19:55:14 GMT -5
No, I am talking about the early Albanian people who saw human grey wave after wave of Slavs making ingressions upon our land, and we drew the line in Kosova and said "no more, this is where it stops".
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Post by uz on Sept 9, 2011 19:56:30 GMT -5
Actually the Slavs drew the line, in Albania (this is where they stopped). Kosovo was never questioned untill recently.
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Post by darkness on Sept 9, 2011 20:33:27 GMT -5
we can't know exactly how it would have been,but they have come and we can chose to solve kosova issue and finally become civilized people or we chose to fight and hate eachother like pyrro and novi.i personally chose to cooperate with these people.my choice isn't based at brotherhood or likehood but at the interest of my people,bcs i know they're tired of violence and hate.And i'm also tired of being the morons of europe even the asians laugh at us.
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Post by uz on Sept 9, 2011 20:53:27 GMT -5
Kosovo is Serbian, but this does not mean it's non-Albanian.
Kosovo belongs to both Serbs and Albanians. It was the Kosovo-Albanians who joined Serb forces to battle on against the Ottomans, it was the Kosovo Albanians who ASSISTED in preserving Serb culture in Kosovo, by protecting our sanctuaries/churches, joining forces as one-unit yet this NEVER meant Albanians had to drop who they were. Quite the opposite.
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Post by darkness on Sept 9, 2011 20:57:03 GMT -5
Kosovo is Serbian, but this does not mean it's non-Albanian. Kosovo belongs to both Serbs and Albanians. It was the Kosovo-Albanians who joined Serb forces to battle on against the Ottomans, it was the Kosovo Albanians who ASSISTED in preserving Serb culture in Kosovo, by protecting our sanctuaries/churches, joining forces as one-unit yet this NEVER meant Albanians had to drop who they were. Quite the opposite. where did it all go wrong then?
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Post by uz on Sept 9, 2011 21:04:03 GMT -5
Kosovo is Serbian, but this does not mean it's non-Albanian. Kosovo belongs to both Serbs and Albanians. It was the Kosovo-Albanians who joined Serb forces to battle on against the Ottomans, it was the Kosovo Albanians who ASSISTED in preserving Serb culture in Kosovo, by protecting our sanctuaries/churches, joining forces as one-unit yet this NEVER meant Albanians had to drop who they were. Quite the opposite. where did it all go wrong then? This is the MILLION DOLLAR question. I actually started a thread hoping to get some answers. Unfortunately no one really knew the answer, the thread turned into the circus you see here time to time, lol.
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 9, 2011 22:03:55 GMT -5
I think without the Slavs, there would be more Albanians. there would still be more countries in the Balkans, but each with their own Albanian culture, like how Montenegrin and Serbian culture is both Serb. I think Albanian countries would be more economically developed, except probably modern-day Albania as it doesn't really have much resources other countries want. Some would be muslim, others orthodox, most would probably be catholic.
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Post by plisbardhi on Sept 10, 2011 0:05:17 GMT -5
A hundred years ago Albanian Ghegs and even Montenegrins were still culturally stuck in the iron age, so forget about actual Slav influence. But if Slavs never came who know what would have happened, its pointless to even think about it. An Illyria-sized Albania could have been a powerful European state, or the Ottomans could have rode our backs like the Romans and all of Europe would be Muslim today.
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Post by odel on Sept 10, 2011 4:42:25 GMT -5
The culturally most backwards among Albanians (as Plisbardhi mentions, they were in the iron age basically) were those who resisted foreign influence the most. That's why Southern-Albania was much more civilized as it was more integrated in the Ottoman empire than Northern-Albanians who weren't as civilized, there was always some urban areas though like Shkodra and Prizren that were northern yet very civilized but usually it was like this in terms of backwardness: North>>South.
That's basically how backwards people took civilization in history: More civilized cultures imposed themselves on less civilized cultures or "Barbarians" and brought civilization onto them. In turn, these formerly less civilized cultures became civilized and often even more so than the ones who brought civilization to them, they then imposed themselves on other "Barbarians" and so it went in a circle sort of.
In our case the Slavs didn't influence us that much culturally, I don't believe that without the Slavs we would have been mud-eaters like implied by some here. The Slavs themselves were civilized by the Byzantine in the first place when they came pouring into the Balkans, and that goes for almost all of the Slavic nations except for Catholic ones like Poles and Czechs who have more of a Western influence.
Then after the Byzantines came the Ottomans who influenced South-Slavs only. Most of the similarities between Balkan people are there because they have basically the same cultural influences (Byzantine, Ottoman), not because Slavs were so civilized, which they were not, they were basically Barbarians with a peasantly weak and pathetic appearance.
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Post by donnie on Sept 10, 2011 4:52:51 GMT -5
No problem with most southern Slavs, if only the Serbs could've continued staying in Sorbia, the rest would be welcomed.
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