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Post by Sokol on Sept 27, 2011 18:15:26 GMT -5
No allies here bro. I cannot allie with greater-serb and greater-bulgar fascists. All the same to me.
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Post by uz on Sept 27, 2011 18:50:10 GMT -5
No allies here bro. I cannot allie with greater-serb and greater-bulgar fascists. All the same to me. Funny, b/c you're most likely a mix of one of the two, or a mix of both.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 27, 2011 19:13:37 GMT -5
Not really. We are related to both, in that Slavic tribes settled in Serbia, Macedonia and Bulgaria, but it is wrong to say we are a mix of Bulgar and Serb. There were no mass settlements of proto-Bulgars or proto-Serbs in Macedonia. There were however settlements of Slavs, who mixed with the native population to produce today's Macedonian nation.
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Post by ivo on Sept 27, 2011 20:36:11 GMT -5
Don't concern yourself with the distant past, you have enough issues understanding things that occurred not even a hundred years ago.
The vast majority of the Slavic speaking population of Macedonia identified as Bulgarians until recently. Coincidentally, they were recorded as Bulgarians more than 1000 years ago by Byzantine sources.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 27, 2011 20:42:24 GMT -5
The vast majority of the Slavic speaking population of Macedonia identified as Bulgarians until recently.
No they didn't. This is the point. Those under the Patriachate considered themselves something different. Many under the Exarchate also considered themselves as something else, and those under Serbian influence, considered themselves Serbs.
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Post by ivo on Sept 27, 2011 20:46:20 GMT -5
The point is, they didn't consider themselves as ethnic Macedonians. They were Bulgars, Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Turks, Vlachs, and whatever else.. but no ethnic Macedonians.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 27, 2011 20:53:09 GMT -5
The point is, they didn't consider themselves as ethnic Macedonians. They were Bulgars, Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Turks, Vlachs, and whatever else.. but no ethnic Macedonians. They considered themselves Christians first and foremost. They also considered themselves Makedonci - (whether as a regional reference or otherwise), and they called their language Makedonski. Others however classified them as something else - eg., the Ottomans according to their church affiliation. Those who were educated however called themselves what they were educated as.
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Post by ivo on Sept 27, 2011 21:37:06 GMT -5
It is true that the population of Macedonia has used the term 'Macedonian' to identify itself on a regional basis long before the creation of the Macedonian ethnic identity.
It is important, however, for us to remember that a 'Macedonian' back then was any person from Macedonia, be they of Bulgar, Albanian, Greek, Serb, Turkish, or Vlach ethnic origin.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 27, 2011 22:55:34 GMT -5
It is true that the population of Macedonia has used the term 'Macedonian' to identify itself on a regional basis long before the creation of the Macedonian ethnic identity. It is important, however, for us to remember that a 'Macedonian' back then was any person from Macedonia, be they of Bulgar, Albanian, Greek, Serb, Turkish, or Vlach ethnic origin. Like I said, the Christian inhabitants typically referred to themselves as Hrisjani (Christians), with a Macedonian regional identity. They referred to their language as Makedonski (Macedonian).
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Post by Anittas on Sept 28, 2011 12:31:11 GMT -5
rather serbian culture is a straight copy of the Bulgarian one. We are used to seeing the Serbs doing what we did with 4-5 centuries delay your churches are a copy of the byzantines ones... where are your styles? your schools ?? your architecture?? Everything in bulgaria is either byzantine, serbian or Russian. In Serbia, almost everything is original.... 1st balkan gun : made in serbia 1st military industry : built in serbia 1st police force : serbia 1st 1st 1st 1st ajde cjao When was this first Serbian gun manufactured? It better be before 1462. As for military industry, as I have shown you before (with sources), Romania built an aeroplane factory before Serbia did, so I'm guessing you're thinking of a different branch of military industry. I'm not sure what you mean when you say Serbia had the first police force.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2011 20:36:41 GMT -5
Chento, Serbian tribes did settle in Vardar, as they did in Albania/CG/Bosnia and present day Srbija. The BIG question is, did the Turkish BuLgari settle in those regions?
Lets see what new Kuber theories we have waiting?
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Post by Sokol on Sept 28, 2011 20:43:08 GMT -5
Slavic tribes settled in Macedonia. Serb tribes however only stayed temporarily around Salonika before departing Macedonia.
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Post by ivo on Sept 29, 2011 12:30:52 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the other thread.. a group of Serbs migrated South through Macedonia, through present day Northern Greece, eventually reaching their area of settlement in Anatolia. The settlement was known as Gorodoservon and is estimated at about 30,000.
There were no large scale Serb settlements in Macedonia throughout the middle ages.
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