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Post by uz on Nov 7, 2011 18:19:11 GMT -5
^Who are you to not agree with US, you canadian hoser. You are like the weird guys upstairs... Only that you are the weird guys up in the "great white north". I must sell my soul to a Western cause, b/c it homes me? Everything I have here was worked for on my behalf, I owe nothing to them...they owe me tho. ps; okay, smartass I'm going to give you a chance to redeem yourself. Pull up an argument in this thread inwhich I posted w/ the source that you do not agree with. Let's talk it out. Otherwise get the fuck out of here. budalo jedno...
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Post by derk on Nov 7, 2011 18:22:20 GMT -5
^I don't need to bring up another argument, I already stated my opinion. You cannot order me budala*
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Post by ulf on Nov 7, 2011 18:37:06 GMT -5
Now, tell me if this isn't funny ;D The way I see those things is something like this(just switch "Bison" with "Serbs"):
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Post by uz on Nov 7, 2011 19:25:20 GMT -5
On 18 August 2003, BBC1 broadcast a programme in its Real Story series. This one was an account of a massacre of Kosovo Albanians in Podujevo and of the return of four survivors from Britain to Serbia to give evidence at the trial of a member of a Serb paramilitary unit accused of the massacre. What actually happened at Racak has always been disputed. On 21 January 1999, Le Monde published an article, entitled Were the Racak dead really massacred in cold blood?, by French journalist Christophe Chatelot. See here for an English translation. Chatelot himself was in Racak on the afternoon of 15 January after the Yugoslav forces had withdrawn from the village and observed nothing out of the ordinary. It is almost impossible to reconcile his account with the orthodox view that there was a massacre of Albanian civilians by Yugoslav forces in Racak on 15 January 1999.www.david-morrison.org.uk/kosovo/kosovo-real-story.htm Le Monde report asks: Were the Racak dead really massacred in cold blood? (English translation) ---------------- One would never guess that from the reporting at the time or since that, prior to the NATO intervention, the KLA were responsible for roughly the same number of deaths in Kosovo as Yugoslav forces. We have that on no less an authority than the then UK Secretary of State for Defence, George Robertson (who later became NATO Secretary General). Giving evidence to the House of Commons Defence Select Committee on the day the bombing started, he said: “Up until Racak earlier this year [on 15 January] the KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been.”www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm
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Post by uz on Nov 7, 2011 19:30:58 GMT -5
Who is William Walker? An extract from a BBC documentary. Great questioning from the reporters side. Lies get exposed. RE; VIDEO; Who is William Walker. The Racak Incidentby Diana Johnstone Paris, 20 January 1999 French newspaper and television reports today feature evidenc apparently ignored by U.S. media, suggesting that the "Racak massacre" so vigorously denounced by the U.S.-imposed head of the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) "verifiers" mission to Kosovo, William Walker, was a setup. This coincides with reports in the German press indicating strong irritation with Walker among other OSCE members. Meanwhile, the ineffable State Department spokesman James Rubin appeared tonight on CNN for short glimpses between Clinton impeachment dronings, plodding forward amid questions from journalists even more gung-ho for NATO bombings than he and his bride Christiane Amanpour, whose love story apparently owes so much to the common anti-Serb cause. It seems the U.S. is clueless as to the doubts being cast elsewhere on the "massacre" story, and the only questions well-paid U.S. journalists could conjure up were variations on the theme, "why isn't cowardly NATO already bombing the Serbs?" The important fact about Racak.;The event was the killing of “45 men” - Kosovo Albanians - in Racak in Kosovo on Friday 15 January 1999. The bodies were shown to teams of reporters, camera-men, and the OSCE Kosovo Verification Mission, by the KLA, the next morning. Everyone present would know that this would make headline news around the world and suggest again the viciousness of the Serbs. And once again it would evoke enormous sympathy for the “innocent” Kosovo Albanians whose behaviour in the preceding hours might not be reported. In other words.... and then...
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 7, 2011 19:36:52 GMT -5
Racak incident? I remember that. That must have been embarrassing for the Kosovar Albanians
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Post by uz on Nov 7, 2011 20:18:09 GMT -5
Helena Ranta: Foreign Ministry tried to influence Kosovo reportsForensic dentist Helena Ranta says that officials of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs had tried to influence the content of her reports in 2000, when Ranta was commissioned by the European Union to investigate the events of Racak in Kosovo. More than 40 Albanians were killed in the village of Racak in January 1999. The investigation by Ranta’s working group was very charged from the beginning. It was commonly assumed that Serb forces had perpetrated a massacre, which helped persuade NATO to launch bombings of Yugoslavia in the spring of 1999. In her investigations, Ranta focussed on forensic medicine; she did not want to take a stand, at that stage, on politically and legally loaded terminologyRanta says that the head of the Foreign Ministry’s political section at the time, Pertti Torstila, who now holds the position of Secretary of State, asked her to remove a comment from the report, that was “very mildly critical” of the foreign affairs administration. I feel that it was more a task for the war crimes tribunal”, Ranta says in the book. Torstila disputes Ranta’s claims. “My first reaction is amazement”, Torstila says by e-mail from Washington. “I feel that we had an exceptionally open and close relationship with Helena Ranta in our difficult work in Racak and Kosovo. I believe that we both sought genuinely and jointly to find the truth.”
In any case, pressure was high, specifically in the investigation over Racak. That pressure also came from the media.
According to Ranta, in the winter of 1999 William Walker, the head of the OSCE Kosovo monitoring mission, broke a pencil in two and threw the pieces at her when she was not willing to use sufficiently strong language about the Serbswww.hs.fi/english/article/1135240292632----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Massacre' by Serbs in Kosovo Was a Hoax by the KLA but Was Reported as Truth in PBS DocumentaryOne of the biggest and most useful lies was about the incident that served as the excuse for launching the air war--the alleged massacre of 45 ethnic Albanian peasants at a village called Racak on Jan. 15,1999.If the Serbs went to Racak with the intention of murdering innocent villagers, they certainly would not have invited an AP camera crew to accompany them. The two AP cameramen later were interviewed by two French reporters, Christofe Chatelot of Le Monde and Renaud Girard of Le Figaro. Chatelot had seen a Serb news release in the afternoon of Jan. 15, after the Serbs had withdrawn, reporting that they had sent forces to Racak, a KLA stronghold, and had killed 15 terrorists. He went to see what had happened, arriving at about 4 p.m. He saw three cars belonging to official observers, and he talked to a U.S. army captain named Scott. Scott said nothing about civilians being killed, and Chatelot saw nothing unusual. He saw no reason to go to Racak the next day, when reporters and the AP camera crew were urged to go there. It was then that the AP got footage of many dead bodies, including one of a man who appears to have had his head blown off. That body was neatly laid out in the center of the village, with a blanket on one side and a white bench on the other. There was no sign of any blood on either the bench or the blanket. The body evidently had been placed there after the withdrawal of the Serbs the previous day.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551806/The Racak "massacre" was a hoax, perpetrated by the KLA. It was exposed in the French press by Chatelot and Girard. Girard had written an article calling the massacre a crime against humanity, but after talking to Chatelot and the AP camera crew he retracted what he had written. He says Racak was a "fighting village" making the Serb attack a legitimate military operation. He said Walker got what he wanted, a pretext for starting the war. The Frontline producers should have known from the AP footage that the massacre was a fraud. They could have confirmed it by interviewing the crew that took it and the French reporters.
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Post by uz on Nov 7, 2011 20:30:20 GMT -5
More Doubts on the So-Called Racak Massacre A French reporter (Christofe Chatelot) who fell for the ruse later wrote a story admitting that he had been duped by the KLA. But here, in the United States, the myth persists. News organizations continue to refer to the “Racak massacre,” as if it has been established beyond reasonable doubt. A recent Chicago Tribune report speculated on whether new fighting in Kosovo might provoke the Serbs into a “Racak-style retaliation.” But enough evidence now exists to prove that the so-called massacre was a hoax. People certainly died in Racak, after a confrontation between Serbian security forces and the Kosovo Liberation Army. An Associated Press camera crew was invited by the Serbs to videotape the assault on Racak, a KLA stronghold. This film showed no massacre and no bodies. But the KLA gathered up some bodies and laid them out for other journalists to see and photograph. Film of this spectacle was then shown to the world as evidence of a massacre. However, a close analysis of this film itself raised doubts. There’s no indication that the men were even shot there; there’s no significant amount of blood in the area, even though there were numerous head wounds and even a decapitation.www.aim.org/media-monitor/more-doubts-on-the-so-called-racak-massacre/More first hand witnessing; mailman.lbo-talk.org/2000/2000-June/011353.htmlKosovo: Obscure Areas of a MassacreLe Figaro (translated in english) The images filmed during the attack on the village of Racak contradict the Albanians' and the OSCE's version Racak.The scene of Albanian corpses in civilian clothes lined up in a ditch which would shock the whole world was not discovered until the next morning, around 9 a.m., by journalists, soon followed by OSCE observers. At that time, the village was once again taken over by armed UCK soldiers who led the foreign visitors, as soon as they arrived, toward the supposed massacre site. Around noon, William Walker in person arrived and expressed his indignation. All the Albanian witnesses gave the same version: at midday, the policemen forced their way into homes and separated the women from the men, whom they led to the hilltops to execute them without more ado. The most disturbing fact is that the pictures filmed by the AP TV journalists -- which Le Figaro was shown yesterday -- radically contradict that version. It was in fact an empty village that the police entered in the morning, sticking close to the walls. The shooting was intense, as they were fired on from UCK trenches dug into the hillside.-Renaud Girard for Le Figaro ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operation Racak5 Albanians were allegedly murdered by Serb special forces. This is controversial, with many believing that those killed were KLA fighters who were later moved to give the appearance of a massacre, this is supported by forensic reports. During the trial of Slobodan Milosevic, all charges relating to Racak were dropped due to a lack of evidence to prove that the incident was a massacre.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War#cite_note-62KLA had been planning to fabricate "Serbian Crimes"According to a January 12, 1999 report compiled by OSCE/KVM verifiers in Stimlje, the KLA was planning to fabricate “Serbian crimes” in order to falsely place blame on the army and police. It is worth noting that Racak is in the Stimlje municipality, and that January 12th was just three days before the Racak operation. Ironically, this document was given to Milosevic by the prosecution.
These internal KVM documents also showed that William Walker tried to suppress reports that the KLA had kidnapped MUP and VJ personnel serving in the Racak area. The documents showed that Walker was furious at the KVM staff when word reached Washington that the kidnappings had occurred. Read the whole open-book right here; www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1836
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2011 16:06:22 GMT -5
the truth is you and others are vehemently trying to change history and doing a good job of it in your own minds ....you might be able to change older history from hundreds of years ago BUT not what happened just yesterday ....you idiot bunch of budals of southern slavs besides your wasting your time and efforts telling us other balkanites this bs crap here on forum ...all your achieving basically is convincing yourselves ......better off for you to find some red necks forum on sewing or cultivating flowers and post this crap there ..maybe you can convince them for sure ....... Dobrica Cosic said it best ...... "A lie, trait of our patriotism" “We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. We lie for love and honesty. We lie because of freedom. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively."
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Post by uz on Nov 8, 2011 16:14:59 GMT -5
^ Too bad everything you put ^here is completetly irrelevent to the thread.
All quotes, documentations, sources, news, books, videos etc...are all non-Serb. Dobrica Cosic has absolutelely nothing to do with this. Good job on the contribution.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2011 16:17:21 GMT -5
again ....how old were you when the shit was going down in Yugoslavia ?
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Post by uz on Nov 8, 2011 16:18:10 GMT -5
This is about the Kosovo war, we're not sidetracking here.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2011 16:23:38 GMT -5
yes ...how old were you during the kosova war ?
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Post by uz on Nov 8, 2011 16:27:45 GMT -5
I was old enough throughout all the wars, I was caught in one of them but managed to leave. Where you going with this?
Bring up something that disturbs you and let's talk it out. No emotion, just logic and level-headed arguments.
Is it;
-The Islamic-extremist involvement in the KLA?
-NATO's baseless/illegal intervention in Yugoslavia/Serbia in 99'?
-The hoax massacacre at Racak (which perpetrated the war in the first place)?
-KLA endorsed Prison camps?
-The organ-traficking claims?
-Evidence of the KLA expelling Serbs and non-Albanians by the masses (before the war, during and after)?
Sorry Rex, but the truth is in fact coming out. Anyone who looks into this can't help it anymore but to stumble onto the truth.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2011 18:24:35 GMT -5
yea ....all the ex kla are imams now ..wtf
you were warned by the world ......BOOOM ....I bet some still have their old bulls-eyes target
hoax like in srbenica and freezer trucks and albanian woman and children buried/hidden in serbia and many still unaccounted for
got to keep the bad apples somewhere
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bs again ....they were fleeing serb bandits ....I had many refugee families in my house in Macedonia and over 200 other families in my village .....we know exactly who and what made em refugees of their own lands
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 8, 2011 18:30:59 GMT -5
I was old enough throughout all the wars, I was caught in one of them but managed to leave. Where you going with this? Bring up something that disturbs you and let's talk it out. No emotion, just logic and level-headed arguments.Is it; -The Islamic-extremist involvement in the KLA? -NATO's baseless/illegal intervention in Yugoslavia/Serbia in 99'? -The hoax massacacre at Racak (which perpetrated the war in the first place)? -KLA endorsed Prison camps? -The organ-traficking claims? -Evidence of the KLA expelling Serbs and non-Albanians by the masses (before the war, during and after)? Sorry Rex, but the truth is in fact coming out. Anyone who looks into this can't help it anymore but to stumble onto the truth. Read "Blood on my Hands" by Craig Jurisevic. It airs out the dirty laundry on both sides.
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Post by uz on Nov 8, 2011 18:38:16 GMT -5
That's not what I or any of the sources state. Read from page-2.
This islamic-extremists in the KLA was regularly being talking about in the Hague (as being a fact). Milosevic exposed proof from the FBI files the PROSECUTORS GAVE HIM. The CIA even documented it.
Doesn't mean the intervention wasn't illegal/baseless.
We're talking about Racak. They'res no evidence of a massacare, this was even clear duing the Milosevic trial, ALL CHARGES AGAINST MILOSEVIC THAT WAS REGARDING RACAK WERE DROPPED, after he humiliated EVERY single prosecutions' witness that tried to state otherwise.
I'm glad you aknowledge the prison camps the KLA setup, for Serbs, Albanians and other enthics alike.
-The organ-traficking claims?
I don't expect you to aknowledge that possibility. Are you even qualified to have a level-opinion on this? The case can maybe use you.
Again, the UN could have used your insight when they prepared a 1200-page report (post-conflict) on the KLA expelling 100 000's Serbs prior/during the war and 200 000 within days when Serb-forces left Kosovo (this isn't including the other ethnics).
As much as I dislike the guy, Milosevic handled himself exceptionally well in the Hague. A true representative for the Serb voice in the face of law and justice.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2011 19:06:10 GMT -5
those that tried to created refugees became refugees themselves ...
God watches sometimes ....
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Post by uz on Nov 8, 2011 19:11:51 GMT -5
those that tried to created refugees became refugees themselves ... God watches sometimes .... So now you argue from a "higher-power" perspective, lol. yes, God is vengeful. ... that means you guys better watch out ... right. Either way, the Alb-regime in Kosovo along with the USA fooled everyone and you can be proud of that and only that. Just remember the Albanian-cause in Kosovo mainly the KLA and their supporters have no moral/honorable ground to stand on.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 8, 2011 19:16:53 GMT -5
strange at first how the usa pegged the kla as terrorists only bcs it was a serbian lie and maneuvering ...but then the real terrorists were the serb banditas .... Freedom fighters of their people on their own lands ...them darn kla isnt it strange that if you ask who the banditas were in croatia,bosnia and in kosova ....the answer is the same ....
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