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Post by Anittas on Nov 5, 2011 0:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by derk on Nov 5, 2011 4:39:37 GMT -5
anittas, this is a rather sensitive subject. He was born in Thessaloniki. It is usually agreed by the historians that his father was albanian/of albanian origin. I believe his mother was a yörük türkmen. Before this starts another "turks are a redheaded blue eyed race" debate all I wanna say is that Atatürk was Turkish but not in the way most people perceive turkishness. It is of no doubt that he is racially not turkish. But he thought of the term "turkishness" as the "citizen of the republic, valuing the morals and the values of the turkish society, someone who holds a turkish passport etc. It has nothing to do with race". According to his description I qualify as a turk just as much as an anatolian turk or a central asian turk.
As for your original question, I personally believe his father was in fact an albanian.
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Post by punisher on Nov 5, 2011 5:10:38 GMT -5
anittas, this is a rather sensitive subject. He was born in Thessaloniki. It is usually agreed by the historians that his father was albanian/of albanian origin. I believe his mother was a yörük türkmen. Before this starts another "turks are a redheaded blue eyed race" debate all I wanna say is that Atatürk was Turkish but not in the way most people perceive turkishness. It is of no doubt that he is racially not turkish. But he thought of the term "turkishness" as the "citizen of the republic, valuing the morals and the values of the turkish society, someone who holds a turkish passport etc. It has nothing to do with race". According to his description I qualify as a turk just as much as an anatolian turk or a central asian turk. As for your original question, I personally believe his father was in fact an albanian. very nice said,derk +1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 19:58:17 GMT -5
A very interesting post indeed. Much can be talked about on this subject. But in the days of Ataturk's birth, the language spoken was the major determination of ethnic background.
Major discussions about his birthday, also.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 6, 2011 21:03:03 GMT -5
He was half Albanian, half Macedonian-Muslim.
Quote: The Father of All the Turks (who left no legitimate heirs) was born in 1881 in Salonika, then part of the Ottoman Empire, of a mild Albanian father and a forceful Macedonian mother. Mustafa was a rebel from the start. His pious Mohammedan mother urged him to become a holy man, but he became a soldier; at 22, a captain, he rebelled against the Sultan and was nearly executed; at 27, he joined the Young Turks rebellion, then rebelled against the Young Turks. The army, fearful of him, shunted him from post to post, but could neither shake him nor subdue him. At Gallipoli, in 1915, he defeated the British; in the Caucasus, he checked the Russians; in Berlin, 1918, he drunkenly needled the high panjandrum of his allies, Field Marshal von Hindenburg; in Arabia, 1918, he held off T. E. Lawrence's Bedouin hordes. At 38, he came out of the crash of the Ottoman Empire the only Turkish commander untouched by defeat.
Source: Time Magazine, Monday, Oct. 12, 1953.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 6, 2011 21:50:00 GMT -5
Are Macedonian Muslims considered a separate ethnic group to Macedonians?
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Post by Sokol on Nov 6, 2011 21:54:35 GMT -5
Are Macedonian Muslims considered a separate ethnic group to Macedonians? No, they are Macedonians, of Islamic faith. In Kosovo however, they are referred to as Gorani, and in Macedonia sometimes as Torbeshi.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 6, 2011 22:51:58 GMT -5
Gorani? I hear Serbs claim they're theirs.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 6, 2011 23:24:03 GMT -5
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 7, 2011 5:03:35 GMT -5
I don't understand Macedonian
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Post by superalbo on Nov 19, 2011 8:31:13 GMT -5
If you understand Bulgarian, you will understand FYROM language.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 19, 2011 14:26:13 GMT -5
Atatturk was a Yoruk by his father they are partly Greek partly Bulgarian they are Thracians to be exact because he was born in the Northern part of Greece he is Alpine, his mother was Illyrian so I believe that is to do with a Albanians. They call them ethnic Macedonians or former Yugoslavs
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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 19, 2011 14:28:55 GMT -5
I don't understand Macedonian The place that was called FYROM and only one Turkic ethnic groups come from Thrace and those are Yoruks They usually have very blonde hair and blue eyes the blue eyed gene is meant to have started around the black/caspian sea anyway so his phenotype ( like mine ) fts his racial ancestry The Yorouks, also Yuruks (Greek: Γιουρούκοι, Bulgarian: юруци, Macedonian: Јуруци, Turkish: Yörük) are immigrants, ultimately of Thracian descent, some of whom are still nomadic, primarily inhabiting the mountains of Anatolia and partly Balkan peninsula.[1] Their name derives from the Turkish verb yürü- (yürümek in infinitive), which means "to walk", with the word yorouk or Yuruk designating "those who walk, walkers".[2]
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