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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 28, 2011 19:48:37 GMT -5
^I actually like that party. Just as a voice to put pressure on Berisha or whoever else is in power but to actually run the country......we don't want to be the new serbia of the balkans.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 28, 2011 19:48:42 GMT -5
Bulgaria needs to make some noise here.. things won't change otherwise. here we go again a common shiptar-tartar border in struga...you guys never learn. i guess another war is needed to put you back in you places for another 50 years...bulgars again aligning with shiptars tsk tsk tsk...
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 19:51:49 GMT -5
^ it wasn't that long ago you alligned with Ustasa just to go against the Serbs.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 28, 2011 20:00:45 GMT -5
^There must be a reason for that.
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 20:03:18 GMT -5
don't tell me you support usatasa ... ( i know you didn't say it, but by that simple/short response, one can only assume.)
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 28, 2011 20:08:06 GMT -5
^Thats not what I was implying. But it is funny how many times other balkan nations have teamed up against serbia. Albanians with Croatia in 91. Im going to leave WWII alone because there is a large gray area there.
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 20:30:19 GMT -5
^Thats not what I was implying. But it is funny how many times other balkan nations have teamed up against serbia. Albanians with Croatia in 91. Im going to leave WWII alone because there is a large gray area there. Who would be surprised that Albanian mercenaries would join the Croats? Many German and Austrian Neo-Nazi memebers (in their country) were also documented for joining the Croats. Whose really surprised about that too? Many Greek mercenaries joined the Serbs during those wars, and the Greek secret service systematically sabotaged NATO operations, this was made public. It goes without saying that many Russians joined the Serb too. Ukrainians, Romanians, Armenians, Bulgarians as well were documented for joining the Serbs. If the war was really about "exterminating" muslims, then how come many mercenaries from Islamic African countries joined the Serbs, and this is not including Libya. This forum is a really bad example of neighbourly alliances. I still can't grasp the beef between some Serbs and some Bulgarians. As far as I'm concerned Bulgarians are cool and have much in common with us Serbs. And annitas is not a good example of a Romanian. I have yet to meet a Romanian who isn't a Serb supporter. And Romanians tend to be Serbias most supportive people (other than the Slavs).
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Post by Sokol on Nov 28, 2011 20:55:59 GMT -5
^ it wasn't that long ago you alligned with Ustasa just to go against the Serbs. and serbs have allied with greeks to divide macedonia between them....
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 21:06:23 GMT -5
^ it wasn't that long ago you alligned with Ustasa just to go against the Serbs. and serbs have allied with greeks to divide macedonia between them.... As far as I'm concerned the Macedonians in FYROM are our kin. and bro, you personally bragged about the mac and ustasa alliance. This is a bold thing to be proud of mate. Don't try justifying that. Most Macedonians would slap you for that.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 28, 2011 21:13:54 GMT -5
that was in response to provocations from the likes of novi, krivo, pyro & co.
our alliance with the ustasha was at a time when croats and macedonians were facing extinction because of greater-serb fascism. let's not play innocent here.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 28, 2011 21:17:32 GMT -5
^I have to agree with Alex. It was serbian expansionist ideologies that led to these partnerships.
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 21:29:22 GMT -5
that was in response to provocations from the likes of novi, krivo, pyro & co. our alliance with the ustasha was at a time when croats and macedonians were facing extinction because of greater-serb fascism. let's not play innocent here. lol @ greater-Serb fascism. You took pride in joiing the Croatian Fascist movement, and you're only defense is; that was a response to Pyros and Novi. How do you allow others' to dictate/control what beleifs you should have? I know many Macedonians in Toronto who would flip if they heard their own speaking like that.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 28, 2011 21:32:28 GMT -5
^Everybody reacts different to different people. I try to have more respect towards the serbs as a whole when discussing with you than with krivo or novus.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 28, 2011 21:35:23 GMT -5
that was in response to provocations from the likes of novi, krivo, pyro & co. our alliance with the ustasha was at a time when croats and macedonians were facing extinction because of greater-serb fascism. let's not play innocent here. lol @ greater-Serb fascism. You took pride in joiing the Croatian Fascist movement, and you're only defense is; that was a response to Pyros and Novi. How do you allow others' to dictate/control what beleifs you should have? I know many Macedonians in Toronto who would flip if they heard their own speaking like that. Croat and Macedonian communists have also allied in the past for the same reason as the Ustasha-VMRO co-operation..
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Nov 28, 2011 21:35:57 GMT -5
^Thats not what I was implying. But it is funny how many times other balkan nations have teamed up against serbia. Albanians with Croatia in 91. Im going to leave WWII alone because there is a large gray area there. Just to be clear the "Albanian nation" as in Albania didn't ally with Croatia or even against Serbia. A few Kosovars joined our ranks , some to positions of importance, but there was no Albanian army helping out the Croatian militia. Also Croatia didn't go to war against Serbia. Croatia never sent one soul into Serbia that was armed ready to take Serbian land. Rather , Croatia fought within its own borders against a violent minority. It's why we Croats call it the 'homeland war' since it was fought in our own country as we didn't invade another or sent troops into places like Serbia to terrorize their civilians.
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 21:36:44 GMT -5
Are you still defending the actions of those rats who joined Ustasa?
Keep it real bro.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 28, 2011 21:41:36 GMT -5
Are you still defending the actions of those rats who joined Ustasa? Keep it real bro. Chernozemski is considered a national hero in Macedonia. We even have songs about him. Ask your Macedonian friends about the song 'Kralot Aleksandar', which is about 's assisination of the Serbian king Alexander in Marsaille...
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 21:43:19 GMT -5
Isn't he Bulgarian? lol
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Post by uz on Nov 28, 2011 21:47:35 GMT -5
plus all the Macedonians I know accept their Slavic identiy 100%, and don't try bragging about Ancient Macedon.
I am still confused about you. You go all over the place, I guess it depends what others' say right?
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 28, 2011 21:47:59 GMT -5
^Thats not what I was implying. But it is funny how many times other balkan nations have teamed up against serbia. Albanians with Croatia in 91. Im going to leave WWII alone because there is a large gray area there. Just to be clear the "Albanian nation" as in Albania didn't ally with Croatia or even against Serbia. A few Kosovars joined our ranks , some to positions of importance, but there was no Albanian army helping out the Croatian militia. Also Croatia didn't go to war against Serbia. Croatia never sent one soul into Serbia that was armed ready to take Serbian land. Rather , Croatia fought within its own borders against a violent minority. It's why we Croats call it the 'homeland war' since it was fought in our own country as we didn't invade another or sent troops into places like Serbia to terrorize their civilians.
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