Bozur
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Post by Bozur on Dec 16, 2011 15:40:43 GMT -5
January 25, 2009 Magyars and Madjars American Journal of Physical Anthropology doi:10.1002/ajpa.20984
A Y-chromosomal comparison of the Madjars (Kazakhstan) and the Magyars (Hungary)
A.Z. Bíró et al.
Abstract
The Madjars are a previously unstudied population from Kazakhstan who practice a form of local exogamy in which wives are brought in from neighboring tribes, but husbands are not, so the paternal lineages remain genetically isolated within the population. Their name bears a striking resemblance to the Magyars who have inhabited Hungary for over a millennium, but whose previous history is poorly understood. We have now carried out a genetic analysis of the population structure and relationships of the Madjars, and in particular have sought to test whether or not they show a genetic link with the Magyars. We concentrated on paternal lineages because of their isolation within the Madjars and sampled males representing all extant male lineages unrelated for more than eight generations (n = 45) in the Torgay area of Kazakhstan. The Madjars show evidence of extensive genetic drift, with 24/45 carrying the same 12-STR haplotype within haplogroup G. Genetic distances based on haplogroup frequencies were used to compare the Madjars with 37 other populations and showed that they were closest to the Hungarian population rather than their geographical neighbors. Although this finding could result from chance, it is striking and suggests that there could have been genetic contact between the ancestors of the Madjars and Magyars, and thus that modern Hungarians may trace their ancestry to Central Asia, instead of the Eastern Uralic region as previously thought. dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/01/magyars-and-madjars.htmlonlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20984/abstract
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Post by oszkarthehun on Dec 20, 2011 4:29:57 GMT -5
January 25, 2009 Magyars and Madjars American Journal of Physical Anthropology doi:10.1002/ajpa.20984
A Y-chromosomal comparison of the Madjars (Kazakhstan) and the Magyars (Hungary)
A.Z. Bíró et al.
Abstract
The Madjars are a previously unstudied population from Kazakhstan who practice a form of local exogamy in which wives are brought in from neighboring tribes, but husbands are not, so the paternal lineages remain genetically isolated within the population. Their name bears a striking resemblance to the Magyars who have inhabited Hungary for over a millennium, but whose previous history is poorly understood. We have now carried out a genetic analysis of the population structure and relationships of the Madjars, and in particular have sought to test whether or not they show a genetic link with the Magyars. We concentrated on paternal lineages because of their isolation within the Madjars and sampled males representing all extant male lineages unrelated for more than eight generations (n = 45) in the Torgay area of Kazakhstan. The Madjars show evidence of extensive genetic drift, with 24/45 carrying the same 12-STR haplotype within haplogroup G. Genetic distances based on haplogroup frequencies were used to compare the Madjars with 37 other populations and showed that they were closest to the Hungarian population rather than their geographical neighbors. Although this finding could result from chance, it is striking and suggests that there could have been genetic contact between the ancestors of the Madjars and Magyars, and thus that modern Hungarians may trace their ancestry to Central Asia, instead of the Eastern Uralic region as previously thought. dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/01/magyars-and-madjars.htmlonlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20984/abstractInteresting article Bozur , but I couldn't find too many other scientific based studies that support this outside of the the source you presented also I couldnt even find much information about these "madjars" of Khazakstan, outside of this article, there is no mention of them even on wikipedia. In my opinion modern Hungarians are a mixed people and even the Hungarians that arrived in Europe in the 9th century or earlier were probably already mixed. It is written for instance that there was a Magyar - Khazar alliance at one time and there was also a number of Khazar tribes that later defected and alligned themselves with the Hungarians and became part of the founding tribes that entered the Carpathian Basin. I wonder if possibly some Magyars stayed amongst the Khazars and somehow their namesake ended up in Khazakstan , but at this stage Im a little cynical even about this supposed Madjar tribe in Kazakstan as I have seen little to no information about them other than whats presented by it seems very few and limited sources. I dont doubt at all that there were elements of eastern peoples that assimilated into the Hungarian ethnogenesis (btw the most dominant single element in modern day Hungarians is NeoDanubian at 35%) but I also get the impression that there are some radical Turanists out there that either over exaggerate or only recognise Turanistic traits so as to prescribe a certain Turanic identity to an overall nation.
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