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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 13, 2012 16:34:53 GMT -5
Serbia already has legal authority to invade and occupy Croatia and Albania because they "recognised" the occupied area of Serbia as independent. Serbia can obviously take back the occupied area since the authorities there have violated the treaty numerous times. The problem is Montenegro and Bosnia/Herzegovina. I was thinking of using the ICC ruling that Serbia "failed to prevent genocide" as a de facto casus belli for any future conflicts there. Montenegrins can easily be bribed, with enough cigarette packs.
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Post by uz on Jan 13, 2012 16:38:58 GMT -5
You raise a good point, I am sure if the proper investigation was to be done evidence of genocide against Serbs during the Kosovo war would arise and it would be proven to be unavoidable in the court system, especially since many people in authoritative positions would come forward with information, just right now is not a good time for them. This would give Serbian authorities the legal obligation to enter, and protect their people/borders. Serbia needs to help itself before others' come in to back Serbia up.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 13, 2012 16:48:05 GMT -5
You raise a good point, I am sure if the proper investigation was to be done evidence of genocide against Serbs during the Kosovo war would arise and it would be proven to be unavoidable in the court system, especially since many people in authoritative positions would come forward with information, just right now is not a good time for them. This would give Serbian authorities the legal obligation to enter, and protect their people/borders. Serbia needs to help itself before others' come in to back Serbia up. Hm. I've crunched some numbers. Serbs can conquer all of former Yugoslavia (including UN/NATO/EU) but it needs to have around half a million soldiers at the ready, the element of surprise and be ready for a drawn out war. Those half a million soldiers must include at least fifty thousand professional soldiers, mostly snipers, while the rest can be (and should be) barely trained RPG gunners.
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Post by uz on Jan 13, 2012 16:49:39 GMT -5
Why do you want another Yugo-war? The chance for further border-changes has already passed. If you're talking about Krajna and RS, this is totally up to them not Serbia/Belgrade.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 13, 2012 17:27:41 GMT -5
Only if the supreme commandant is only Pyrros it WILL WORK
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 13, 2012 19:44:25 GMT -5
No one in the Balkans has legal authority to invade anyone, except Serbia invading Kosovo.
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Post by uz on Jan 13, 2012 19:44:59 GMT -5
Exactly ^ +1
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 13, 2012 23:38:07 GMT -5
Why do you want another Yugo-war? The chance for further border-changes has already passed. If you're talking about Krajna and RS, this is totally up to them not Serbia/Belgrade. Such defeatist/isolationist/appeasement talk belongs in the Milosevic era.
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Post by punisher on Jan 14, 2012 6:20:09 GMT -5
No one in the Balkans has legal authority to invade anyone, except Serbia invading Kosovo. who are you to talk about the faith of my country,and why did you people want to be independent from britain atleast you were/are the same people,we don't have nothing incommon with the serbs.next time think before you write and try to place yourself in the place of the kosovalbs in the time of the war and think how you would feel if you continued to live under such a foreign criminal goverment
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 14, 2012 6:35:38 GMT -5
who are you to talk about the faith of my country,and why did you people want to be independent from britain atleast you were/are the same people,we don't have nothing incommon with the serbs.next time think before you write and try to place yourself in the place of the kosovalbs in the time of the war and think how you would feel if you continued to live under such a foreign criminal goverment Serbia left Kosovo under US occupation with the intention of the US giving it back to Serbia after it was stabilised. Then out of nowhere, Kosovo declares independence without Serbia's consent (Great Britain gave Australia it's consent before Australia declared it's independence. Australia's independence was organised before it actually declared independence). If I was a Serb, I would be really pissed off at the US, but I'm not a Serb (and actually like the US).
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 14, 2012 6:38:24 GMT -5
Also, I understand the oppression Albanians experienced under Milosevic's rule, but that's no reason to take a part of the Serbian nation away from the Serbs. Why not have a civil rights movement? Why not join Optor in bringing down Milosevic. All this has done is destroy the relationship between Albanians and Serbs.
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Post by punisher on Jan 14, 2012 6:44:12 GMT -5
Also, I understand the oppression Albanians experienced under Milosevic's rule, but that's no reason to take a part of the Serbian nation away from the Serbs. Why not have a civil rights movement? Why not join Optor in bringing down Milosevic. All this has done is destroy the relationship between Albanians and Serbs. kosova shouldn't have been part of yugoslavia atall,if i'm not mistaking a serbian politician once said about kosova that the serbs were entering foreign land and moe even when milosevic is gone,do you really expect that serbs are going to treat us like equals,the albs who still are in serbia(preseva valley) are discriminated all the time by the police and goverment institutions.don't forget serbia isn't like australia where the people are nice,serbs are harsh and cruel towards non serbs who they dislike and especially albanians
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 14, 2012 6:52:19 GMT -5
kosova shouldn't have been part of yugoslavia atall,if i'm not mistaking a serbian politician once said about kosova that the serbs were entering foreign land and moe even when milosevic is gone,do you really expect that serbs are going to treat us like equals,the albs who still are in serbia(preseva valley) are discriminated all the time by the police and goverment institutions.don't forget serbia isn't like australia where the people are nice,serbs are harsh and cruel towards non serbs who they dislike and especially albanians Why shouldn't have been part of Yugoslavia? And the reason for the discrimination is the whole Kosovo thing, it the reason why the Bajrakli mosque was set on fire. And also because of the Presevo Valley insurgency. It's not right to say Serbs are all evil, out to destroy Albania and the Albanians. Have you ever encountered a Serb that has a good opinion on Albanians? There are many. But saying stuff like "Serbs are harsh and cruel" is as truthful as saying "Albanians are criminals and scum".
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Post by Anittas on Jan 14, 2012 6:55:32 GMT -5
It don't matter if you have a Casus Belli if you don't have power.
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Post by punisher on Jan 14, 2012 7:10:36 GMT -5
kosova shouldn't have been part of yugoslavia atall,if i'm not mistaking a serbian politician once said about kosova that the serbs were entering foreign land and moe even when milosevic is gone,do you really expect that serbs are going to treat us like equals,the albs who still are in serbia(preseva valley) are discriminated all the time by the police and goverment institutions.don't forget serbia isn't like australia where the people are nice,serbs are harsh and cruel towards non serbs who they dislike and especially albanians Why shouldn't have been part of Yugoslavia? And the reason for the discrimination is the whole Kosovo thing, it the reason why the Bajrakli mosque was set on fire. And also because of the Presevo Valley insurgency. It's not right to say Serbs are all evil, out to destroy Albania and the Albanians. Have you ever encountered a Serb that has a good opinion on Albanians? There are many. But saying stuff like "Serbs are harsh and cruel" is as truthful as saying "Albanians are criminals and scum". if you ask me and the rest of my countrymate,we all would say we don't want to live under serbian goverment,because are wounds are still fresh and just yesterday a couple of kids got wounded bcs of a mine placed by serbian forces in kosova.dude you really can't speak about the faith of kosova without having witnessed all the pain and violence and lose family members and for what,nothing but serbian greed.
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 14, 2012 7:32:14 GMT -5
if you ask me and the rest of my countrymate,we all would say we don't want to live under serbian goverment,because are wounds are still fresh and just yesterday a couple of kids got wounded bcs of a mine placed by serbian forces in kosova.dude you really can't speak about the faith of kosova without having witnessed all the pain and violence and lose family members and for what,nothing but serbian greed. I just don't understand it. Why would a bunch of Albanians move to Kosovo, then when they don't like the government, they rip that part out of the country, instead of just moving back to Albania? It's like if a bunch of Greeks moved to Northern Epirus, then 50 years later they decided they didn't want to live under the Albanian government. So instead of just moving back to Greece, they decide to declare North Epirus independent and separate form Albania.
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 14, 2012 7:52:44 GMT -5
The Slavs that settled into the Balkans mixed with Illyrians, so their descendants (modern-day South Slavs) are now also indigenous to the Balkans.
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Post by punisher on Jan 14, 2012 9:16:54 GMT -5
if you ask me and the rest of my countrymate,we all would say we don't want to live under serbian goverment,because are wounds are still fresh and just yesterday a couple of kids got wounded bcs of a mine placed by serbian forces in kosova.dude you really can't speak about the faith of kosova without having witnessed all the pain and violence and lose family members and for what,nothing but serbian greed. I just don't understand it. Why would a bunch of Albanians move to Kosovo, then when they don't like the government, they rip that part out of the country, instead of just moving back to Albania? It's like if a bunch of Greeks moved to Northern Epirus, then 50 years later they decided they didn't want to live under the Albanian government. So instead of just moving back to Greece, they decide to declare North Epirus independent and separate form Albania. moe,don't tell me you believe that serbian propaganda that we kosovalbs moved from albania to kosova LOL we were always in kosova,if you don't want to believe these then i'm done talking to you. and ps there isn't any source in the world that supports your statement except serbian propaganda
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Post by punisher on Jan 14, 2012 9:21:59 GMT -5
The Slavs that settled into the Balkans mixed with Illyrians, so their descendants (modern-day South Slavs) are now also indigenous to the Balkans. and we didn't mix with illyrians bcs we're the illyrians but seriously you have to hang out also with other people from balkan bcs i'm seeing that your serbian friends are filling your head with propaganda
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 14, 2012 9:28:03 GMT -5
moe,don't tell me you believe that serbian propaganda that we kosovalbs moved from albania to kosova LOL we were always in kosova,if you don't want to believe these then i'm done talking to you. and ps there isn't any source in the world that supports your statement except serbian propaganda It doesn't matter who was first, Kosovo was under Serbian administration, then a bunch of people decided to separate Kosovo from Serbia. That's not right. My analogy stands, how would you feel about my analogy being true? There is evidence that says Greeks inhabited North Epirus for hundreds of years, should Albania give back "their" land?
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