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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 5, 2012 5:03:57 GMT -5
www.emg.rs/en/news/region/173871.htmlBiH will break up into constituent parts, Dodik02. February 2012. | 00:19 Source: Tanjug Republika Srpska (RS) President Milorad Dodik said Wednesday that Bosnia-Herzegovina (BiH) would break up into its constituent parts some day. Taking part in a head-to-head with Liberal Democratic Party leader Cedomir Jovanovic at the Tanjug press club, Dodik said BiH would certainly break apart some day, in the same way as Czechoslovakia. The RS president also said the Serbian government is not engaged enough in implementing the Dayton Agreement, of which it is a signatory. Dodik said Belgrade has good relations with RS, but also has a responsibility because it signed the Dayton Agreement. "I think it is not involved enough in implementing the Dayton Agreement. As long as the agreement exists, Serbia has an obligation to defend it," Dodik said, pointing out he considers Belgrade's efforts to date minimal and insufficient. The RS president told Jovanovic that not even former member of the BiH Presidency Haris Silajdzic, who was in favor of abolishing RS, called it a genocidal formation, as some in Belgrade are doing. "Haris Silajdzic, who called for the abolishment of RS, was not brave enough to call it a genocidal formation, rather he spoke of crime, and you speak of genocide here in Belgrade," Dodik said. The RS president also said Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia are very influential in BiH and their goal is to make a unified BiH. "The influence of these countries is divided in BiH and it is aimed at making a unified BiH, with one president and government," Dodik said. He said this scenario is impossible and that the current state of affairs could be maintained until BiH is dissolved. Asked if BiH could break up into two countries, Dodik said it is possible and that looking at where things are headed today "it will dissolve one day." "BiH has never lived as a state - if it ever was one, that was before the Ottoman Empire, and later it survived within Austria-Hungary, two Yugoslavias...," Dodik said.
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 5:46:09 GMT -5
Bosnia will eventually cease to exist temporarily, but I doubt it'll be in Dodik's, or even his children's, life time.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 5, 2012 6:00:39 GMT -5
What do you mean temporarily?
Why do you put forward those time periods?
The whole scenario of a separation is quite interesting. Republika Srpska, the name it self is very interesting since it carries such a strong ethnic connotation. When we gain our independence will we call our country simply Republika Srpska? Imagine a sporting c ontest where we have the Serbian Republic versus Serbia lol. Perhaps we should call it Republika Srpska Bosnia. Serbian Republic of Bosnia. I think that may be the way to go actually since the history of Bosnia is inextricably tied with Serbs we should not allow the name Bosnia to be monopolized by the Muslims after our independence. Should we then join with Serbia then we could even revert to Bosnia as a state name... I don't know.
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 6:07:27 GMT -5
Who knows how long humans will live on this planet for. What I'm saying is, eventually some country will invade Bosnia (and probably the surrounding countries). Then, after years of living under foreign rule, people would want to be independent again. Kinda like with the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires; after hundreds of years of foreign rule, the different nations within the empires sought autonomy.
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 6:09:56 GMT -5
Serbian Republic of Bosnia. I think that may be the way to go actually since the history of Bosnia is inextricably tied with Serbs we should not allow the name Bosnia to be monopolized by the Muslims after our independence. Should we then join with Serbia then we could even revert to Bosnia as a state name... I don't know. Bosnia is a nation of 3 constituent peoples. Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks (in Bosnia) all have the right to claim Bosnian history, but not all for themselves. Croats weren't the only contributors to Bosnian history, and neither were the Serbs and Bosniaks solely.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 5, 2012 6:43:02 GMT -5
Bosnia is a nation of 3 constituent peoples. Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks (in Bosnia) all have the right to claim Bosnian history, but not all for themselves. Croats weren't the only contributors to Bosnian history, and neither were the Serbs and Bosniaks solely. Well todays "Bosniaks" are really a desecration to the historical Bosnian name through their Islamic faith and support of Turkey. Despite their ethnic name sounding so similar to the name Bosnia they deserve the least claim to any historical Bosnian legacy.
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 7:04:27 GMT -5
Well todays "Bosniaks" are really a desecration to the historical Bosnian name through their Islamic faith and support of Turkey. Despite their ethnic name sounding so similar to the name Bosnia they deserve the least claim to any historical Bosnian legacy. Why is that? Most Bosniaks are the descendants of the medieval population of Bosnia.
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Post by mystery on Feb 5, 2012 8:32:13 GMT -5
Well todays "Bosniaks" are really a desecration to the historical Bosnian name through their Islamic faith and support of Turkey. Despite their ethnic name sounding so similar to the name Bosnia they deserve the least claim to any historical Bosnian legacy. Why is that? Most Bosniaks are the descendants of the medieval population of Bosnia. Not really the Bosnian muslims are just a bunch of muslim slavs/serbs..
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Post by srbobran on Feb 5, 2012 11:58:30 GMT -5
Dodik is a liar and a scumbag, he supported the Ahtissari plan for fucks sake. He promised a referendum numerous times and every time he gives us some shoddy excuse as why he backed down. I wish the citizens of RS would get their heads out of their asses and realize that the current politicians there LIKE the status quo. As long as they maintain an image as if they are trying to secede from BiH, they will stay in power.
As for the whole Bosniaks thing, they are a legitimate ethnic group. Whether they were Serbs or not is completely irrelevant, they choose to identify themselves as Bosniaks today and no amount of force will make them change. Rather than convincing them of their origins, we should try to make allies out of them, not alienate them further.
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Post by uz on Feb 5, 2012 14:32:48 GMT -5
NOVI SAD -- Former Croat President Stjepan Mesiæ has assessed that the Dayton Accords needs to be changed so Bosnia-Herzegovina could become a functional state.“The way that it is, Bosnia-Herzegovina is simply dysfunctional and it will stay that way as long as it is structured in accordance with the Dayton Accords and until we stop treating the agreement as a ‘holy cow’,” he wrote in an article published in Novi Sad-based daily Dnevnik. - “The Dayton Accords was the only and life-saving solution when it was reached but today it is a burden that the entire Bosnia-Herzegovina is struggling under,” Mesiæ pointed out. - www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=05&nav_id=78633
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 20:32:01 GMT -5
Not really the Bosnian muslims are just a bunch of muslim slavs/serbs.. Slavic Muslims? Yes. Muslim Serbs? Eh, that's up for debate. I don't understand why Serbs try to take over the Bosniak ethnicity? Why not be friends with your Slavic brothers?
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Post by uz on Feb 5, 2012 20:43:28 GMT -5
What do you think Bosniaks called themselves prior to the 15th Century?
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Post by uz on Feb 5, 2012 20:51:29 GMT -5
to answer the second part of your question... Because they piss us off and don't want friendly relations with their Slavic brother (the politics). Check out this www.bosniak.org/ and you tell me if they want to be friends.
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 22:16:44 GMT -5
I could say the same for this. Half of it is dedicated to attacking Croatians and Bosnians.
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 22:19:00 GMT -5
What do you think Bosniaks called themselves prior to the 15th Century? Not sure, from what I've heard, it was "Bosnjani"(?).
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Post by uz on Feb 5, 2012 22:26:42 GMT -5
What do you think Bosniaks called themselves prior to the 15th Century? Not sure, from what I've heard, it was "Bosnjani"(?). The records of the term date to the 12th century in the Medieval Bosnian kingdom. Bosnia was originally a part of the early Medieval Serbian realm, but as of the 12th century, it goes on its own path as an independent Medieval realm. It is hypothesized that the presence of the Serb ethnonym is a remainder of prior Serb rule, whereas as the time passes, it is no longer present in the Late Middle Ages and solely the term Bosnjani (boshnjani) emerges, implying the ethnogenesis of a new South Slavic tribe, whose ethnic development is obviously significantly formed by the heretic Bosnian Church. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1njanilater the ottomans came and replaced that term with; Bosniak (boshniak).
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Post by Moe Lester on Feb 5, 2012 23:16:21 GMT -5
Ottomans? I think if the Ottomans changed it, it would be more like "Boshniavulu" or something like that, "Boshniak" doesn't sound Turkic.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Feb 8, 2012 9:35:47 GMT -5
What do you think Bosniaks called themselves prior to the 15th Century? They called themselves BosniaNS.
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Post by bowandarrow on Feb 8, 2012 9:55:44 GMT -5
Not sure, from what I've heard, it was "Bosnjani"(?). The records of the term date to the 12th century in the Medieval Bosnian kingdom. Bosnia was originally a part of the early Medieval Serbian realm, but as of the 12th century, it goes on its own path as an independent Medieval realm. It is hypothesized that the presence of the Serb ethnonym is a remainder of prior Serb rule, whereas as the time passes, it is no longer present in the Late Middle Ages and solely the term Bosnjani (boshnjani) emerges, implying the ethnogenesis of a new South Slavic tribe, whose ethnic development is obviously significantly formed by the heretic Bosnian Church. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1njanilater the ottomans came and replaced that term with; Bosniak (boshniak). Yeah I believe that, didn't the Ottomans make Bosnians Muslims? They're mostly Sunnis.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 14, 2012 15:10:23 GMT -5
bosniak was a turkish term referring to all inhabitants of the region of bosnia! (whether orthodox, muslim, catholic, gypsy) the "bosnjani" was some informal barely-used term during the short-lived bosnian kingdom referring to the citizens of the aforementioned realm. anyway, i can't wait for this:
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