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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 17:07:43 GMT -5
To prove my love to the Albanian race, I've decided to start one of the coolest threads made on the subject of Skanderbeg, on Illyria. Here's something I bet none of you knew. In Romanian, "skanderbeg" (alternative: skandenberg) means to armwrestle; and the word is derived from the historical character of Skanderbeg. Source 1: dexonline.ro/definitie/skanderbegSource 2: www.romlit.ro/skandenberg_/_skanderbegIt should be noted that the word is a neologism which, according to the speculation the second source, was probably introduced after WW2. The second source mentions a German WW2 contigent named SS Skanderbeg and in the 80s, in Romania, there was a popular Albanian brandy called Skanderbeg. Both of these things may have helped making the word more popular. If we turn to history, as you all know, Skanderbeg was initially in the service of the Porte, before he renounced Islam and converted to Catholicism. With this I want to bring to your attention, in case some of you have forgotten, what Skanderbeg thought of Albanians who converted to Islam. And what better example than not to mention the incident he had with his nephew? Source: Mehmed the Conqueror and His Time. Babinger, Franz. ISBN 0-691-01078-1 page 261; The Ottomans on the Adriatic I will leave the interpretation to you, although it is no secret what Skanderbeg, the great Albanian Hero, wanted his people to be. So as you see, I have manifested by love for the Albanian race on many ocassions; and I have paid homage to your national hero accordingly. This is in contrast to what some of you have said of a certain leader dear to my heart. I won't mention the aggressor's name, because I don't want conflict; but needless to say, he is a Kosovarë.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 20, 2012 18:18:05 GMT -5
look, events that transpired then happened under a set of circumstances which we can not recreate or re-enact at this day and age, i don't understand this practise of extracting selective elements, episodes or attributes from a distant past and applying them to the present or to define our outgoing path, we are traversing through 5 centuries worth of tangled up history as if it was a fortnight and taking snapshots and drawing conclusions, look that was then this is now, scanderbeg was then and albanians are now, islam does not define albanians, we do not practise sharia law and we don't overtly accentuate our islamism, in fact we have the mildest form of islam on the face of the earth, we look at the west as our milestone and not the middle-east.
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Post by punisher on Feb 20, 2012 18:27:32 GMT -5
anitas you're still hating the legendary kosovalbanians
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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 18:28:32 GMT -5
ATD, you're a Christian Albanian. Of course you don't practice Sharia! The vast majority of Muslim Albanians don't follow Sharia, either, I'm sure. I was just saying that it seems to me that the national Hero of Albania wanted his people not to be Muslim. He was once Muslim himself, but then converted back to Christianity. It seems that he wanted Albanians to follow his example.
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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 18:30:46 GMT -5
anitas you're still hating the legendary kosovalbanians This thread is not about hate. It is about my admiration for Skanderbeg. He was an excellent general who fought for his dear people, the Albanians.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2012 18:32:11 GMT -5
rathedar is a serbian orthodox christian, as was Skanderbeg's family.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2012 18:32:43 GMT -5
Skanderbeg sought the Serbian Crown of Czar Dushan
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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 18:34:08 GMT -5
Skanderbeg was Albanian, not Serb. Let's play it fair.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 20, 2012 18:34:40 GMT -5
rathedar is a serbian orthodox christian, as was Skanderbeg's family. kurvo where have you been? i'm glad you're here because we need a female perspective on these matter
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2012 18:37:10 GMT -5
skanderbeg's father, Jovan, was buried in a Serb Orthodox church in Mount Athos. Skanderbeg's brother was a Serb Orthodox priest, also buried in Mount Athos.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 20, 2012 18:42:07 GMT -5
ATD, you're a Christian Albanian. Of course you don't practice Sharia! The vast majority of Muslim Albanians don't follow Sharia, either, I'm sure. I was just saying that it seems to me that the national Hero of Albania wanted his people not to be Muslim. He was once Muslim himself, but then converted back to Christianity. It seems that he wanted Albanians to follow his example. people have treated religion as a means to survive and profit and for motives beyond or that had nothing to do with it's inherent inten for centuries, i'm sure at that time religion played a major role in forging an identity and inspiring resistance but times have changed and today the landscape is much different, religion is pretty much a choice, so when you apply the scanderbeg logic to the present then we are bordering on the absurd, i don't know that we albs waste much time thinking about religious pertinance, its a moot point really.
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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 18:43:00 GMT -5
So what? Much of the royalty was related to each other. It's not like he was half Serb. Then you could've said that he was half Serb. You can say that he had some Serbian roots (if it's true), but not that he was Serb. That's too much.
And actually, your statements only point out that some of his relatives were affiliated with the Serb Orthodox Church, not that they were Serb.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 20, 2012 18:46:31 GMT -5
his statement is entirely inaccurate and a complete shambles, just like his botched breast implant surgery
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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 18:49:23 GMT -5
ATD, you're a Christian Albanian. Of course you don't practice Sharia! The vast majority of Muslim Albanians don't follow Sharia, either, I'm sure. I was just saying that it seems to me that the national Hero of Albania wanted his people not to be Muslim. He was once Muslim himself, but then converted back to Christianity. It seems that he wanted Albanians to follow his example. people have treated religion as a means to survive and profit and for motives beyond or that had nothing to do with it's inherent inten for centuries, i'm sure at that time religion played a major role in forging an identity and inspiring resistance but times have changed and today the landscape is much different, religion is pretty much a choice, so when you apply the scanderbeg logic to the present then we are bordering on the absurd, i don't know that we albs waste much time thinking about religious pertinance, its a moot point really. You say this because you're very progressive in your ways. We all know that not everyone reason this way. As for Skanderbeg, he could've profitted more from remaining a Muslim and fighting for the Porte. He had it all and could've have further more, yet he risked his wealth for a cause he believed in. Sure, I'm not expecting everyday Albanian to turn Skanderbeg, but if you use him as a symbol of heroism, maybe you should look deeper into what he stood for. That's all I'm saying. Don't worry, though. He would've been proud of you!
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 20, 2012 18:55:35 GMT -5
i come from a village near the monastery where he was married, in Ardenice, its in quite good condition still, the last time i was there they were restoring the frescos
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Post by uz on Feb 20, 2012 18:55:51 GMT -5
So what? Much of the royalty was related to each other. It's not like he was half Serb. Then you could've said that he was half Serb. You can say that he had some Serbian roots (if it's true), but not that he was Serb. That's too much. And actually, your statements only point out that some of his relatives were affiliated with the Serb Orthodox Church, not that they were Serb. His mother was a Serb princess, his sisters mostly had Slavic names. His brother; Stanisa. I've even read that he only knew how to write Serb and Italian (no not from a Serbian book), and that he carried all his discussion in Serbian.
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Post by Anittas on Feb 20, 2012 19:03:00 GMT -5
The Kastrioti family was an Albanian family and it is my understanding that his loyalty served that of his family and Albania. Now, if he indeed had partial Serb roots, then that can be pointed out, but you can't claim him as Serb.
As I said, in the past, different royal families forged alliances through political marriages. It was the natural discourse of the time.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 20, 2012 19:03:59 GMT -5
his siblings names were mostly byzantine but some had slavic names(not to be confused with serbian), there are different sources that claim she was serbian, i think i am warming up to that idea, i wouldn't dismiss the possibility that she was, they were royalty so that was very common, however, scanderbeg was to all intents and purposes albanian and fought for his people's cause, in the league of lezha only albanian princes were present and scanderbeg was chosen as their leader so that's pretty sufficient evidence.
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Post by uz on Feb 20, 2012 19:05:49 GMT -5
Exactly, I don't claim him as Serb. He is Albania's hero.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2012 19:12:17 GMT -5
So what? Much of the royalty was related to each other. It's not like he was half Serb. Then you could've said that he was half Serb. You can say that he had some Serbian roots (if it's true), but not that he was Serb. That's too much. And actually, your statements only point out that some of his relatives were affiliated with the Serb Orthodox Church, not that they were Serb. He actually was mostly Serbian. His paternal grandfather was Branilo, a duke of the Serbian Empire, and his mother was Vojislava, a Serbian princess. Most of his siblings have slavic names as well.
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