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Mar 22, 2012 1:17:27 GMT -5
Post by Peregrinus on Mar 22, 2012 1:17:27 GMT -5
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rex362
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Mar 22, 2012 18:00:37 GMT -5
Post by rex362 on Mar 22, 2012 18:00:37 GMT -5
Donnie and possibly a few others should be able to help you out on this
be patient ....bcs they don't frequent on a daily basis
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Mar 23, 2012 2:10:54 GMT -5
Post by Peregrinus on Mar 23, 2012 2:10:54 GMT -5
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donnie
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Mar 23, 2012 6:58:24 GMT -5
Post by donnie on Mar 23, 2012 6:58:24 GMT -5
It's very difficult to tell about individual cases, what you probably will have to do is talk to the elderlies of Klezna. But I think we can eliminate some possibilities.
Mirdita is divided into five bairaks, three of which are said to have a common origin, namely Oroshi, Spaçi & Kushnen. These in turn are said to be distantly related to the clans of Shala & Shoshi, with whom they did not intermarry because of blood. They are said to come from Pashtrik originally, from whence they fled from the advancing Turks. The fact that your ancestors intermarried with the Mirditors of Oroshi means they were not of the same origin. This means they were probably anas, or "locals" with no definite tale of where they originally came from.
The other two bairaks are called Fandi and Dibrri, not to be confused with Dibra. They are not blood-related with the three other bairaks but they were adopted by them and were also known as Mirditor. Fandi, originally, is said to have come from Luma, which is the territory around Kukës. A significant part of them moved to Kosova during the 18th and 19th centuries, to the extent that much of the rural Catholic population there is known as "fâns", people from Fandi.
If you're from Selita e Kthelles, then you should know Kthella is a clan of its own and not part of Mirdita,though they always went to war together. Whether they came from the south or whether they are anas I don't know. The only clan I've heard come from the south is Kabashi, and there is a village in the south called Kabash. Otherwise the direction of migration was usually southward, with many families in the territory of Himara having Mirditor origins.
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Mar 23, 2012 7:14:05 GMT -5
Post by Peregrinus on Mar 23, 2012 7:14:05 GMT -5
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donnie
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Mar 23, 2012 8:27:20 GMT -5
Post by donnie on Mar 23, 2012 8:27:20 GMT -5
Well, if you talk with the elderlies of Klezna, they will (I'm confident) definetely know if they are Shkreli. The reason is that the Catholic northerners are very careful when it comes to genealogy, being able to recount their ancestors many generations back and they usually know which clan they are.
The Shkreli clan which is situated in Malësia e Madhe (literally The Great Highlands) in the vicinity of Shkodra, were a group of people primarily occupied with raising livestock. During summers, they lived in the highlands of Shkrel, and during winters they often moved their entire livestock to the lowlands. These winter settlements were called vërri, and were either situated close to Shkreli or sometimes much farther. It is known that some of these highlanders moved as far south as the Lezhë county, right by Mirdita. Others moved close to the Adriatic, west of Lake Shkodra, where I believe Klezna is situated (the territories of Anamal, Shestan, Kraja etc).
Sometimes if there was quarrel a family could leave Shkreli for good. I have heard of families with origins in Kastrati, Shkreli and other clans who fled hundreds of years ago due to feuds and settled distant lands, Lezhë and Mirdita included. Personaly I am Kastrati but I come from Kosova. My guess is that my ancestors left the highlands either to flee trouble or in search for land,since the highlands are very barren lands and farming isn't possible to any great degree.
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Mar 23, 2012 8:30:16 GMT -5
Post by pokeristi on Mar 23, 2012 8:30:16 GMT -5
What a found until now is that Koleci surname is still present amongst people from Shtushan ( close to Selishte and Gjuras village) nothing yet on Kole Koleci.
Ps: check my other replys on your translation thread ..thanks
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Mar 23, 2012 8:50:20 GMT -5
Post by atdhetar on Mar 23, 2012 8:50:20 GMT -5
that entire area is steeped in history
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Mar 23, 2012 9:06:02 GMT -5
Post by Peregrinus on Mar 23, 2012 9:06:02 GMT -5
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