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Post by Nikola on Apr 17, 2012 15:24:28 GMT -5
www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=79817"Albanian army" issues ultimatum to MacedoniaSource: Tanjug April 17, 2012 | 16:38 SKOPJE -- A previously unknown organization calling itself the Army for the Liberation of Occupied Albanian Lands on Tuesday threatened to launch attacks in Macedonia. The group said it would attack what they referred to as "Slavo-Macedonian" army and police unless they retreat from "occupied Albanian lands" within the next two weeks. A statement to this effect was posted on the Albanian-language website Potalb. It further said that this "army" also has its "general staff", which met in Kosovska Mitrovica and decided to issue its ultimatum to the state of Macedonia. The text was published at a time of rising tensions in Macedonia after the murder of five ethnic Macedonian men near Skopje. The investigation into the assassination is still underway and Skopje-based media do not exclude the possibility that the crime was ethnically motivated. The group's statement also claims that rights of ethnic Albanians are "violated on a daily basis in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". The country's prime minister, Nikola Gruevski, is described as being "pro-Serb", and accused of "spreading anti-Albanian ideology and instigating assaults on innocent Albanians", while "Albanian villages are blocked by Macedonian Slavs and nobody among corrupt politicians in Ethnic (Greater) Albania is reacting because they are all traitors to their homeland". The group further threatened "to avenge our brothers", and said this would take the form of "fire against fire, an eye for an eye, an arm for an arm".
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Post by uz on Apr 17, 2012 15:31:56 GMT -5
Now let's be honest with ourselves. Whose surprised about all this? This campaign into Macedonia was long planned and everyone ignored it. After Kosovo, where's the next "logical" spot? Again I will say.... Bondsteele was not built for no-reason. The Macedonian politicians should have stood their ground from the beginning but obviously they were bought out and preferred to focus their attention on their "ancient" past rather than stregthening their countries foundation.
Solution is simple (and we-slavs all know it), unfortunately it seems to have come to a point where one side will be devasted and other will flourish.
"We" fell for the same trick all over again and it seems to be too late to pull back.
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Post by rex362 on Apr 17, 2012 17:52:05 GMT -5
novi you really are a mindless drone, seriously, are you related to uz by any chance? first of all, we don't know if it was albanians that did it, yet you take it as a foregone conclusion. the albanian population has come under sustained attack and have lived trough a campaign of intimidation and fear over the past couple of years leading up to this event, anti-albanian chants in every match, anti-albanian graffiti, desecration of albanian monuments, mocking albanians in carnivals, a policeman killing 2 albanian youths for no reason...now use the underutilised sections of your brain and tell us who has been provoking this tension??? Albanian children beat up in buses .....Ohrid Peace Agreement not being implemented fully maybe its time ....the more truer colors of our neighbors are shining like their new flag
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Post by rex362 on Apr 17, 2012 17:58:27 GMT -5
some news outlets are saying a possible survivor/witness
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Post by rex362 on Apr 17, 2012 18:32:03 GMT -5
The problem with the government and police is that they allowed many to fly posters and banners with Albanian hatred slogans when the demonstrators gathered in public square ....they were showing this on mac tv ,this is before they tried to enter Albanian quarters ....
where imo if they would of entered Albanian quarters with those banners it would of been a blood bath
Death to Albanians /gas chambers for Albanians ...etc .....
Albanians and even slavs at home were appalled while watching this on tv
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Post by atdhetar on Apr 17, 2012 19:46:38 GMT -5
look, those douchebags would never dare enter albanian quarters, they know better than that, shit is going to kick off now, our brothers better wise up and stick together.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 18, 2012 1:43:08 GMT -5
"We" fell for the same trick all over again and it seems to be too late to pull back."
I would also add in the factor that all Slavs are against each other too, perfect climate for Albanians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 18, 2012 1:48:58 GMT -5
The country's prime minister, Nikola Gruevski, is described as being "pro-Serb", and accused of "spreading anti-Albanian ideology and instigating assaults on innocent Albanians", while "Albanian villages are blocked by Macedonian Slavs and nobody among corrupt politicians in Ethnic (Greater) Albania is reacting because they are all traitors to their homeland".
I laughed so damn hard that l nearly crapped myself. You see the Albanian mentality has Serbs and Serbia as the vampire, look below at Valmiri's comment, it just proves the paranoia and the warped mentality Albanians have:
"This s**t is made in serbia, They are trying to make a war in Macedonia so this will give them a chance to serbs to take North mitrovica from Kosovo!"
PS Albanians and BuLgari must be one nation!
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Post by rex362 on Apr 18, 2012 9:55:55 GMT -5
Bulgarian press/view ...... The ethnic tensions between the Macedonian Slavs and the ethnic Albanians is set to cause the federalization and possible breakup of the Republic of Macedonia, according to Bulgarian analyst and former intelligence officer Krasimir Uzunov. Uzunov, who is known as an expert on the Balkan region, and is a former agent of the State Security (DS) service of communist Bulgaria, commented on the situation in Macedonia after the recent murder of five men near Skopje, speaking on BNR Wednesday. "Macedonia is definitely headed in the direction of federalization, confederalization, and breakup. The "cantons" have emerged after the civil war in 2001. Albanian guerrillas have conducted ethnic cleansing in the mountains north of Tetovo, especially the Sar Mountain. There are few who wish to live in the Macedonian villages where churches were burned," Uzunov declared. He said that the ethnic Albanian population in Macedonia is growing rapidly not only in the Western parts of the country. "If we take the ethnic map of Macedonia drafted by Vasil Kanchov (a Bulgarian geographer and researcher of the region of Macedonia who lived in 1862-1902 – editor's note), and place it on today's ethnic map of Macedonia, the difference can drive one to desperation," Uzunov stated. The analyst claims that more than a decade after the Ohrid Accord of 2001 – which ended the de facto civil war started by ethnic Albanian guerrillas – problems between Macedonian Slavs and ethnic Albanians are exacerbating, with many of the provisions of the Ohrid Accord having failed, and many not having been implemented at all."A month before the last parliamentary elections in Macedonia the four Albanian parties gave a joint press conference and made it clear they had the same agenda regardless of which one of them will be in the government or will remain in opposition. One of their main demands is for the introduction of Albanian as the second official language in all of Macedonia. That is, the Albanians are seeking their rights," Uzunov concluded. Krasimir Uzunov known as an expert on the Balkans and the region of Macedonia in particular has been exposed as a former agent of the Third Directorate of the State Security service, which was the military counterintelligence service of communist Bulgaria, in 1988-1990. www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=138614
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Post by rex362 on Apr 18, 2012 10:01:20 GMT -5
NY Times ..... The latest incident came a month after an off-duty Macedonian policeman killed two ethnic Albanians in a dispute over a parking space in the city of Gostivar. Those killings set off several days of rioting and street fights between youths with iron bars, clubs and knives, resulting in dozens of injuries. A court has still not ruled whether the Gostivar killings were connected to the men’s ethnicity. About one-quarter of Macedonia’s population is Albanian, and most of them are Muslims. Ethnic Albanian rebels waged an eight-month armed insurgency in 2001 for increased autonomy in which some 80 people died. A peace agreement, brokered by international envoys in the southwestern city of Ohrid, ended the 2001 conflict. While the agreement encouraged Albanians to integrate politically, a societal chasm remains. “The ethnic communities live more separated than ever,” said Biljana Vankovska, a political scientist at Skopje University. “Ohrid institutionalized ethnicity to such a degree that there is no room left for any integration or common action among groups,” she said. The Ohrid agreement brought about the decentralization of power in the Balkan state of two million, with some municipalities reorganized along ethnic lines. “The distrust between communities is growing,” Ms. Vankovska said. “I don’t see any glue to bring them together, except for NATO and the E.U.” Even though the incident comes shortly before the NATO summit meeting in Chicago on May 20, analysts said there probably won’t be any impact because Macedonia is unlikely to be invited to join the alliance.Macedonia’s inclusion in NATO has been vetoed by Greece, which rejects the use of the name Macedonia. Greece says the use of the term implies a claim to Greek territory with the same name. Athens has also blocked an invitation to Macedonia to begin talks to join the European Union. For many ethnic Albanian citizens of Macedonia, much of the autonomy and integration promised under the Ohrid accord has yet to be realized. Many say that the ethnic Macedonian-dominated government never recognized the need for increased language rights and autonomy for minority communities and complain that it formally respects the Ohrid process without showing the political will to implement it effectively.
“ For these 10 years, the government has only been pretending that it’s trying to integrate minority groups,” said Bekim Kadriu, an international human rights law professor at the South East European University in Tetovo, 40 kilometers, or 25 miles, north of Skopje.
“But at the same time, it obstructs the process” Mr. Kadriu said. www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/world/europe/killings-heighten-ethnic-tensions-in-macedonia.html
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Post by rex362 on Apr 18, 2012 10:54:22 GMT -5
future divide if this thing gets uglier
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 18, 2012 17:00:11 GMT -5
This should be no secret whatsoever! It's been engrained in every Albanians heart since 1878 (regardless of their religion or dialect). Much respect I give to them, because they stick together and that's that. We Slavs barely get along with a blood brother let alone with Serbs, Bosnians, Bulgarians etc. We wish the very worst towards each other (I'm truly not that way). Albanians are like Jews, keep it in the family.
I don't agree with their eye for an eye about the smallest thing, but at the end it will achieve their goal of a unified Albanian nation. They don't care if it happens tomorrow or 100yrs from now, they just know they won't stop until it happens.
It's real simple, unity, loyality and multiply..the rest is bullsht.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Apr 18, 2012 18:02:50 GMT -5
^I think you give us too much credit. If we stuck together throughout history, Shkup (Skopje) would be predominantly Albanian and we would be extended as far as Nis.
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Post by rex362 on Apr 18, 2012 19:36:04 GMT -5
This should be no secret whatsoever! It's been engrained in every Albanians heart since 1878 (regardless of their religion or dialect). Much respect I give to them, because they stick together and that's that. We Slavs barely get along with a blood brother let alone with Serbs, Bosnians, Bulgarians etc. We wish the very worst towards each other (I'm truly not that way). Albanians are like Jews, keep it in the family. I don't agree with their eye for an eye about the smallest thing, but at the end it will achieve their goal of a unified Albanian nation. They don't care if it happens tomorrow or 100yrs from now, they just know they won't stop until it happens. It's real simple, unity, loyality and multiply..the rest is bullsht. up to a point ....and usually when things get hot ...5 separate pieces of butter melt easier and become one as the heat builds up in the same pan
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Post by rex362 on Apr 18, 2012 19:40:32 GMT -5
^I think you give us too much credit. If we stuck together throughout history, Shkup (Skopje) would be predominantly Albanian and we would be extended as far as Nis. that's bcs our ancestors were to lenient and in some cases had no choice the past 200 years alone
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Post by rex362 on Apr 18, 2012 19:47:10 GMT -5
600,000 plus of the same ethnicity/ideology in population of a country ....
..........while the rest don't know if their coming or going and with mixed ideology of who/what they are and then many just arrived under 100years ago
again ....who is the minority ??
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Post by Shqipni13 on Apr 18, 2012 20:11:41 GMT -5
^Same ideology Axha Rexh? Not quite. How many Albanian political parties in Macedonia? Amongst the citizens there are many who put Islam before ethnicity. Build mosques all over the the place...Allah u ekber!!!!. There is a small town by Gostivar called Çajlë. This town has two mosques literally across the street from one another. So are we on the same page with one another? No friggin way. I may be coming off a bit negative but the Albanians in mac land really need to wake the fcuk up. I hate Enver Hoxha but if we could have a reincarnation of him for Ilirida just for 10-15 years I really think it would do a lot of good.
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Post by rex362 on Apr 19, 2012 8:53:15 GMT -5
we are only good when the heat is on....
I know I know ....3 Albanians with 7 political parties
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Post by ljubotan on Apr 19, 2012 9:28:45 GMT -5
Do you guys really think the west is going to award you NW Mak too? I think at the end of the day you guys have all the rights you want, its just about unification and the west won't go past Kosovo.
You guys talk smack when your in majority in confined locations, otherwise, you shut up like your cousins in Tuzi, CG. I know plenty of Malisori back in Detroit, and they don't even think of Mak Albo's as their own....why is that? Is the dialect/local customs that different?
Only Albanians you may know from Montenegro are some slavophone cunts. True Malesors are a different breed.
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Post by mystery on Apr 19, 2012 9:56:52 GMT -5
^Same ideology Axha Rexh? Not quite. How many Albanian political parties in Macedonia? Amongst the citizens there are many who put Islam before ethnicity. Build mosques all over the the place...Allah u ekber!!!!. There is a small town by Gostivar called Çajlë. This town has two mosques literally across the street from one another. So are we on the same page with one another? No friggin way. I may be coming off a bit negative but the Albanians in mac land really need to wake the fcuk up. I hate Enver Hoxha but if we could have a reincarnation of him for Ilirida just for 10-15 years I really think it would do a lot of good. This is true. There's a village I know that has built a mosque right next to the old mosque, which was in good condition. Mind you the village doesn't even have a local school or running water. There's a lot of big, new, glamorous mosques being built and it's fucking dumb. I saw one near Struga and the minaret was a fucking skyscraper, brand new, expensive, etc. I don't know if this is public funding, private or foreign but it's disturbing. Macedonians are smart as they are trying to radicalize the local population and gain sympathy with the west. Also, this is hurting relations with Albania. Albanians(in Albania) although are supportive of Albanians in the country but are repulsed by the extremism of albanians in the coutnry. You have people like Menduh Thaci who shout allah akbar in shkup then he goes to Albania and acts liberal..
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