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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 10:51:14 GMT -5
Roberto Chaidi actual name Robert Hajdhi & Babarushi , a Golden Down Deputy Albanian to the core and disgraceful at that ![](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2IGlJBh-xuc/UQ_VsduBe5I/AAAAAAAAFL0/lNOK-hGiLn4/s1600/roberto20chaidi202.jpg)
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 11:21:15 GMT -5
Firstly, to really know your hero you must aknowledge his ancestry: a) Skenderbeg is the great grandson of Branilo, the Serb duke of Kastoria. hearsay, inaccurate and has been refuted. i'm not sure, those could all be true, i just have not see any source that would corroborate those claims, however noble familes did use to intermarry so i would not be the least bit surprised if slavic names were used, his mother is said to be of slavic descendence so it is conceivable that some of his sibling's names are indeed slavic sounding, that does not worry me and doesn not make him a slav. you would need to give me proof that those names are exclusively serbian, i can not take your word on it seeing as you are a demented person, you would need to provide us with actual written information like Rex does by respected authors. uncorroborated claims, even if that was the case, doesn't mean anything, a hindu named isaac is not a jew, provide proof. how do you know this? who is the name of this catholic priest? was he contemporary? how do you know he only spoke serbian and greek exclusively? where are you getting all this information? pls provide links, pages, authors etc. who is this obscure source? he claims he married some chick with a slavic name when everyone knows his wife's name was Donika, grossly unreliable source, Quoted from Encyclopedia Britannica "Among the leading families of the Albanian feudal nobility were the Thopias, Balshas, Shpatas, Muzakas, Aranitis, Dukagjinis, and Kastriotis." Quote from Marinus Barletius on his 16th century bio of Scanderbeg, Historia de vita et gestis Scanderbegi Epirotarum Principis. Currently the leading source for info on Scanderbeg.(Regarding the origins of Scanderbeg's mother) "John Kastrioti was married to Voisave, the daughter of the ruler of Pollogus, a country that lies between Tetovo and Skopje. One part of the population of Pollogus besides Bulgarian was Albanian, the family of Tribalda or “Triballorum princeps”. It was from this marriage that John Kastrioti had five girls and four boys." This Italian Heraldica page, which has the same emblem shown in your "Nobility" page (Issue; Scanderbegs origins) "The Kastrioti or Castriota family, of Albanian origin, begins with certainty with John Castriota, lord of Mat and Vumenestia, who died in 1443. He resisted Turkish attempts at conquering the Albanian region." his father's name is not Ivan, there you go your source refuted, dismissed, dispelled and shat upon. Now I am not arguing what his nationality was, I am stating his lineage. He was Albanian, as many Albanians stem from this said ethnos, so does he. do you ever f**king read what other write? it doesn't matter if albanians forgot about him for 1000 years, the fact remains he was albanian, that is beside the point you imbecile, point is your attempts to claim he was a serb and throw doubt as to his ethnicity are unfounded. Look up the names of this lineage, you will come across Albanized Serbian names. What I meant by Pagan Serbian, is that those names are pre-Christian Serbian names. You will have to research the names yourself through unbiased sources... Stanisa and Branilo are irrefutably Serbian (you will have to prove otherwise - it's like asking me to prove the sky is blue just look yourself or prove otherwise), as is Vojisava the male version of Vojislav (Sesejl). For the last time, I am not saying he was Serbian, he was quoted many times saying he was Albanian I am only giving you information on his family lineage. Did you know his father is burried in the Serbian Monastery in Hilandar (tombstone is in cyrillic)? This monastery is considered one of our most sacred. I know many Albanians don't - but think about this for a moment, if Serbs and our Church is so anti-Albanian why do WE even honor him and his line?!?! No one has ever touched this site, it is our monks that maintain it. The Grandfather of Albania...supposedly right?The documents are in your own Church, all over Albanian lands. The problem is todays-Albanians are so anti-Christian to the point of hatred-unbalance so they rather read Albanian nationalist interpretations instead, which are infact unfounded-unsourced claims- or rather from useless/foreign perspectives. During his time he was the hero of Albanians, after he died the Ottomans cleansed his legacy and slowly the Albanians adopted their ways, religion, politics (this is obvious because the Albanian never saw Skandenbeg as their hero till hundreds of years later after the fact)... there were many skirmishes between the muslims and Catholic for acceptable reasons (considering time/place/era) and this was going on right till when the Ottomans fell. Then naturally, nationalism grew - an identity what was once coraborated by the Ottomans themselves had to evolve into something new and for the better of the people. For survival mainly. This is when "Albanian Unity" became the biggest concern - Skandenbeg filled this void and this exploit became the main focus during your communist times. I am not throwing doubts on his ethnicity - he's yours, I am throwing doubts on the Albanian motive on how they use Skandenbeg. His flag/eblem alone represents massacres of Balkan muslims and the triumph of Christianity - the eagle itself represents Christianity BTW. Remember back then, if you were Muslim you were seen the same as a Turk by the rest - this is how he saw it too - kind of backwards no -lots of irony here. Just think how he would act today if he read the news headlines showing what Albanians are doing (I say this humbly). It would be his nightmare to see what Kosovo is today. You see, the resentment you have against Serbs never existed pre-Ottomans, and for a lot of it not-even during this was strictly implanted by them. Skandenbeg does not represent "greater" Albania, the Ottoman times do! Your resentment was a defense mechanism for when after when the ottomans fell, when revenge killings became abundant in full extremities - the Serbs still had war against the Ottoman-mentality (islam) and wanted it out of their lands - in other words inadvertantly continuing Skandenbegs' legacy. This is very easy to understand when taking the time into consideration. Religion was identity back then - how else would you explain the massive waves of Albanian converting to Islam? Skandenbegs Albanian identity was Christian European he was killing the rest like sport. Hoxha lied to you.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 12:09:43 GMT -5
your making an urban legend out of the Castrioti name the clan does have a few slight slavic sounding names but only through being baptized in Churches
look up Tribaldi when it comes to his wife /Voisava Tribalda of the Polog region
and again : its your Slavic nobles that had the Albanian,Vlach,Bulgarian,greek and Armenian ancestry ....with bounds of epic poems
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 12:13:44 GMT -5
your making an urban legend out of the Castrioti name the clan does have a few slight slavic sounding names but only through being baptized in Churches
look up Tribaldi when it comes to his wife /Voisava Tribalda of the Polog region and again : its your Slavic nobles that had the Albanian,Vlach,Bulgarian,greek and Armenian ancestry ....with bounds of epic poems So typical of you to look at only the surface. Rex read again, I am not making no urban legend. Serbs honor his family more than an Albanian Muslim can. re-posted for clarity.... go beyond where I am talking about names - read about MOTIVE. Look up the names of this lineage, you will come across Albanized Serbian names. What I meant by Pagan Serbian, is that those names are pre-Christian Serbian names. You will have to research the names yourself through unbiased sources... Stanisa and Branilo are irrefutably Serbian (you will have to prove otherwise - it's like asking me to prove the sky is blue just look yourself or prove otherwise), as is Vojisava the male version of Vojislav (Sesejl). For the last time, I am not saying he was Serbian, he was quoted many times saying he was Albanian I am only giving you information on his family lineage. Did you know his father is burried in the Serbian Monastery in Hilandar (tombstone is in cyrillic)? This monastery is considered one of our most sacred. I know many Albanians don't - but think about this for a moment, if Serbs and our Church is so anti-Albanian why do WE even honor him and his line?!?! No one has ever touched this site, it is our monks that maintain it. The Grandfather of Albania...supposedly right?The documents are in your own Church, all over Albanian lands. The problem is todays-Albanians are so anti-Christian to the point of hatred-unbalance so they rather read Albanian nationalist interpretations instead, which are infact unfounded-unsourced claims- or rather from useless/foreign perspectives. During his time he was the hero of Albanians, after he died the Ottomans cleansed his legacy and slowly the Albanians adopted their ways, religion, politics (this is obvious because the Albanian never saw Skandenbeg as their hero till hundreds of years later after the fact)... there were many skirmishes between the muslims and Catholic for acceptable reasons (considering time/place/era) and this was going on right till when the Ottomans fell. Then naturally, nationalism grew - an identity what was once coraborated by the Ottomans themselves had to evolve into something new and for the better of the people. For survival mainly. This is when "Albanian Unity" became the biggest concern - Skandenbeg filled this void and this exploit became the main focus during your communist times. I am not throwing doubts on his ethnicity - he's yours, I am throwing doubts on the Albanian motive on how they use Skandenbeg. His flag/eblem alone represents massacres of Balkan muslims and the triumph of Christianity - the eagle itself represents Christianity BTW. Remember back then, if you were Muslim you were seen the same as a Turk by the rest - this is how he saw it too - kind of backwards no -lots of irony here. Just think how he would act today if he read the news headlines showing what Albanians are doing (I say this humbly). It would be his nightmare to see what Kosovo is today. You see, the resentment you have against Serbs never existed pre-Ottomans, and for a lot of it not-even during this was strictly implanted by them. Skandenbeg does not represent "greater" Albania, the Ottoman times do! Your resentment was a defense mechanism for when after when the ottomans fell, when revenge killings became abundant in full extremities - the Serbs still had war against the Ottoman-mentality (islam) and wanted it out of their lands - in other words inadvertantly continuing Skandenbegs' legacy. This is very easy to understand when taking the time into consideration. Religion was identity back then - how else would you explain the massive waves of Albanian converting to Islam? Skandenbegs Albanian identity was Christian European he was killing the rest like sport. Hoxha lied to you. Read more: illyria.proboards.com/thread/36342/golden-dawn-police-role-greece?page=27##ixzz2Jx33JcbQ
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 12:16:43 GMT -5
"The thesis that Skanderbeg was a Serb belonged at once to the stereotype of the Albanians’ Serb origins and to that of their inability to create a state. Its primary purpose was to explain this historical exception from the rule of the Albanians’ tribal and disorganised existence, and their lack of desire for a state. Just as contemporary Serbian writers like to stress that Skanderbeg’s mother was from the Balšić family, which in their view makes him a Serb, earlier writers too felt bound to insist on this argument. For these earlier authors Skanderbeg was a Serb, as were his comrades in arms; he was the last Serb dynast, who ruled lands inhabited by Serbs. Vladan Dorđević, while insisting that Skanderbeg was a Serb, wrote in an apologetic tone: ‘It is actually quite embarrassing that we must claim this sole hero whom the Albanians have managed to acquire during so many thousands of years, for in our six-century-long struggle from Kosovo to Kumanovo we have gained so many heroes that we could have done without this one. But we must not allow history to be falsified for the Albanians’ sake.’ Other authors followed him, repeating in unison that Albanians should not claim Skanderbeg as their own, because he was not a full-blooded Albanian but at least half-Serb."
taken from something I read earlier ^
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 12:31:54 GMT -5
Skanderbeg is our national icon......you serbs like greeks yearn for these type
There were no serbian ethnicity at the time of Scanderbeg there was a feudal caste-Slavic religious founded by Bulgarians ....
the difference being the mixed slavs accepted Slavonic Church to exercise faith, and us Illyrians still had characteristics of atheist-paganism but with links to churches of Roman Catholic before you even arrived in our back yards ....
it took a long time for slavs in the balkans to understand what the Churches around you were,so dont use the religious/Muslim card on us ...your not allowed
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 12:59:49 GMT -5
also dont fall for these two pseudo-historians.....ardian klosi and fatos lubonja they want to be European and pretend to be intellectuals...they just want to be controversial so they can see their names in print constantly and re-watch themselves 3,000x on talk shows .... when in fact Europe itself has raised monuments and busts to this legendary man.
btw ....where is the statue of Castrioti in BEOGRAD ?
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 13:33:32 GMT -5
all I see is spite and jealousy from serbs and greeks when it comes to Castrioti let me tell you why ... he created the first provincial union ... and that union takes the form of nations in the Balkans ... and not any ole nation but a nation created based on mother tongue and of the same generation after generations of people .
We are the only nation in the Balkans that was created by ancestry of the mother tongue and indigenous people in the Balkans ..as the Pelasgians-Illyrians that we are .. even old symbolism is expressed by Castrioti just in his helmet .. let alone the secret seals Castrioti had that show Epirus of ownership he didn't have modern mono religion on show the actual helmet ....as in the goats/rams horn used by Alexander and Pyrrus which are symbols of OUR pasts ![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Helmet_of_Skanderbeg.JPG/450px-Helmet_of_Skanderbeg.JPG)
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 13:59:41 GMT -5
btw ...what other country besides serbia has any statues of serbian heroes ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I thought so ......I am sorry about that !
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 14:14:58 GMT -5
Back to the problems at hand and forget serbian propoganda THE IDIOTS HAVE ARRIVED It seems that the neo-Nazis of the Golden Down have gone into action with the Hellenization of the Albanian territories. Thus we learn that in Saranda Mesopotam village they have set up the first branch of the party in Albania, which is directly sponsored by Christos Papas and bodyguard of the Golden Dawn, Robert Hajdhi. According to the information this Greek fascist branch was established on January 30 2013 and has a membership of 30 people, most of them are teenagers minority greks and have also opened their Facebook profile, which calls on all minorities, mainly younger, to join them without fear. According to them very soon the party will gain strength of all the so-called 'Northern Epirus'. Furthermore it will dare to open branches in Tirana. Branch of the greek neo-Nazi movement in Saranda no speaker has been chosen but only a coordinator, who called Jani Romeli and that is not in the country, but constantly moving between Athens and Saranda.wtf .....ahhahahah lets see how long they last Karta having an orgasm with this ....xaxxaxaxaxax www.facebook.com/pages/%CE%A7%CF%81%CF%85%CF%83%CE%B7-%CE%91%CF%85%CE%B3%CE%B7-%CE%91%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CE%A3%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B1/459797657409382
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2013 14:19:02 GMT -5
btw ...what other country besides serbia has any statues of serbian heroes ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I thought so ......I am sorry about that ! Our symbol of our past..... ahhhhhaahaha....nice try... what are you drinking today? I would venture out to say somebody deliberately robbed you of your past... just like those Judas scriptures they found recently... one of these days those 1000 years will be found... most likely on someone hard drive in some dark wet basement in Tirana...lol!
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2013 14:20:15 GMT -5
Roberto Chaidi actual name Robert Hajdhi & Babarushi , a Golden Down Deputy Albanian to the core and disgraceful at that This is just proves what I been saying here forever.. that an albanian will switch alliances in a second if it's for his own best interest.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 14:27:04 GMT -5
Roberto Chaidi actual name Robert Hajdhi & Babarushi , a Golden Down Deputy Albanian to the core and disgraceful at that This is just proves what I been saying here forever.. that an albanian will switch alliances in a second if it's for his own best interest. Yes ...like Pyrros is a good example ......no ?
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 14:28:17 GMT -5
and Canaris ....I am not drinking anything ....just in form and coffee
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 14:39:38 GMT -5
Everything you've said does not discredit anything I have stated in the post that got you riled up in the first place. I see what you're doing with this SPAM covering up simple highlighted truths you don't like while arguing for something I didn't even talk about. It's ok rexy boy, I see. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I think adt carries more credit than that, i'll be waiting for him to respond.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 4, 2013 14:52:04 GMT -5
This is just proves what I been saying here forever.. that an albanian will switch alliances in a second if it's for his own best interest. Yes ...like Pyrros is a good example ......no ? If you mean our very own resident switcher Pyrros ,yes.If you mean the Olympic medal winner ,no! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 15:03:15 GMT -5
Looks like he is spewing the same stuff Karta writes on this forum
ahahahahahahah Karta his his writer
and the reporter here I cant remember his name is..... he has this dumbfounded look of how this Gloden Down Albanian is spewing the typical teenage greek sh!t
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 15:43:33 GMT -5
You know you've called yourself out as a bafoon when you say Illyrians were atheist-pagan...the two contradict one another LMFAO!!! - let's hope your young fans catch that.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 4, 2013 17:06:52 GMT -5
atheist/ pagans ....was my way of describing of something between not believing and pagan Gods
stop playing detective with my single words while looking for fingerprints to frame me
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 4, 2013 17:18:47 GMT -5
atheist/ pagans ....was my way of describing of something between not believing and pagan Gods stop playing detective with my single words while looking for fingerprints to frame me Where do you get this fantastic idea that the Illyrians were half-way religious, right in the middle LOL ... etc whose ever said such a thing, whose your source for such a ridiculous claim? They beleived in many Gods you moron like Pagansim but not really, did you even know they had there-own Gods? Did you know they performed ritual human-sacrififies for these Gods?
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