Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 10, 2012 20:23:40 GMT -5
I would like to see if there is any one who believes that Albanian is
descendant of the so-called Illyirian language? Of course, in case of
positive answer, what are the main (common) characteristic of Albanian and assumed Illyrian?
On Jul 7, 6:01 pm, Abdullah Konushevci <akonushe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How can they destroy their reputation? By of genius penetration to the heart of the problem, without prejudices and not being vulnerable by positivism, like many other linguists on Cybalist and sci.lang.
I would like to hear all those linguists who are advocating (alleged)
Illyrian origin of Albanian (or even of the most of other languages in
Europe) to come and say that they are supporting your Albano-Illyrian language theory. Some of the serious linguists are confused because they do not know what to say, but they will soon understand that such a half-baked theory has been in fact politically motivated. I knowexactly what is going on in some linguistic circles - including G.Starostin (who besmirched the great linguistic deeds of his father by letting you to deface Pokorny's IE dictionary) and A. Lubotsky - miserable people who decided to cash in their scientific credits and scientific reputation. Starostin and Lubotsky did what they did motivated only by "commerce" and neither of them would ever come out with their opinions concerning the "exciting" Illyrian SF story.
If you have ever read any of my posts, you will be able to see that the hardening of laryngeal was my idea and many etymologies,
As far as I know, the hardening of laryngeal was one of Martinet's
ideas (60s, last century); maybe you think about specific "hardening" problems concerning Albanian language. What about all works done from Saussure to Verner, Pedersen, Kurylowicz, Lehmann etc..? Finally are you suggesting that you have discovered something new, a certain "Konushevci's law"?
Compare Greek 'anti', Latin 'ante', English 'hunt' , Serbian
'goniti' (chace), 'noga' (leg), 'German 'Tag', day and
'konj' (horse) and you will have almost a complete picture of
"laryngeal" changes (hardening, softening and even loss).
like, to
mention just few, Alb katund, katua
I think we have already discussed it; Abanian katua/katund - Serbian katun (hut), kutija (box), kuća (house), kut (ugao); as you see, unlike Albanian, Serbian words are bound logically to each-other; and Greek gonia (angle; Serbian ugao, uglu), oikos (house); I hope you are able to see that English house is a cognate of Serbian kuća and katun (hut) as well as it is related to English word 'hut' via Gothic 'gudhus' (temple). Now compare English HOUSE = Gothic GUDHUS and Serbian KUĆA (hous) and KUTIJA (box); The basis here is duplicated (or even triplicated) Gon basis; cf. Serbian KUĆENJE (housing).
Now, let us see what word you have in Albanian that means "house". I can only find 'shtëpi' and that word has nothing to do with the above "laryngeal" changes (unless we connect it with 'shqip' /Albanian/) .
Albanian katun (village) is the word borrowed from Serbian (kuća,
kutija, katun), of course with the wrong meaning (village instead of
house/hut) .I see you are mentioning Albanian kotec (cage) not seeing that even the modern English word 'cage' corresponds well with 'house' and Serbian 'kuća'. Albanian also borrowed Serbian word koliba (hut), Albanian kolibe; Albanian 'kafaz' (cage) is also a loan word from Serbian 'kavez' (Serb. kavez /cage/ is derived from the Serbian adj. okovan /fettered, chained/; cf. Serb. kavga /brawling/)...
Albanian has IE kënd angle (Serbian ugao, from u/goniti /drive in/)
and ndjek (chase; as I already told Albanian dretoj and vozis /drive/
are the borrowings from Serbian terati, voziti /drive/) are
derivatives of the reduplicated Gon basis, just as it is in other IE
languages, although their 'nd' consonant cluster (also, in Tosk
dialect, mb, ng, ngj) in 'ndjek' does not sound Indo-European at all.
descendant of the so-called Illyirian language? Of course, in case of
positive answer, what are the main (common) characteristic of Albanian and assumed Illyrian?
On Jul 7, 6:01 pm, Abdullah Konushevci <akonushe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How can they destroy their reputation? By of genius penetration to the heart of the problem, without prejudices and not being vulnerable by positivism, like many other linguists on Cybalist and sci.lang.
I would like to hear all those linguists who are advocating (alleged)
Illyrian origin of Albanian (or even of the most of other languages in
Europe) to come and say that they are supporting your Albano-Illyrian language theory. Some of the serious linguists are confused because they do not know what to say, but they will soon understand that such a half-baked theory has been in fact politically motivated. I knowexactly what is going on in some linguistic circles - including G.Starostin (who besmirched the great linguistic deeds of his father by letting you to deface Pokorny's IE dictionary) and A. Lubotsky - miserable people who decided to cash in their scientific credits and scientific reputation. Starostin and Lubotsky did what they did motivated only by "commerce" and neither of them would ever come out with their opinions concerning the "exciting" Illyrian SF story.
If you have ever read any of my posts, you will be able to see that the hardening of laryngeal was my idea and many etymologies,
As far as I know, the hardening of laryngeal was one of Martinet's
ideas (60s, last century); maybe you think about specific "hardening" problems concerning Albanian language. What about all works done from Saussure to Verner, Pedersen, Kurylowicz, Lehmann etc..? Finally are you suggesting that you have discovered something new, a certain "Konushevci's law"?
Compare Greek 'anti', Latin 'ante', English 'hunt' , Serbian
'goniti' (chace), 'noga' (leg), 'German 'Tag', day and
'konj' (horse) and you will have almost a complete picture of
"laryngeal" changes (hardening, softening and even loss).
like, to
mention just few, Alb katund, katua
I think we have already discussed it; Abanian katua/katund - Serbian katun (hut), kutija (box), kuća (house), kut (ugao); as you see, unlike Albanian, Serbian words are bound logically to each-other; and Greek gonia (angle; Serbian ugao, uglu), oikos (house); I hope you are able to see that English house is a cognate of Serbian kuća and katun (hut) as well as it is related to English word 'hut' via Gothic 'gudhus' (temple). Now compare English HOUSE = Gothic GUDHUS and Serbian KUĆA (hous) and KUTIJA (box); The basis here is duplicated (or even triplicated) Gon basis; cf. Serbian KUĆENJE (housing).
Now, let us see what word you have in Albanian that means "house". I can only find 'shtëpi' and that word has nothing to do with the above "laryngeal" changes (unless we connect it with 'shqip' /Albanian/) .
Albanian katun (village) is the word borrowed from Serbian (kuća,
kutija, katun), of course with the wrong meaning (village instead of
house/hut) .I see you are mentioning Albanian kotec (cage) not seeing that even the modern English word 'cage' corresponds well with 'house' and Serbian 'kuća'. Albanian also borrowed Serbian word koliba (hut), Albanian kolibe; Albanian 'kafaz' (cage) is also a loan word from Serbian 'kavez' (Serb. kavez /cage/ is derived from the Serbian adj. okovan /fettered, chained/; cf. Serb. kavga /brawling/)...
Albanian has IE kënd angle (Serbian ugao, from u/goniti /drive in/)
and ndjek (chase; as I already told Albanian dretoj and vozis /drive/
are the borrowings from Serbian terati, voziti /drive/) are
derivatives of the reduplicated Gon basis, just as it is in other IE
languages, although their 'nd' consonant cluster (also, in Tosk
dialect, mb, ng, ngj) in 'ndjek' does not sound Indo-European at all.