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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 8, 2012 21:47:15 GMT -5
Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU
If Serbians voted in a referendum that would ask them to "choose between Kosovo and the EU", about two thirds would choose to keep Kosovo within Serbia.
(KosovoCompromiseStuff) Thursday, November 08, 2012
At the same time, 27 percent said they would rather see the country join the EU.
Strategic Marketing poll included 1,002 respondents.
Broken down by partisan affiliation, the data showed that as many as 78 percent of the ruling Serb Progressives (SNS) - the country's largest party - would choose Kosovo, while 14 percent would go for Serbia's EU membership.
77 percent of voters of the ruling Socialists care more about Kosovo than about the EU, which would be the choice of only nine percent of those who support the party led by PM Ivica Dacic.
This is followed by the opposition Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) with 65 and 24 percent respectively - despite the fact that this party is considered to be among the strongest opponents of EU integrations.
On the other hand, although the ruling coalition places those integrations high on the list of priorities, it appears that this enthusiasm is not shared by a majority of its voters.
As for those who support Serbia's EU membership over her claim on Kosovo, 74 percent of the opposition Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) voters would choose the former, while only eight percent the latter option.
46 percent of those who choose to vote for the opposition Democratic Party (DS) would also vote in favor of Kosovo in a referendum, while 43 percent would favor the EU.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 9, 2012 1:20:48 GMT -5
I wonder if the Eurocrats will regret not accepting Serbia into the EU. I wonder if they'll have enough time to regret it.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 9, 2012 20:46:39 GMT -5
^ Maybe geopolitics yes, everything else no.
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Post by uz on Nov 10, 2012 11:19:44 GMT -5
Let's see how this plays out.
If the numbers their publicizing are 59% then you can be certain there probably a lot higher. If Serbia gets into the EU without a referendum then we've totally lost it.
As far as I know Serbs are the only Europeans who have made a fuss about this Union so publicly, no other nation has stood up like this while looking at the EU as some nostalgic European dream, fkin idiots.
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Post by uz on Nov 10, 2012 11:37:06 GMT -5
They're all playing games.
The EU changes their stance from one day to another about the "need" to recognize Kosovo.
Serbia shows willingness to cooperate and sacrifice, but stops a little short to making the EU fully happy.
Maybe Serbia is fuckin around just to avoid a global uproar against them, making themselves look willing when in reality they have no desire for the union.
Maybe the EU is fucking around just to fuck Serbia up more with new legislations, reforms and new loans, knowing full-well the EU wont last.
This is tricky to decipher.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 10, 2012 13:21:47 GMT -5
59% ? Thats all ?
sheeesh 100% of Albanians worldwide would choose kosova
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Post by uz on Nov 10, 2012 14:37:26 GMT -5
59% ? Thats all ? sheeesh 100% of Albanians worldwide would choose kosova Understanding the nature of this poll is vital. The majority who did vote probably strongly oppose this government and want to be quick in having their voice heard. For example the LDP supporters are anti-Serbian to begin with. Entering the EU without solving Kosovo's status doesn't mean immediate recognition. This can simply mean that Serbia can continue this fight from within the Union. So EU is priority, in this sense. Others are thinking to solve border issues first, then "maybe" EU. Polls are meant to be confusing and never accurate. I know Serbs who would want to enter the EU, but none would agree to recognize Kosovo. This question should be specific: What's more important/priority right now? Borders/Kosovo's status or the European Union. and remember neither choices are meant to omit the other.
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Post by bowandarrow on Nov 10, 2012 18:48:50 GMT -5
59% would choose Kosovo over EU so 59% have it right.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 10, 2012 19:51:17 GMT -5
Funny thing is both options bring Serbia down.
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Post by Beach Police on Nov 12, 2012 21:57:19 GMT -5
Novi Serbs need to get their sh!t together and reject the EU. There is nothing the EU can offer them but heartache, misery and mandatory gay parades.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 12, 2012 23:37:43 GMT -5
I've been speaking to Serbs in the Balkans recently. Many of them now understand that the only thing the EU will bring to the Balkans is a spike in prices via taxes, regulations and monetary inflation. I'm quite happy that Serbia never had a chance to join the EU. I'm also happy that Bosnia and Montenegro's joining was significantly delayed. Said lack of chance and delay could very well have prevented a major economic cataclysm on par with Tito's debasement or Milosevic's hyperinflation. Our brothers and sisters have avoided the fate that now faces Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia and Greece. We should be glad.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 13, 2012 3:57:38 GMT -5
They're all playing games. The EU changes their stance from one day to another about the "need" to recognize Kosovo. Serbia shows willingness to cooperate and sacrifice, but stops a little short to making the EU fully happy. Maybe Serbia is f**kin around just to avoid a global uproar against them, making themselves look willing when in reality they have no desire for the union. Maybe the EU is f**king around just to f**k Serbia up more with new legislations, reforms and new loans, knowing full-well the EU wont last. This is tricky to decipher. most of Saxon/Germanic virtual reality is tricky because it does not make any sense to nobody.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 13, 2012 3:59:37 GMT -5
59% ? Thats all ? sheeesh 100% of Albanians worldwide would choose kosova WHAT??? are you serious? if the delema was : no more loans for the ruling UCK/KLA class and independent or back to Yugoslavia with a shitload of loans most albanoids would be jumping up and down and chose #2 while yelling like monkeys.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 13, 2012 4:06:24 GMT -5
I've been speaking to Serbs in the Balkans recently. Many of them now understand that the only thing the EU will bring to the Balkans is a spike in prices via taxes, regulations and monetary inflation. I'm quite happy that Serbia never had a chance to join the EU. I'm also happy that Bosnia and Montenegro's joining was significantly delayed. Said lack of chance and delay could very well have prevented a major economic cataclysm on par with Tito's debasement or Milosevic's hyperinflation. Our brothers and sisters have avoided the fate that now faces Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia and Greece. We should be glad. still, *they* control the markets. Did you go to any Serbian super market ? loads of Croat/Slovene/German products products (in short : and effectively : German controlled products). Serbs are only allowed to export to BiH/Mak/CG and a little tiny bit of Bulgaria. No Greece, No Magiarska, No Austria, Svicarska, etc.... Vojvodina alone produces 350 Tons of milk, half of the total annual milk production of Greece, while Central/South Serbia produce 4 times the quantity of Vojvodina. 1600 tons for Serbia - 700 for Greece..... Greece clearly has a shortage of pork and milk, and we import from Bulgaria, brand it "greek makedonian" and push it to the markets. Serbian products here are under attack. Only one super market dared to import Jelen Pivo, and again NOWHERE did they write this is from Serbia. Serbia has to RESTORE its brand name..... Screw the west, by pass them, and make advertisement campaigns INDEPENDENTLY ... screw the west.... do business with friendly Slavs .....
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 13, 2012 4:26:34 GMT -5
Of course Serbs don't dominate the market. Blame that on the government (both in Belgrade and Banja Luka) which make it near impossible to start and run a profitable business. Abolish taxes and regulations and Serbs will dominate the Balkan economies. (Also, Serbs should encourage our neighbours to embrace outright socialism or, failing that, some form of economic interventionism in order to destroy them as a competitor. We need to turn our neighbours into satellite nations in order to protect us from imperialist powers.)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 13, 2012 4:43:48 GMT -5
Of course Serbs don't dominate the market. Blame that on the government (both in Belgrade and Banja Luka) which make it near impossible to start and run a profitable business. Abolish taxes and regulations and Serbs will dominate the Balkan economies. (Also, Serbs should encourage our neighbours to embrace outright socialism or, failing that, some form of economic interventionism in order to destroy them as a competitor. We need to turn our neighbours into satellite nations in order to protect us from imperialist powers.) correct and finally Serbify them.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 13, 2012 8:18:52 GMT -5
Of course Serbs don't dominate the market. Blame that on the government (both in Belgrade and Banja Luka) which make it near impossible to start and run a profitable business. Abolish taxes and regulations and Serbs will dominate the Balkan economies. (Also, Serbs should encourage our neighbours to embrace outright socialism or, failing that, some form of economic interventionism in order to destroy them as a competitor. We need to turn our neighbours into satellite nations in order to protect us from imperialist powers.) correct and finally Serbify them. Colonise them, you mean. We'll use feminism to destroy their birthrate and eventually they'll reach a " biological end" thus freeing up their land for our colonists. They don't deserve to be assimilated by us. But we shouldn't touch the Romanians or the Macedonians. Neither have proved themselves hostile toward Serbdom and can be trusted to mind their own business.
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