MiG
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Post by MiG on Nov 16, 2012 12:45:34 GMT -5
Interesting article. What is everyone's take on this?
BTW, I haven't posted here in a long time. I wonder who still remains here?
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Post by uz on Nov 16, 2012 13:13:10 GMT -5
Dacic said it how it is, the Hague makes political decisions.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 16, 2012 15:40:17 GMT -5
Didn't Gotovina originally get 21 years?
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Post by vinjak on Nov 16, 2012 16:13:55 GMT -5
Hey Mig nice to see ya again bro This should reopen an appeals process for many Serb officers/commanders. They have assigned blame to the officers for the individual (which in most cases is correct) however because there where rogue units operating in the field they (Hague) assigned blame for their deeds to Serb officers also. This is clearly not the case for Croatia's officers and we now have unbalanced judgments and a law for one and a differnt law for others, it really should not matter if you are considered the agressor or defendor a murder is a murder and the law is the law, so if you take the personal emotions out of this and look at it, you can plainly see that there is a gross miscariage of justice. A precedent has been set and I am expecting retrials for Serb officers. Personaly I never thought for an instant that Gotovina ordered massacres looting etc, how could he, when he was always shadowed by US officials however being the big brass he assumed blame which is what happened to Serb officers.
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CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Nov 17, 2012 3:19:02 GMT -5
;D
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Post by vinjak on Nov 17, 2012 4:05:12 GMT -5
Ha well look whos back to blow raspberrys, ej Ciki majke ti, pa zar nisi zreo vec ?
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Post by CiKoLa on Nov 17, 2012 4:14:57 GMT -5
This was a Death blow to greater serbian politics. All the blame is rightfully where is belongs ie. on the serbs, and when Mladic and Karazdic are convicted (and we all know they will be) ... serbia will finally be totally defeated politically just like Germany was after WW2. Only then will the region finally move on.
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Post by CiKoLa on Nov 17, 2012 4:20:29 GMT -5
a law for one and a differnt law for others
History is written by the victors.
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Post by damo on Nov 17, 2012 7:40:49 GMT -5
The ruling will rewrite history books about Croatia's involvement in the war (except in serbia).
Now no Croats from Croatia were convicted by the hague (only Croats from Bosna).
The judges ruled 3-2. In favour were the American, Jamaican and Turk. Against was the Maltese and the Italian (they were heavily against).
I cannot believe that they dropped the joint criminal enterprise charges. From what I can also tell they quashed any chance for retrial.
Political war is finally over in Croatia.
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2012 14:18:36 GMT -5
The judges ruled 3-2. In favour were the American, Jamaican and Turk. Against was the Maltese and the Italian (they were heavily against). Naturally the countries on American payroll(Jamaican and Turkish judges) voted in favor for the generals. After all they got their fingers deep into this war(on Croatian side) so this would actually mean they weren't supporting terrorism(well, at least "on paper")
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Post by uz on Nov 17, 2012 14:33:05 GMT -5
And of course as a reaction Serbs will more then ever proudly chant Mladic, Karadizc and so on, proclaiming them as heroes. - and of course Serbs will be demonized for it.
I hope this reality puts shock into Serbs worldwide so they wake up.
Europe/EU has let the Serbs down too many times and b/c of this it is shameful, disgraceful for any Serbs to support them (EU).
Fuck NATO, Fuck the EU - they all had their chance to show Serbs their worthiness AND THEY DID, may this be a lesson.
CCCC
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2012 14:39:26 GMT -5
And of course as a reaction Serbs will more then ever proudly chant Mladic, Karadizc and so on, proclaiming them as heroes. - and of course Serbs will be demonized for it. I hope this reality puts shock into Serbs worldwide so they wake up. Europe/EU has let the Serbs down too many times and b/c of this it is shameful, disgraceful for any Serbs to support them (EU). f**k NATO, f**k the EU - they all had their chance to show Serbs their worthiness AND THEY DID, may this be a lesson. CCCC This is naive way of thinking
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Post by uz on Nov 17, 2012 14:45:27 GMT -5
Where do you not agree ?
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2012 16:12:20 GMT -5
Whole comment. For example no one will glorify Milosevic in Serbia. Or Seselj. They inflicted (monetary) damage to Serbia creating tycoons and other human scum.
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Post by uz on Nov 17, 2012 16:22:30 GMT -5
Whole comment. For example no one will glorify Milosevic in Serbia. Or Seselj. They inflicted (monetary) damage to Serbia creating tycoons and other human scum. My point was circumstantial. I wouldn`t support any of those two either, not even a drop of sweat. The point is if there was that equal attempt (as with the Croats) such and such would happen, as I already said. There is no balance with this form of justice. And do really think EU and NATO is a good choice for Serbia ? Do not take this as criticism I just want to hear good-valid points that support such a move, as I haven`t yet.
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2012 17:07:30 GMT -5
Whole comment. For example no one will glorify Milosevic in Serbia. Or Seselj. They inflicted (monetary) damage to Serbia creating tycoons and other human scum. My point was circumstantial. I wouldn`t support any of those two either, not even a drop of sweat. The point is if there was that equal attempt (as with the Croats) such and such would happen, as I already said. There is no balance with this form of justice. And do really think EU and NATO is a good choice for Serbia ? Do not take this as criticism I just want to hear good-valid points that support such a move, as I haven`t yet. Of course the criteria is not the same. I explained why. About the verdict... I was also unsatisfied with the decision to release the Croatian generals, but Earth is stinky place, the sooner you get that the better. All we as an individuals can try is to be better About the NATO.. Even with Democrats Serbia wasn't going to enter NATO. As for EU... Its a bad choice. I certainly wouldn't like to see Serbia to enter there. The reasons are quite obvious. Balkan is unstable, industrially in 1920's, large part of their citizens practically idiots. We would become like Africa or Greece, depending on mercy of larger countries. Staying out of EU we still got chance to change things around, but this will be possible only in next 20 years or so, when older generation(I mean the generation from 1945 to 1975) became inactive from public and political life and this rotten way of thinking. Also big step here would be to completely close the church and eject any form of the word "Bog" from Serbian dictionary and most importantly enforce people to start thinking logical.
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Post by uz on Nov 17, 2012 17:37:00 GMT -5
So what do you think this game is about?
Does the EU genuinely want Serbia, in your opinion?
If so, then this verdict is counter-productive. At least with those two guilty the argument can be laid that there's was somewhat justice on both sides but this is not the case. Serbs now have more leverage as to be even more "anti-EU".
Why the continuous slaps in the face is what I wonder, is it really just a show or is there a method I'm not seeing.
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2012 17:52:05 GMT -5
So what do you think this game is about? Does the EU genuinely want Serbia, in your opinion? If so, then this verdict is counter-productive. At least with those two guilty the argument can be laid that there's was somewhat justice on both sides but this is not the case. Serbs now have more leverage as to be even more "anti-EU". Why the continuous slaps in the face is what I wonder, is it really just a show or is there a method I'm not seeing. EU is not pro-Serbian, just Serbian government is pro-EU, and EU doesn't care about Serbia(or Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria or any Eastern European country), why should they? Its simple. Serbia can't continue in this beggar style. No one wishes to be our patron because we're treacherous people(proven in last 200 years on numerous occasions, we mostly back-stabbed ourselves). I said in previous comment what Serbia needs to do. In fact I'm talking about this here since I came, but no one seems to understand or they understand partially.
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Post by CiKoLa on Nov 17, 2012 18:47:54 GMT -5
Opet smo pobijedili ... koliko je to sad? 3 , 4 , 5? ne zna mu se broj.
Tuzba za genocid ide dalje, a tuzba u chicargo pada sigurno!
Serbia ... FAIL
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2012 19:30:58 GMT -5
Opet smo pobijedili ... koliko je to sad? 3 , 4 , 5? ne zna mu se broj. Tuzba za genocid ide dalje, a tuzba u chicargo pada sigurno! Serbia ... FAIL Koliko ti je godina? 3, 4, 5? Ovo sto si napisao je zvucalo detinjasto kao da je komentator jedan od ovih Siptara ovde ;D
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