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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2013 10:03:28 GMT -5
uh ...seems all of serbian saints were Albanian .....whoa is me ''Saint Angelina of Serbia'': Angelina Arianiti (1440–1520) was the despotess consort of Serbian Despot Stefan Branković (r. 1458—1459), and the daughter of Albanian nobleman Gjergj Arianit Komneni. For her pious life she was proclaimed a saint and venerated as such by the Serbian Orthodox Church as Venerable Mother Angelina. Angelina was the sixth daughter of Albanian nobleman Gjergj Arianit Komneni (1383–1462) in a time when most of the Albanian people were Orthodox Christians. Angelina was married to Serbian ruler Stefan Branković (r. 1458—1459), son of the former Serbian Despot Đurađ Branković (r. 1427—1456). Angelina was the sister of Donika, who married Skanderbeg, the National Hero of the Albanians. The couple fled to the territories of the League of Lezhë and then to Italy, when the regions of the Serbian Despotate and those of the League were invaded by the Ottoman Empire.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2013 10:10:58 GMT -5
I will reply here as if adtheri would ...... I know he wouldn't mind Serbs are treacherous, these animals do not believe in Christ, they believe in propaganda and deception to benefit their nationalistic bs
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Aug 28, 2013 10:51:22 GMT -5
xombie is the SEX zombie !!! Rex is actually a reXombie!!!! a reXombie may get raped infinite times, yet always getting ready for the next rape!!! LOL
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Post by Balkaneros on Aug 28, 2013 10:53:56 GMT -5
you muslim how can you comment on Christian Orthodoxy? There's no prejudices in our religion, if someone was good they're good, so yes we have an Albanian Saint .... ooooo rex got a excited!!!!! lmaoo , so what does this mean? It means Serbs like all others who are Orthodox respect and recognize the doings of anybody regardless of national affiliation. Deeds speak louder than words.. you hear that?! Anyway back to school for rex chap; Saint Jovan Vladimir, was a powerful ruler of Serbia during his time - Your (albanian) orthodox kin - the Albanian Orthodox have a shrine for this man in Elbassan. In Albania there's even a cult surrounding this Serbian figure, some could call this an obsession... His remains are now in an Orthodox Cathedral in Tirana where worshipers come to pay respect, that's right... to a Serb en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimirps; Just acknowledge your Christian past or go completely Turk already, you cannot do both. Serb contributions.... cont... In Elbassan, albania
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2013 14:59:28 GMT -5
your history would not be without Albanians .....check your slovanic church sources
btw we did vladmir way back ...
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Post by Balkaneros on Aug 28, 2013 16:10:13 GMT -5
You mean St. Angelina Brankovic?
Whose sister married Skanderbeg? lmaooo see how small your history is? you cannot go far without running into Skanderbeg somewhere.
. Later Angelina retired in the Krušedol monastery, in the Fruška Gora mountain of Syrmia, where she died in the beginning of the 16th century.
And like Skanderbegs' father and brother before him, Angelina sought refuge in a Serbian Monastery.
But what I find fascinating (well not so much b/c I already knew this) is;
"(1383–1462) in a time when most of the people of Albania were Orthodox Christians"
... and how quickly that changed uh?
No one asks or even wonders how the Christian Albanians who didn't convert felt when they saw their brothers and sisters lining up in front of mosques en-mass to convert. Imagine the ones who are left today who didn't budge. Those are you true Albanians, those are the reminants of Skanderbegs' legacy.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2013 16:45:16 GMT -5
so informative you are ....
how did the slavic conversion go for you guys ....
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Aug 30, 2013 1:01:37 GMT -5
you muslim how can you comment on Christian Orthodoxy? There's no prejudices in our religion, if someone was good they're good, so yes we have an Albanian Saint .... ooooo rex got a excited!!!!! lmaoo , so what does this mean? It means Serbs like all others who are Orthodox respect and recognize the doings of anybody regardless of national affiliation. Deeds speak louder than words.. you hear that?! Anyway back to school for rex chap; Saint Jovan Vladimir, was a powerful ruler of Serbia during his time - Your (albanian) orthodox kin - the Albanian Orthodox have a shrine for this man in Elbassan. In Albania there's even a cult surrounding this Serbian figure, some could call this an obsession... His remains are now in an Orthodox Cathedral in Tirana where worshipers come to pay respect, that's right... to a Serb en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimirps; Just acknowledge your Christian past or go completely Turk already, you cannot do both. Serb contributions.... cont... In Elbassan, albania you just destroyed the animal.... but wait.... rexombies cannot be killed LOL
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 31, 2018 10:27:05 GMT -5
after doing some more reading and my rexxy common sense I have these 4 major points about you serbs 1.serbs were a group of people, who took this name when they were servants of the Roman kings. 2. serbs cannot prove that they spoke a natural language from their beginning, but from local development of old Bulgarian language through their adaptation of religion 3. The adoption of this language of theirs was when they joined Christianity slowly, so you were dependent upon the Bulgarians, who were its originators 4. Their beginnings of holding any territories, are when Roman Emperor Heraklit who forgave territories in the hope that would serve as a barrier for the flood of Avars. do you approve this ? Read De Administrando Imperio, it debunks your "theory" 1) " The Serbs are descended from the unbaptized Serbs, also called 'white', who live beyond Turkey (meaning at that time Hungary) in a place called by them Boiki, where their neighbour is Francia, as is also Great Croatia, the unbaptized, also called 'white': in this place, then, these Serbs also originally dwelt. But when two brothers succeeded their father in the rule of Serbia, one of them, taking a moiety of the folk, claimed the protection of Heraclius, the emperor of the Romans, and the same emperor Heraclius received him and gave him a place in the province of Thessalonica to settle in, namely Serbia, which from that time has acquired this denomination.
Now, after some time these same Serbs decided to depart to their own homes, and the emperor sent them off. But when they had crossed the river Danube, they changed their minds and sent a request to the emperor Heraclius, through the military governor then governing Belgrade, that he would grant them other land to settle in.
And since what is now Serbia and Pagania and the so-called country of the Zachlumi and Trebounia and the country of the Kanalites were under the dominion of the emperor of the Romans, and since these countries had been made desolate by the Avars (for they had expelled from those parts the Romans who now live in Dalmatia and Dyrrachium), therefore the emperor settled these same Serbs in these countries, and they were subject to the emperor of the Romans; and the emperor brought elders from Rome and baptized them (632) and taught them fairly to perform the works of piety and expounded to them the faith of the Christians.
And since Bulgaria was beneath the dominion of the Romans ... when, therefore, that same Serbian prince died who had claimed the emperor's protection, his son ruled in succession, and thereafter his grandson, and in like manner the succeeding princes from his family."
*The two brothers Constantine VII is talking about is Dervan and the Unknown Archon Dervan is mentioned in the chronicles of Fredegar as "dux gente Surbiorum que ex genere Sclavinorum" "ruler of the people of the Surbi" who owned a state. Boiki is located in the same position as where the Lusatian Sorbs today live, is this just some sort of mere co-incidence??? As for your second and third point, Pre-Church-Slavonic toponyms in Serbian lands wouldn't exist, such as "Zachumlia" meaning behind the hill
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 31, 2018 22:58:52 GMT -5
my bottom line ....... I do not believe the official version for traditional Serbian history.you are a multi-ethnic community that rallied around the Orthodox Church, you are a nation without ethnic history, literature and secular, rural traditions, without national memory. your rural habits are ethnic components that constitute the community that later would become the serbian nation. Ok seeing as you're having your fun I shall have mine: 1)Albanians were a small tribe who dwelled in the mountains who under the ottoman era assimilated the Greeks,Serbs and Vlachs forming the basis of their culture,language and identity. which is where the Albanain ethonym "shqiptoj" meaning to speak out loud comes from 2)All Albanian historiography was created in Austria-Hungary to blockade Serbia and Greece from having acces to the adriatic. All of the "Albanian" states were not "Albanian" at all due to the fact that the term "Albanian" is not the name of an ethnicity but a geographic term, the states which were centred in today's "Albania" should not be considered Shqipetar at all because they constitued of a multi-ethnic community who maintained vassalage to a greater power at one period of time.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 31, 2018 23:14:02 GMT -5
Italian/1696 La Libri Galleria di Minerva The book says that in Ulcinj 1696 was inhabited by Serbs, Turks, and a small number of Catholics. Catholic is a religious term, Turk is a religious term No ethnic serb has ever lived in Ulcinj so a serb is a symbol for the Orthodox faith . Another clear evidence of what the term means a Serb! The Dečani chrysobulls (1321–31) of Serbian king Stefan Dečanski contains a detailed list of households and villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania. The first charter concludes that this region was ethnically Serbian. 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded, out of which 86 were Serbian (96,6%), and 3 were Albanian (3,3%); there were 2,166 livestock households of 2,666 agricultural households, out of which 2,122 were Serbian (98%), and 44 were Albanian (2%).
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 31, 2018 23:18:56 GMT -5
Is that what you do, you take old paintings from hundreds of years ago and give your own interpretation on the events, motive and message? Let me guess; Not only do you think Tesla is a Vlach [your view of him being an albanian], you also think Milos Obilic is an Albanian, as well as Lazar? How about the Karadjodje dynasty, are they Albanian too? oh oh are you one of those Albanians who declare Zeus as Albanian too, along with Alexander The Great? Which Albanian manufacturing plant are you from and don't tell me "your mother". You internet shiptars read the same garbage and reiterate the same way. There's no individuality among your kind, only conformists towards "what's hot". Anscombe, Frederick F. (2006). 'The Ottoman empire in recent international politics - II: the case of Kosovo'. The International History Review 28 (4) 758-793. p. 792 The Ottoman records, the only significant indigenous source available, make no mention either of large-scale Serbian revolt in Kosovo or to an early case of ethnic cleansing by the Ottomans that led to a mass migration by Serbs and the subsequent relocation of Albanians to displace them. Far from being in turmoil in 1689–90, Kosovo was calmer than the surrounding areas. The Ottomans did try to move population groups in some of them, but had no need to do so in Kosovo itself. The "great migration", like the events of the battle of Kosovo Polje, is the stuff of legend rather than history. DEMOGRAPHIC HISTORY OF KOSOVO14th centuryThe Dečani chrysobulls (1321–31) of Serbian king Stefan Dečanski contains a detailed list of households and villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania. The first charter concludes that this region was ethnically Serbian. 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded, out of which 86 were Serbian (96,6%), and 3 were Albanian (3,3%); there were 2,166 livestock households of 2,666 agricultural households, out of which 2,122 were Serbian (98%), and 44 were Albanian (2%). 15th centuryThe Ottoman cadastral tax census (defter) of 1455 in the Branković lands (covering most of present-day Kosovo) recorded: 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). Yugoslav and Serbian scholars have researched the defter, concluding that:[17] 13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages 17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages 5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vučitrn 1 Jewish dwelling in Vučitrn 1 Croat dwelling Out of all names mentioned in this census, conducted by the Ottomans in 1455, covering areas of most of present-day Kosovo, 95.88% of all names were of Serbian origin, 1.90% of Roman origin, 1.56% of uncertain origin, 0.26% of Albanian origin, 0.25% of Greek origin, etc. 19th century
A study done in 1871 by Austrian colonel Peter Kukulj[30] for the internal use of the Austro-Hungarian army showed that the mutesarifluk of Prizren (corresponding largely to present-day Kosovo) had some 500,000 inhabitants, of which: 318,000 Serbs (64%),161,000 Albanians (32%), 10,000 Roma (Gypsies) and Circassians 2,000 Turks Kosovo etymologyShortened form of Serbo-Croatian Косово поље (“blackbirds’ field”), from косово (kosovo), possessive form of кос (kos, “blackbird”), and поље (polje, “field”).
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 31, 2018 23:49:28 GMT -5
btw ...how much serbian medieval literature has been preserved ? from serbs/serbia itself ....not from Bulgaria bcs I dont see chit "In the mid-15th century, Serbia was conquered by the Ottoman Empire and, for the next 400 years there was no opportunity for the creation of secular written literature."thats a lie bcs we just read they were given freedom by ottomans then its justified with bs like this ..... "However, some of the greatest literary works in Serbian come from this time, in the form of oral literature, the most notable form being Serbian epic poetry."but hey its never to late ..... "The epic poems were mainly written down in the 19th century, and preserved in oral tradition up to the 1950s"
thats called making history as you go most likely with Albanian heroes for you histories made later ..yep just like the greeks ....same chit you guys are The earliest surviving record of a Serb epic poem is a ten verse fragment of a bugarštica song from 1497 about the imprisonment of Sibinjanin Janko (John Hunyadi) by Đurađ Branković. From at least the Ottoman period up until the present day, Serbian epic poetry was sung accompanied by the gusle and there are historical references to Serb performers playing the gusle at the Polish–Lithuanian royal courts in the 16th and 17th centuries, and later on in Ukraine and Hungary. Hungarian historian Sebestyén Tinódi wrote in 1554 that "there are many gusle players here in Hungary, but none is better at the Serbian style than Dimitrije Karaman", and described Karaman's performance to Turkish lord Uluman in 1551 in Lipova: the guslar would hold the gusle between his knees and go into a highly emotional artistic performance with a sad and dedicated expression on his face.Chronicler and poet Maciej Stryjkowski (1547–1582) included a verse mentions the Serbs singing heroic songs about ancestors fighting the Turks in his 1582 chronicle. Józef Bartłomiej Zimorowic used the phrase "to sing to the Serbian gusle" in his 1663 idyll Śpiewacy (Singers). Benedikt Kuripečič (16th century), diplomat who traveled through Ottoman Bosnia and Serbia in 1530 and recorded that epic songs about Miloš Obilić are popular not only among Serbs in Kosovo but also in Bosnia and Croatia. He also recorded some legends about the Battle of Kosovo Filip Višnjić (Serbian Cyrillic: Филип Вишњић, pronounced ; 1767–1834) was a Bosnian Serb epic poet and guslar. His repertoire included 13 original epic poems chronicling the First Serbian Uprising against the Ottoman Empire and four reinterpreted epics from different periods of Serbian history. Born in a village near Ugljevik, Višnjić went blind at the age of eight or nine after contracting smallpox. He lost his family early in life, and began playing the gusle and reciting epic poetry around the age of 20. He spent years wandering the Balkans as a vagabond, and performed and begged for a living. His storytelling abilities attracted the attention of a number of influential figures, and around 1797, he married into an affluent family. In 1809, he relocated to Serbia with his wife and children, and experienced first-hand the First Serbian Uprising against the Ottomans. He performed in military camps, hoping to raise the morale of the rebels, and composed epic poems recounting the history of the uprising. The revolt was crushed by the Ottomans in 1813, and Višnjić and his family were forced to resettle in Austrian-controlled Syrmia, north of the Sava River. In 1815, Višnjić performed for the linguist and folklorist Vuk Karadžić, who preserved his work in writing. Višnjić's epic poems were soon published as part of a collection of Serbian epic poetry that Karadžić had compiled. They were well received both in the Balkans and abroad. By this point, Višnjić was solely reinterpreting his old poems and no longer composing new ones. He lived in Syrmia until his death in 1834. Grk, the village in which he and his family lived, was later renamed Višnjićevo in his honour. Višnjić is widely considered one of Serbia's greatest gusle players and is revered for his contributions to the Serbian oral tradition. Old Rashko
Old Rashko or Old man Raško (Serbian: Старац Рашко; Старац Рашко Колашинац) was a Serbian storyteller and gusle player (guslar) known as one of the most important sources of the epic poetry recorded by Vuk Karadžić. Old Rashko was illiterateVuk Karadžić recorded and published ten songs from Rashko's singing:The Building of Skadar The Building of Ravanica The Death of Dušan The Emperor Suleyman and Savo Patriarch Uroš and the Sons of Marnyava Four Uskoks Battle of Deligrad - probably authored by Rashko The Maiden Margita and Duke Rajko The Wedding of Prince Lazar The Wedding of Grujica Novaković The Marriage of King VukašinSo these epic poems were known before they were written down, they were passed on from generation to generation by mouth.
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 1, 2018 1:17:02 GMT -5
do you wear glasses ? When Epirus joined Greece in 1913, following the Balkan Wars, Muslim Chams lost the privileged status they enjoyed during Ottoman rule en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_communities_in_GreeceMehmed Pasa Sokolovic, a Serb Grand Vizier of janissary descent used his influence on the ottoman sultan to restore the Serbian Church, surely there would be no need to restore a church if it wasn't banned in the first place?!?!
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 1, 2018 1:39:28 GMT -5
you muslim how can you comment on Christian Orthodoxy? There's no prejudices in our religion, if someone was good they're good, so yes we have an Albanian Saint .... ooooo rex got a excited!!!!! lmaoo , so what does this mean? It means Serbs like all others who are Orthodox respect and recognize the doings of anybody regardless of national affiliation. Deeds speak louder than words.. you hear that?! Anyway back to school for rex chap; Saint Jovan Vladimir, was a powerful ruler of Serbia during his time - Your (albanian) orthodox kin - the Albanian Orthodox have a shrine for this man in Elbassan. In Albania there's even a cult surrounding this Serbian figure, some could call this an obsession... His remains are now in an Orthodox Cathedral in Tirana where worshipers come to pay respect, that's right... to a Serb en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimirps; Just acknowledge your Christian past or go completely Turk already, you cannot do both. Serb contributions.... cont... In Elbassan, albania There is also a town in southern Albania named "Ballsh" after Balsa II a SERBIAN ruler
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 1, 2018 12:04:25 GMT -5
nothing to do with that ....you dont want to read it oir you cant ..... Brankovic (the inlaw of Murat ) : Lord of the entire World from East to West, my Emperor! Despite the fact that I am just an unworthy servant of yours and the great love I have for your immortal crown , I haven't allowed Scanderbeg your sworn enemy, to pass on my land, to join Hunyadi to attack me thy servant. He enslaved all my land burned villages and towns without mercy, for this o Sultan Almighty, now it is the right time to take vengeance for yourself and on my behalf , attack them from the East and I will attack from the North, in order to destroy and banish them forever.
The main members of the league were the Arianiti, Balšić, Zaharia, Muzaka, Spani, Thopia and Crnojevići. All earlier and many modern historians accepted Marin Barleti's news about this meeting in Lezhë (without giving it equal weight), although no contemporary Venetian document mentions it. Barleti referred to the meeting as the generalis concilium or universum concilium [general or whole council]; the term "League of Lezhë" was coined by subsequent historians.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 2, 2018 15:33:55 GMT -5
ffpicko bre ....your digging up old ones
I hope you make a good Rex dossier
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Post by rex362 on Aug 2, 2018 15:42:24 GMT -5
wow went back to page 1 of this thread .....those were the days ,when it was fun here
now its like ....like just empty hallways and corridors where I come to shew the rats away ...
the biggest rat is still Pyros
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 3, 2018 0:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 3, 2018 2:12:26 GMT -5
wow went back to page 1 of this thread .....those were the days ,when it was fun here
now its like ....like just empty hallways and corridors where I come to shew the rats away ...
the biggest rat is still Pyros
Hey Rex look at these paintings: All of these paintings of Albanians were painted by a Serbian artist called Paja Jovanovic
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