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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 17:36:32 GMT -5
The main idea of this threat is to conclude that both of the Abraham religion (Christianity and Islam) have Jewish roots. And whomever fanatically believes in them in reality is practicing a Semitic religion (philosophy) rather than an European one. There is nothing European about Christianity (or Islam)
Below is my material that supports my claim:
The largest Abraham religions are, in chronological order of founding, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Bahá'í Faith
It has been suggested that the phrase, "Abrahamic religion", may simply mean that all these religions come from one spiritual source. Christians refer to Abraham as a "father in faith". There is an Islamic religious term, Millat Ibrahim (faith of Ibrahim),indicating that Islam sees itself as having practices tied to the traditions of Abraham.Jewish tradition claims descendance from Abraham, and adherents follow his practices and ideals as the first of the three spiritual "fathers", Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Judaism regards itself as the religion of the descendants of Jacob, a grandson of Abraham. It has a strictly unitary view of God, and the central holy book for almost all branches is the Masoretic Text as elucidated in the oral Torah. In the 19th century and 20th centuries Judaism developed a small number of branches, of which the most significant are Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform.
Christianity began as a sect of Judaism in the Mediterranean Basin of the 1st century CE and evolved into a separate religion—the Christian Church—with distinctive beliefs and practices. Jesus is the central figure of Christianity, considered by almost all denominations to be divine, one person of a Triune God.The Christian Bible is usually held to be the ultimate authority, alongside Sacred Tradition in some denominations (such as Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy). Since its founding Christianity has divided into three main branches (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant), dozens of significant denominations, and hundreds of smaller ones.
Islam arose in Arabia in the 7th century CE with a strictly unitary view of God.Muslims (adherents of Islam) typically hold the Qur'an to be the ultimate authority, as revealed and elucidated through the teachings and practices of a central, but not divine prophet, Muhammad. Soon after its founding Islam split into two main branches (Sunni and Shi'a), each of which now have a number of denominations. Less well-known Abrahamic religions, originally offshoots of Shi'a Islam, include the Bahá'í Faith and Druze.
(Islam is just a back up document because it is definitely NOT a religion that characterizes European tradition. My concern is that Christianity too is as Alien to Europe's culture as it is Islam and Judaism themselves together)
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 17:47:04 GMT -5
The main idea of this threat is to conclude that both of the Abraham religion (Christianity and Islam) have Jewish roots.
Don't we all already know this?
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 17:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 17:53:33 GMT -5
Who doesn't know this ? Of course only Paeganism can be concidered truly ours (European).
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 17:59:08 GMT -5
Who doesn't know this ? Of course only Paeganism can be concidered truly ours (European). So what name would you give to those people who identify themselves with Christianity and see this religion( or philosophy) as the cornerstone of their personal identity?
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 18:14:45 GMT -5
Who doesn't know this ? Of course only Paeganism can be concidered truly ours (European). So what name would you give to those people who identify themselves with Christianity and see this religion( or philosophy) as the cornerstone of their personal identity? I do not practice Chrisitianity anymore I know the functions of relgion far too well to be sucked into obsession. I know where you're going and understand that being a Christian has minimal to do with being a SERB. It was our Church that put our culture before religion. You're a first a SERB then ... All our Christian traditions have been cleverely incorperated by SERB traditions. We're not like the Catholics and Protestants.
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 18:27:01 GMT -5
So what name would you give to those people who identify themselves with Christianity and see this religion( or philosophy) as the cornerstone of their personal identity? I do not practice Chrisitianity anymore I know the functions of relgion far too well to be sucked into obsession. I know where you're going and understand that being a Christian has minimal to do with being a SERB. It was our Church that put our culture before religion. You're a first a SERB then ... All our Christian traditions have been cleverely incorperated by SERB traditions. We're not like the Catholics and Protestants. So basically from what I understood was that the Orthodox are not the same with Catholics or Protestants. You still did not gave me an answer about the question that I made earlier. What name do you call those people who blindly believe (follow) Christianity. They identify themselves with that religion (philosophy) and they see it as the cornerstone of their personal character.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 18:33:15 GMT -5
I do not practice Chrisitianity anymore I know the functions of relgion far too well to be sucked into obsession. I know where you're going and understand that being a Christian has minimal to do with being a SERB. It was our Church that put our culture before religion. You're a first a SERB then ... All our Christian traditions have been cleverely incorperated by SERB traditions. We're not like the Catholics and Protestants. So basically from what I understood was that the Orthodox are not the same with Catholics or Protestants. You still did not gave me an answer about the question that I made earlier. What name do you call those people who blindly believe (follow) Christianity. They identify themselves with that religion (philosophy) and they see it as the cornerstone of their personal character. It's up to them. What business do I have telling them what to beleive and how to live. So basically from what I understood was that the Orthodox are not the same with Catholics or Protestants.There's differences yes, but I was even being more specific by saying SERBIAN Orthodoxy because they'res indeed further distinctions.
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 18:45:14 GMT -5
So basically from what I understood was that the Orthodox are not the same with Catholics or Protestants. You still did not gave me an answer about the question that I made earlier. What name do you call those people who blindly believe (follow) Christianity. They identify themselves with that religion (philosophy) and they see it as the cornerstone of their personal character. It's up to them. What business do I have telling them what to beleive and how to live. So basically from what I understood was that the Orthodox are not the same with Catholics or Protestants.There's differences yes, but I was even being more specific by saying SERBIAN Orthodoxy because they'res indeed further distinctions. FYI: People who blindly believe (follow) Christianity and identify themselves with that religion (philosophy) and they see it as the cornerstone of their personal character. I would just call them JUDES, and I do not see any differences between Orthodoxy or Catholicism, or Protestantism. For the simple reason because I do not see any difference between Christianity in general with Islam and Judaism. And if you would have thought that Christianity is as alien as Islam or Judaism you would have said the same. You actually started to talk about the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. So do you really believe that Christianity is as Jewish as Islam and Judaism or not?
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 18:49:06 GMT -5
It's up to them. What business do I have telling them what to beleive and how to live. So basically from what I understood was that the Orthodox are not the same with Catholics or Protestants.There's differences yes, but I was even being more specific by saying SERBIAN Orthodoxy because they'res indeed further distinctions. FYI: People who blindly believe (follow) Christianity and identify themselves with that religion (philosophy) and they see it as the cornerstone of their personal character. I would just call them JUDES, and I do not see any differences between Orthodoxy or Catholicism, or Protestantism. For the simple reason because I do not see any difference between Christianity in general with Islam and Judaism. And if you would have thought that Christianity is as alien as Islam or Judaism you would have said the same. You actually started to talk about the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. So do you really believe that Christianity is as Jewish as Islam and Judaism or not? I already answered your question. The overal motive behind religion is consistent across the board; it's corrupt and desires power and control. I am not sure what sort of answer you're looking for. The Jews created Christianity to control us Europeans - bottom line, is this where you're going?
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 18:53:20 GMT -5
FYI: People who blindly believe (follow) Christianity and identify themselves with that religion (philosophy) and they see it as the cornerstone of their personal character. I would just call them JUDES, and I do not see any differences between Orthodoxy or Catholicism, or Protestantism. For the simple reason because I do not see any difference between Christianity in general with Islam and Judaism. And if you would have thought that Christianity is as alien as Islam or Judaism you would have said the same. You actually started to talk about the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. So do you really believe that Christianity is as Jewish as Islam and Judaism or not? I already answered your question. The overal motive behind religion is consistent across the board; it's corrupt and desires power and control. I am not sure what sort of answer you're looking for. The Jews created Christianity to control us Europeans - bottom line, is this where you're going? If the Jew created Christianity to control Europeans why several Europeans fanatically preserve it deep inside their hearts and identify themselves with it. Have you ever fought Christianity yourself?
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 19:00:04 GMT -5
I already answered your question. The overal motive behind religion is consistent across the board; it's corrupt and desires power and control. I am not sure what sort of answer you're looking for. The Jews created Christianity to control us Europeans - bottom line, is this where you're going? If the Jew created Christianity to control Europeans why several Europeans fanatically preserve it deep inside their hearts and identify themselves with it. Have you ever fought Christianity yourself? You're first question is just stupid. Europeans aren't the only ones who took an ideology and pissed it through the roof. Those were days back then... Have you ever fought Christianity yourself?I don't know what this means. (again I will ask... where you going with this - We can have a good discussion as long as you make clear which level and realm we're discussing.)
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 19:03:48 GMT -5
If the Jew created Christianity to control Europeans why several Europeans fanatically preserve it deep inside their hearts and identify themselves with it. Have you ever fought Christianity yourself? You're first question is just stupid. Europeans aren't the only ones who took an ideology and pissed it through the roof. Those were days back then... Have you ever fought Christianity yourself?I don't know what this means. (again I will ask... where you going with this - We can have a good discussion as long as you make clear which level and realm we're discussing.) Do you consider Christianity a threat?
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 19:25:27 GMT -5
You're first question is just stupid. Europeans aren't the only ones who took an ideology and pissed it through the roof. Those were days back then... Have you ever fought Christianity yourself?I don't know what this means. (again I will ask... where you going with this - We can have a good discussion as long as you make clear which level and realm we're discussing.) Do you consider Christianity a threat? Not anymore, no. The damage is done.
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 19:33:42 GMT -5
Do you consider Christianity a threat? Not anymore, no. The damage is done. So you do acknowledge the fact that Christianity was introduced as a disease, but you disagree to believe it is still affecting Europe with its negative effects. How sure are you that the "virus" called Christianity has stopped living. I actually find it more alive than ever.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 19:34:41 GMT -5
Not anymore, no. The damage is done. So you do acknowledge the fact that Christianity was introduced as a disease, but you disagree to believe it is still affecting Europe with its negative effects. How sure are you that the "virus" called Christianity has stopped living. I actually find it more alive than ever. You're crazy. If we're talking religion in Europe, Islam is most definitely more of a threat. At least with Chrisitianity, Europeans have something to stick together with. Where are you seeing Christianity in Europe today being used as a tool for extremism ?
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 19:40:02 GMT -5
So you do acknowledge the fact that Christianity was introduced as a disease, but you disagree to believe it is still affecting Europe with its negative effects. How sure are you that the "virus" called Christianity has stopped living. I actually find it more alive than ever. You're crazy. If we're talking religion in Europe, Islam is most definitely more of a threat. At least with Chrisitianity, Europeans have something to stick together with. Where are you seeing Christianity in Europe today being used as a tool for extremism ?No I m not crazy, I actually do not see any difference between Christianity, Islam and Judaism. The more of the believer one is or tries to look like, the more that person praises a Judaist philosophy. One does not have to practice Christianity or Islam to be on the service of the Jewish objectives.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 19:43:15 GMT -5
You're crazy. If we're talking religion in Europe, Islam is most definitely more of a threat. At least with Chrisitianity, Europeans have something to stick together with. Where are you seeing Christianity in Europe today being used as a tool for extremism ?No I m not crazy, I actually do not see any difference between Christianity, Islam and Judaism. The more of the believer one is or tries to look like, the more that person praises a Judaist philosophy. One does not have to practice Christianity or Islam to be on the service of the Jewish objectives. Ok, but how do you see Christianity today as being a tool for extremism in Europe?
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 18, 2013 19:54:50 GMT -5
No I m not crazy, I actually do not see any difference between Christianity, Islam and Judaism. The more of the believer one is or tries to look like, the more that person praises a Judaist philosophy. One does not have to practice Christianity or Islam to be on the service of the Jewish objectives. Ok, but how do you see Christianity today as being a tool for extremism in Europe? When I see those Jews going back and forth against a wall as if they re were having a seizure, I cannot make any difference with Christians lighting candles, eating "brum", drinking wine, and singing like somnambulist. Not much different with Muslims bringing up their asses when praying to God and screaming like crazy from the minarets. As long as you keep on defending Christianity, to me you re a JUDE. What I do not get is the fact that you acknowledge the fact that Christianity is a Jewish philosophy and on the same time you defend it.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 18, 2013 19:57:55 GMT -5
Ok, but how do you see Christianity today as being a tool for extremism in Europe? When I see those Jews going back and forth against a wall as if they re were having a seizure, I cannot make any difference with Christians lighting candles, eating "brum", drinking wine, and singing like somnambulist. Not much different with Muslims bringing up their asses when praying to God and screaming like crazy from the minarets. As long as you keep on defending Christianity, to me you re a JUDE. What I do not get is the fact that you acknowledge the fact that Christianity is a Jewish philosophy and on the same time you defend it. Where am I defending it?Islam is clearly more of a threat to Europeans than Christianity is... and you're ignoring it! Typical Albos... cannot dare to look at themselves in the mirror.
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