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Post by rex362 on Jan 18, 2013 18:17:16 GMT -5
Peter Charanis Peter Charanis (Greek: Παναγιώτης Χαρανής; 1908 - 23 March 1985) was a Greece-born American scholar of Byzantium and the Voorhees Professor of History at Rutgers University. Dr. Charanis was long associated with the Dumbarton Oaks research library. Biography Dr. Charanis was born in Lemnos, Greece. He immigrated to the United States as a pre-teen with his brother James leaving his family in Lemnos and settling in New Jersey in 1920. He received his bachelor's degree from Rutgers and his doctorate from the University of Wisconsin–Madison, where he studied under Alexander Vasiliev. He continued his studies as a postgraduate in the University of Brussels under the eminent Byzantinist, Henri Grégoire. From 1936 to 1938, he participated in Grégoire's seminar where he met his future wife Madeleine Schiltz and befriended the likes of Nicholas Adontz and Paul Wittek According to Charanis himself, during his stay in Brussels, he acquired a profound interest in the Armenians. That interest bore abundant fruit in various studies, notably The Armenians in the Byzantine Empire (Byzantinoslavica, 1961) and A Note on the Ethnic Origin of Emperor Maurice (Byzantion, 1965). Charanis also spent some time at the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki in Greece, and upon his return to the United States joined the Rutgers faculty in 1938, becoming Voorhees Professor of History in 1963. At that time, Byzantine Studies was still at its infancy in the United States. Charanis persuaded the history department to begin a course in Byzantine Studies, which eventually became one of the most popular courses at Rutgers. From 1964 to 1966, he served as chairman of the university's history department. He retired in 1976. Selected bibliography "An important short chronicle of the fourteenth century", Byzantion 13 (1938) "Byzantium, the West and the origin of the First Crusade", Byzantion 19 (1949) "On the Social Structure and Economic Organization of the Byzantine Empire in the Thirteenth Century and Later", Byzantinoslavica 12 (1951) "Ethnic Changes in the Byzantine Empire in the Seventh Century", Dumbarton Oaks Papers 13 (1959) "The Armenians in the Byzantine Empire", Byzantinoslavica 22 (1961), Repr. Lisbon, 1963, London, 1972 "Observations on the Demography of the Byzantine Empire", XIII International Congress of Byzantine Studies, Oxford, 1966 ......................................... this is a most excellent read for all of us and no Canaris not just bcs he claims Albanians and Vlachs were Illyrian (page 39 for your convenience ) but much history and details of the Ethnic changes of the 7th century
Ethnic Changes in the Byzantine Empire in the Seventh Centurydocs.google.com/gview?url=http://www.kroraina.com/varia/pdfs/charanis_Ethnic+Changes+in+the+Byzantine+Empire+in+the+Seventh+Century.pdf&embedded=trueI believe Pyrros would enjoy this more than anybody else .
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 18, 2013 21:22:06 GMT -5
Opinions everyone has them.... this is another example of an unknown sharing his.
This is funny he goes on to say that the Illyrians and Thracians when up in the mountains and in the year 1100 ad 'emerged' as Albanians.... so what really happened up on those mountains... the illyri and thracians copulated to produce Albanians?
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 18, 2013 21:32:28 GMT -5
Interesting read never the less.... Did you read the part about hellenic blood in modern Greeks? I especially like the part of the absorption of slavs..... Pyrro is gonna lose his haid
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 22:02:18 GMT -5
Interesting read never the less.... Did you read the part about hellenic blood in modern Greeks? I especially like the part of the absorption of slavs..... Pyrro is gonna lose his haid Kanaris, did u also read the part about Sicily being completely Greek by language and culture? No wonder southern Greek and Sicilian dna are almost identical, which leads me to believe the slavic blood in Greeks is miniscule since the sicilians are the greeks who escaped before the slavs settled in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 22:02:59 GMT -5
Kanaris, did you also read the part about Sicily being completely Greek by language and culture? No wonder southern Greek and Sicilian dna are almost identical, which leads me to believe the slavic blood in Greeks is miniscule since the sicilians are the greeks who escaped before the slavs settled in.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 18, 2013 22:39:39 GMT -5
I read that,and many other historians believe that also. ...and this was in the late 1800's... just imagine...
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 19, 2013 6:06:32 GMT -5
Opinions everyone has them.... this is another example of an unknown sharing his. This is funny he goes on to say that the Illyrians and Thracians when up in the mountains and in the year 1100 ad 'emerged' as Albanians.... so what really happened up on those mountains... the illyri and thracians copulated to produce Albanians? that's the opinion of a historian, that's not for you and me to dismiss, if you don't want to believe it that's another story. what i don't get is that if we are late arrivals then i'm perplexed at their decision to settle up the mountains, that is quite unheard of because normally people follow valleys and settle close to water sources, why did they, against all logic, decided to settle in the harshest most inhabitable terrain in albania?
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 19, 2013 9:16:52 GMT -5
Mario, those were volatile times... the mountains seems like a good a idea... then see who the big dog is convert to his religion and come down from the mountain...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 19, 2013 10:37:42 GMT -5
hey I didn't say Charanis is 100% correct ....just that its a good read
my compatriot Pyrros who has recently changed his name to "not" has informed me that Charanis is very pro slav and would chew us Albanians up.
when reading I was more astonished with the amount of Armenian accounts of the Byzantines but even though much Slav as well ..
we dont need/expect Peter to be an Albanian lover to write good things about us ..bcs we know thy selves
Main part for me is it shows that the lands were inhabited bcs we have them serbs over here playing "the land was empty" card and then we came in thingy .... serbian routine #42
And of course how much strain the Slavs invasion put on the Byzantines ......And that they still are ....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 10:50:11 GMT -5
Mario, those were volatile times... the mountains seems like a good a idea... then see who the big dog is convert to his religion and come down from the mountain... Yes, Mr. Aristotelian logic, ... what better place than mountaintops to sit out for a while and observe the scenery, except for maybe sitting on white clouds and get the same bird's eye-view as the olympic gods. Do not think that this cannot be so because Albanians have a good record of accomplishing the impossible. We have made an unlikely journey from an unknown asiatic homeland (the wrong side of the wall of china perhaps?), penetrating mountains and peoples unobserved in our timeless and trace-less trek, forging an impossible balkan language along the way, acquiring prime prime adriatic real estate mountaintops among the greeks, slavs and romans by trading them whiskey and beads like the trusty redskin indians, and the list goes on ...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 19, 2013 11:25:53 GMT -5
And also ...
you can pick up from reading of the amount of assimilation's that happened in the Balkans ....
and its seems the nucleus happens to be Illyrians and Thracians according to what he writes ...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 19, 2013 11:30:19 GMT -5
Interesting read never the less.... Did you read the part about hellenic blood in modern Greeks? I especially like the part of the absorption of slavs..... Pyrro is gonna lose his haid yes ....but ya got to tell us some things from the read that you didn't like as well
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Post by rex362 on Jan 19, 2013 13:37:41 GMT -5
Seems there was more Albanians in the now serbia than in the now kosova area ...and these people were made to exodus or assimilate
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 19, 2013 14:26:03 GMT -5
Mario, those were volatile times... the mountains seems like a good a idea... then see who the big dog is convert to his religion and come down from the mountain... the wave of conversions did not take place until the 17'th centuary whereas the emergence of the albanian ethnos appeared in the 11'th centuary oracle Mike, are you having a serious discussion or are you taking the piss? what do volatile times have anything to do with the basics of human settlement? it is unheard of in the history of manking where human displacement is involved that people seek out places which are less favourable than their original place of origin, quite the opposite actually, the reason people moved from one place to another is to avoid harsh weather conditions, seek out fertile, arable land, plentiful water sources and vast expanses of pasture land for their animals to graze on, its a basic human law mate
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 19, 2013 16:32:27 GMT -5
Unheard off? The jews stayed in Egypt for 200 years waiting and waiting... then ended up in the desert for another 40.... talking about less favorable....
So the Albanians went up in the mountains to avoid harsh weather? I think they should have done the opposite..
Wave of conversions started early... Scani was converted before 1500.... hello...
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 19, 2013 22:13:10 GMT -5
Mike u drunk again?
Scanderbeg was taken as child and grew up in instanbul in the sultan's court, thats an attrocious example...and the jews thing is neither here nor there, they were slaves mate they didn't build the pyramids willingly
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 19, 2013 22:20:14 GMT -5
We had the Slav,lombard,hun,Ostrogoths,celts, Visigoths and Gepids invade the balkans... but no on heard of the Albanians before 1100.... most likely 1100 was your time to invade..
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 19, 2013 22:24:48 GMT -5
We had the Slav,lombard,hun,Ostrogoths,celts, Visigoths and Gepids invade the balkans... but no on heard of the Albanians before 1100.... most likely 1100 was your time to invade.. and from where did we invade? from inside out?
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 19, 2013 22:52:00 GMT -5
We had the Slav,lombard,hun,Ostrogoths,celts, Visigoths and Gepids invade the balkans... but no on heard of the Albanians before 1100.... most likely 1100 was your time to invade.. When they were implanted.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 19, 2013 23:16:10 GMT -5
We had the Slav,lombard,hun,Ostrogoths,celts, Visigoths and Gepids invade the balkans... but no on heard of the Albanians before 1100.... most likely 1100 was your time to invade.. and from where did we invade? from inside out? You guys should go run and hide in shame... strutting your yappers so much.. and not having an inch of history before 1100... don't get your underwear tied in a knot... life's that way deal with it..
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