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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 30, 2013 23:08:33 GMT -5
Χρυσή Αυγή Λόγια-Σταράτα, συνέντευξη στα Αλβανικά ΜΜΕ !!Χρυσή Αυγή Plain words,interview in the Albanian Media !!www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/k3c32KJ6iSMRMC3LmOqVIDEOΧαμός στην Αλβανία από συνέντευξη του Χρ. Παππάς της Χ.Α Doom in Albania after the Interview from Ch. Pappas of Χ.Α.Χρήστος Παππάς: "Αδέρφια κουράγιο, δεν σας ξεχνάμε, λευτεριά στη Βόρειο Ήπειρο" Σάλος έχει δημιουργηθεί στην Αλβανία μετά από την προβολή της συνέντευξης που παραχώρησε ο βουλευτής της Χρυσής Αυγής Χρήστος Παππάς στον Αλβανό δημοσιογράφο Artur Zheji. Ο κ. Παππάς μίλησε για όλους και για όλα έξω από τα δόντια. Είπε αλήθειες οι οποίες αναμένεται να προκαλέσουν σωρεία αντιδράσεων στη γειτονική χώρα. Μάλιστα κατά την διάρκεια της εκπομπής έσπασαν τα τηλέφωνα από τις κλείσεις αγανακτισμένων αλβανών οι οποίοι ζητούσαν την διακοπή της συνέντευξης.
Σε σημερινό ρεπορτάζ του News24, κάποιοι εκφράζουν την αγανάκτησή τους για τα όσα ακούστηκαν για την Βόρεια Ήπειρο και τον Έλληνα εθνικό ήρωα της Αλβανίας Γεώργιο Καστριώτη, και κάποιοι άλλοι την ντροπή που ένιωσαν όταν ο κ. Παππάς πέταξε σαν "πατσαβούρα" την αλβανική σημαία!
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 31, 2013 5:38:03 GMT -5
quite the contrary, people were feeling sorry for this crackpot, he essentially said that albanians are a wayward greek tribe and albania is actually an extension of greece....then he contradicted himself by saying that albanians came form that other albania in the caucases...and then he said well no, actually there are no albanians, that ethnos does not exist, its a made up ethnicity, but he did not elaborate how can a conglomerate racial ethnos have their own unique language and traditions.
hard to take him seriously, he should stick to one version i suppose.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 31, 2013 12:08:27 GMT -5
Karta ....pic your favorite Albanian ....
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Post by rex362 on Jan 31, 2013 12:12:04 GMT -5
Karta ...this dirty shameful Albanian is non gratas ...do you know who is father is .....his father still alive I believe
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Post by rex362 on Jan 31, 2013 12:19:39 GMT -5
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 31, 2013 17:55:14 GMT -5
quite the contrary, people were feeling sorry for this crackpot, he essentially said that albanians are a wayward greek tribe and albania is actually an extension of greece....then he contradicted himself by saying that albanians came form that other albania in the caucases...and then he said well no, actually there are no albanians, that ethnos does not exist, its a made up ethnicity, but he did not elaborate how can a conglomerate racial ethnos have their own unique language and traditions. hard to take him seriously, he should stick to one version i suppose. Pretty much what the non Albanians here say. Eight different theories per individual...lol.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 31, 2013 18:16:08 GMT -5
quite the contrary, people were feeling sorry for this crackpot, he essentially said that albanians are a wayward greek tribe and albania is actually an extension of greece....then he contradicted himself by saying that albanians came form that other albania in the caucases...and then he said well no, actually there are no albanians, that ethnos does not exist, its a made up ethnicity, but he did not elaborate how can a conglomerate racial ethnos have their own unique language and traditions. hard to take him seriously, he should stick to one version i suppose. rex to call Christos Pappas an Albanian is a big mistake forget it ! How many times do i have to tell you that Arvanites are Greeks ? Theodoros Kolokotronis,Georgios Karaiskakis etc... are not Arvanites !Persona Non Grata ?? Christos Pappas a Greek deputy ,Greek Parliamentary The Golden dawn will block everthing "Albanian" in Greek Parliament ! If Greece were to hold new elections soon, Golden Dawn could emerge as the third-largest party in Parliament, behind Tsipras Syriza !Staged scene to exacerbate anti-Greek feelings to the Albanian people! Albanian news24 channel belonging to the same group as the anti-Greek newspaper Gazeta Shqiptare and the equally nationalist portal Balkanweb had staged the scene after the interview with MP Christos Pappas Golden Dawn
Mr. Pappas might have to choose / better control in which the journalist interviewed. Artur Zheji are journalists who constantly put against the Greek minority and Greece and is famous for its anti-Greek references. From the studio of Tirana (and playing it safe) characterizes neo-Nazis constantly The icing confirming the staged setting with a view to deepening the anti-Greek feelings to the Albanian people is today's video, where journalists news24 filmed the reactions of citizens in cafes during the interview Pappas in Tirana and the Albanian province (Korca, Durres, Fieri, Shkodra).atdhetar The Greek deputy of Xrysi Aygi is right when he say,all present Albania is an Greek Province ! and the Albanian national Hero Georgios Kastriotis is of Greek descent. Illyria, Epirus,Ionia,Macedonia,Thrace,Thessalia,Peloponese,Crete,Aeagian,AsiaMinor,Anatolia etc... Arvanites are of Greek Illyrian descent and are closer with the Hellenes and not with the Albanian (Skipetarides) who came to the western part of the Balkan Peninsula in the first centuries of the middle western Caucasus and the Caspian Sea to mix with the indigenous people (the ancient Greek Illyrians) and accept the manners, customs and language of these (Arvanitika with Albanian and like very much is not absolutely identical language) ...references to the birthplace of Albanian (Skipetarides) can be found in the "Geographica" of Strabo as the "Parallel Lives" of Plutarch in the life of Pompey
Chris Pappas was born in Athens in 1962. Originally from Lakka Souli. Come from families that gave Greece priests and soldiers. His father is a fighter Lieutenant W / D Elias C. Pappas, a close associate of George Papadopoulos.He served his term, 26 months in the Navy. He worked for several years as a sales executive in large corporations. From his early youth he deals with politics, purveyor to the defense of the nationalist idea.In the party of the Golden Dawn involved since its foundation alongside the Head of Nikos Michaloliakos. Columnist both the newspaper and magazine texts with historical and ideological content.He is married and father of three children.In the elections of 6 May and 17 June 2012 he was elected Member of Parliament of the People's Association-Golden Dawn.It Parliamentary Party spokesman and Head of Sector for Foreign Affairs, and unredeemed Hellenes Abroad.
Indeed flick sometime in the person of the Albanian flag journalist saying that "she had the audacity to attack Greece ...". "... We are at war ... The belligerent can not be canceled by a statement of Papoulias but must pass in parliament of both countries, something that did not happen, so we are at war with you ... Albania signed the Protocol of Corfu "Autonomy of Northern Epirus" and is still in force since there was canceled by someone else, why not respected? If we become government, our army will liberate Northern Epirus
What it means for your Northern Epirus? Northern Epirus is the northern part of the Greek geographical region of Epirus in thousand year history and continuous and uninterrupted Greek presence. By decision of the Great Powers was delivered in Albanian sovereignty and is unredeemed for our homeland. The term Northern Epirus was first used at the diplomatic level during the interwar period. Normally the Continent and is a single piece with the free and enslaved by bit, as defined by the Protocol of Autonomy, known as the Protocol of Corfu. For Greek Nationalists Northern Epirus is our sister and love which, as required, and old acquaintance march, now forbidden in the Greek Armed Forces. What will the "Golden Dawn" than other political parties in Greece on the issue of expatriates? Everything. Firstly at the diplomatic level, it will show again the issue for decades is defunct by the Greek side. Elaborates on the Greek current reality of the vision and purpose of liberalization and integration of this land in the Greek motherland. Northern Epirus has yet to feature a live Greek presence in spite of the Albanian state psefdoapografon who have decimated and small groups. Also characteristic is that it is the only one of numerous Greek irredentism and living presence that is contiguous with the rest of the Greek state. And to finish my answer to your question, I'm asking myself, in my turn: Really what they did other political parties in Greece on the issue of the Northern? Did they cut pensions OGA? Emulate them and afflict them as illegal immigrants? ignore them and ride them? until they prohibit the use of the term "Northern Epirus" the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Embassy and the Consulate-The WHO dining business with several well-wishers and lamogia also available at each site and each time the name of katakaimenis Northern Epirus? Do you have a specific strategy for the eventual accession of Northern Epirus to Greece, and who will be the way of implementation? Immediate priority is to implement the Protocol of Corfu is in place and provides autonomy and physical autonomy not only in the areas defined by the Hoxha regime. There are many ways to implement and diplomatic and other means. Besides, in politics there are things said and not written. Unfortunately, in Greece we are dealing with a callous heart of the anti-Hellenic state and with a nonexistent Foreign Ministry. In this disgrace Golden Dawn wants to put an end. And I will fight to finally implement a national foreign policy, where the Northern EPIRUS will be the primary target. What should I do for Albania the Greek national minority in your opinion? The answer is common with the previous answer your query. We have ways if we had the political will to enforce the fair will. Anyway, Albania is an artificially created state with 100 years presence in the region and not classify it oftentimes randomly inside and outside Parliament, "droppings of Europe." We leave the room in these katsapliades to oppress our brothers. He must finally understand what it means Greek. Why are you blaming Albania, have you ever committed a crime? Have annoy the secret services, as reported in the media? Our crime is that we love Greece and put it above everything in the world. The Sigurimi Hoxha and as you tell them, together with their Greek counterparts, the snitches that state power was always the same. Meaner, System institutions in the People. The schemes are different, but their essence is the same. As common is the womb that gave birth to them. One of our motto was and is "Neither Marx nor Rockefeller." So we are not discouraged by the snitches of any nationality in any regime. We in Northern Epirus xanaelthoume will often come up to the holy day that 'rthoume longer as liberators. It is true that the Greek government has agreed with the Albanian government persecution you and the Golden Dawn? The Avramopoulos has an obsession with an alleged friendship with Panariti who considers him a friend and reasonable man. The latest moves of course Panariti showed what snake it is. Any any prosecutions made or to be made, only one result will be. To strengthen more and more the Greek nationalist movement of the Golden Dawn. Consider it necessary to expel Albanian immigrants in Greece, and watching crime they carry with them? Naturally. Banish them to their buses or on foot from the same paths our kouvalithikane. Egklimatontas, stealing, hating, in fact everything Greek. Albanians have bitten the hand that gave them a plate of food. The loot is in the gene. One of the slogans heard at our meetings is "You will never become Greek, Albanian, Albanian."
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 31, 2013 19:02:42 GMT -5
some of the most poorly informed and misguided people are the greeks.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 31, 2013 19:29:37 GMT -5
some of the most poorly informed and misguided people are the greeks. atdhetar dont talk bull .. read the interview here ... Ongoing conflict between Albanians continue to be at the center of relations between the two countries. In the new show "360 Grae" Artur Zheji is broadcast interviews he has done with kreune Kristo Golden Dawn Papas. Below to get a more accurate impression about this interview is paraqisim full interview, which was broadcast on television "News 24". Interview: 1 Mr. Papas your party Golden Dawn is a party which has put Hellenism and Greek national interests in the foreground. Do you think that Greece is in danger and is there in your opinion a conspiracy against Greece? Before you answer I greet you and I also greet all our brothers, the Greeks of Northern Epirus perhaps follow us on this show and tell you that you never forget and we are close to you. Regarding your question really answer that Golden Dawn is an ethnic party, which fights for the rights of Hellenism and I had the honor and joy to operate. Regarding conspiracy think Greece is not only the center of international fajdexhinjve found all the peoples of the world. Globalization and the new order is a threat to all nations, it is also a danger for your people. 2-There is a great curiosity in the Albanian audience, the dilemma exists or does not exist Northern Epirus. In your opinion there is Northern Epirus and there on ç'argumente support this thesis? Initially, Northern Epirus is a name that dates back to the beginning of the last century, so the twentieth century, particularly after 1914. For us, there is not historically the name of Northern Epirus in the sense that Southern Epirus and Northern Epirus. Epirus is One and there is a Greek Epirus is a part of it at the moment is in foreign hands, in the hands of the state. Of course the name has remained and have done our best, and use. What I want to emphasize, and it shows the decline of the power of the Greek, Greek is the official policy considers Northern-stop label Epirus. Ministry of Foreign Affairs is afraid to use the name of Northern Epirus. Therefore, we are very proud as a party, and I personally, which forced Deputy / Minister of Foreign Affairs of Greece, Mr. Ciara, accept the Greek Parliament hall and speak the name of Northern Epirus. Furthermore, answering our questions, Mr.. Ciara said that he is Northern Epiriot. Because we believe that the Greek government is sold to foreign interests to international usurers, to borxhdhënësit and amerikanistët, consider our own achievement, though the talks 'off recorder', to the Minister of Foreign Affairs has confirmed that Northern Epirus us is in our hearts and we do what we can for such situations! Can not more! 3-If Northern Epirus is Hellenic land and you consider this a historical injustice, for example made in the Treaty of Versailles, how do you think this historical error corrected according to you? There is only an assertion Northern Epirus is Greek. This not raised as a question. If you want to discuss, and have no problem, has a history of over 3 thousand years of Greek presence in these lands, BC. Monuments, language, population, history itself belies any case, every thought otherwise. Albania Albanian national awareness Consciousness is a phenomenon, which appeared at the beginning or the end of the 19th century, even if you want appeared in the early 20th century and is a national consciousness imposed by major powers such as Italy or Austria - Hungary. Was supported as a nation in foreign footprint, have not stolen your mark. Your hero is Jorgjo National Kastriotis, a feudal medieval Greek Hellenism. Your former King Zog throne successor grandfather, Mr. Alexander, admits in his interview in 1931 as follows: "I agree that in fact within the realm of Greek Albanians there are still places like Korce, Himara, Dhrovjan , Gjirokastra and others. See today Prince Leka, a descendant of the Albanians, and if wrong not implicated in arms trafficking. Look so ordinary smuggler, who had shamefulness recent months, at the inauguration of a memorial Bird in Tirana, to declare that the borders between Albania and Greece should be reviewed. Unfortunately populations in northern Greece have populations consisting of Greeks who changed their faith, changed and benefited a false national consciousness as well would be able to not only Northern Epirus, but also throughout Albania to be a suburb or a suburb of Greece. 4 Mr. Papas, as you said Skanderbeg is of Greek origin, and Albanians who speak English are Greek and then are Albanize. Is there Albanian nation according to you, or is it just a fairytale? Will you give me your email and will gladly send you some links to studies, books and other articles which I published last decades on Skanderbeg, who is a great Greek hero, Jorgjos Kastrotis his story. 5 Recently on the occasion of the 100 anniversary of the Republic of Albania, the Albanian prime minister once said that Nigeria was thought of Presevo in Preveza. What is your opinion to Prime Minister Sali Berisha? Mr. Berisha probably refers to a sport, which of course is forbidden by the Muslim religion. Obviously pi. These are unacceptable statements and we do not discuss. Surely sin is not for Mr. Berisha. Sin is for the Greek side because when we ask about the matter take unacceptable response by Greek government officials who tell us that these statements are mainly for internal use and is pre-election speech of Mr. Berisha. We know that Mr. Berisha, his supporters, as well as psychopath Mr Rama, who had shamefulness make similar statements in the center of Athens, in a activity Sporting palace, trumbetojnë a general tendency of populations there, so your peoples, who showed historic journey that did not know how to keep the faith, but also their achievement and the largest single combat looting. I felt very well, since they will ask at some point the law of war between Greece and Albania, felt very well as Greeks in 1940 when he was the first and only time that the Albanians were introduced in Greek lands, with limits of then. Albanian was a platoon who were on the side of the Italians that were introduced and fought on Greek soil some betja which lasted only 24 hours until they reached the point that courageous Greek army to drop into the sea these enemies. And I say that in the hands of the Golden Dawn is a flag. It's a long story how it has fallen into the hands of the Golden Dawn flag. Can do a whole show on this issue, probably does not exist in Tirana war museum if you could call so between quotes. It ferti flag, it is up to the Greeks. Albanians will not ever get. 6 This has been flagged as Albanians occupied by fascist Italy. This is not naturally Albanian flag or not. It fashisto flag-Albanian ... The same things Albanians did in 1940 with this flag, the same things teksualisht, because people do not change, is the same. Celebrated recently and I was last Sunday in Konitsa anniversary of the Battle of Konitsa. In that battle the fighters of the army and the police fought Greek communists who had their driver Albania. There is no connection if this flag is a fascist, or if the helmet of Skanderbeg here, or if there is a star or no star. This is a steal flag. Have stolen eagle two proud biznatine, red and black are our colors. This flag have in our offices. It Byzantine flag with eagle two proud. You build a fake. You steal heroes, color and flamunj and try to prove that you state. Unfortunately there are state. With this push to make state, as it did at the beginning of the century, the same thing happens and now. Currently you have shoulder Turks and Americans have raised their heads. Now you have the joy that has fallen communism, you can have capitalism coca cola, can have beautiful cars which unfortunately are from crime and hashish. Now switch good, applauding American, steal and hour hand, because as we say before del soul and then attachment. Attachment of robbery can not escape. So then would weep and you. 7-In Albania, recently there has been a phenomenon. The ruling Justice, Integration and Unity Idrizi Rescue, which is Cham origin, deposited in the Parliament a resolution seeking the return of property seized from 60 years in Greece, they say pretext or reason because collaboration in wartime Italian Greek. What do you think would happen if the Albanian Parliament approved the resolution and a there Chameria and a Cham issue? As a member of the Greek Parliament, but especially as a patriot, the last thing that interested me was what meant the Albanian Parliament. We have on our side, history, blood, god, Jesus Christ himself. As we speak for Chameria or Cham issue as you say, for us it is a nonexistent issue and unfortunately discussed at this time. If you answer is a matter that is resolved once and for all in the period 1944 - '45 by courageous and skillful strategist, Napeolon Zervas with his army. The few local Muslim residents collaborated with the enemy against the Greeks and took the right answer. There are Greek in any case. Hit and fought Greece and that the earth does not belong. It is ground and only to the Greeks. 8 You say that even those who speak English have been Greek and then are Albanize. In your opinion is there or the Albanian nation is an invention? There is a great ideological division, if you have studied, between nation and state. For example in the United States are not a nation. Our ideology has great significance tribal existence. The nation relies on blood to the tribe, to race. As for the Albanian national consciousness in recent years, Albanian different pseudo-scientists have launched a propaganda campaign and does not exceed the week that do not run a pseudo-scientific new book who tonifikon, feeds, Albanian etnicizmin. 9-A race exists Albanian? Look. Regarding the origin of Albanian tribe if we could call the Albanian tribe, because as I said is a konglamerat populations who are entirely Greek origin, although may have lost their national consciousness. And that for us is very rëndësisshme because we have to be Greek blood in consciousness 100 percent. Therefore, one of our slogans heard in central organize rallies is reportedly being sung: There the Albanian (Skipetar) will never become a Greek. o o. There are many theories about the birth of the Albanian state, the origin of the populations living in the northwest of Greece, in Albania. Indicate Albano theories of ancient Rome, ancient Illyrians indicate a refractory barbarian tribe, which inherently belonging to the group of Greek tribes. To bring back to the era of King Piro. Others also speak Arvanon the Caucasus. There are many theories. I will stay only in the fact that Albania today really there is a whole industry publications and tonifikim Albanian etnicizmit, which exists in every party. Major role in creating a national consciousness different in these populations that want to be called Bangladesh played today and the issue of religion. Many Orthodox Christians of the Middle Ages, after Murat sieges, later Muhammad changed faith. Even great leaders family itself Jorgjos Kastriotis, people under the rule of the Turks, were already Muslims as was his nephew Hamza, etc.. 10-How do you think the future, the present and the next day the Greek-Albanian relations and ye gave me no answer to Northern Epirus. If Northern Epirus is Greek land is now on the borders of the Albanian state, or practical solution is the only solution and rhetoric romantic? ... There will be peace or tension between Albania and Greece? Look tension is life itself. In no case are not warlike without reason. But, the story continues to the right of the fittest, but also in partial agreement with the order not to eat each other. Be assured that as a party and as Greeks have always in mind the solution to the question of Northern Epirus. So the only solution to the issue of Northern Epirus formulated: Freedom in Northern Epirus. If this means and the Greek army in Northern Epirus, then the Greek army will be in Northern Epirus. I know this. May at this moment be listened to Greece, you media people and can also be a reality, experiencing a period of economic crisis, there are economic problems, but I know that the Greek armed forces are far more powerful Albania's armed forces. It is a matter of judgment and not of war. The armed forces exist in every state as pressure lever. 11-If that is the relationship built on relations policy of the hosts or there is no military solution? ... We both NATO countries, NATO members ... I'm talking beyond NATO. Albania must honor its signature and this means that it must implement the Protocol of Corfu, which gives autonomy to Northern Epirus. This would be an important step to alleviate any problems that exist in the Greek-Albanian relations. Be given autonomy and signed by you, Northern Epirus. It is an agreement which is in force, there needs to be applied. I want to tell you that there is a law of war between Albania and Greece. Martial law is not repealed by a Papoulias statement, or a statement of the Foreign Minister. Martial law voted by the parliament and is not officially abolished and therefore are at war. This flag was shamefulness to attack Greece. We are still at war. 12 - This is one of the few things that we agree that the law of war is and should be voted in the Greek Parliament. I had a question, does your analysis and ideas are objects less historical reality now is not only Nigeria, but there is another country that is Kosovo Albanian. Indeed the Hellenic Republic has not recognized Kosovo, but the Albanians who you consider a mythical concept that is not stretched in the Balkans, how do you see this thing? Once said robbery is the craft of Albanians came to rape, murder and theft. So they came to us and instead kissed the hand that gave you bread bitten him. So came this population group. 50 percent of the criminals that are in Greek jails are Albanians, have created the Albanian mafia in Greece, live and reign, do whatever they want, have found a Greece unfortunately vrreshtë without God, which does not properly police function. Do not operate services, does not the military, and shamefulness within Greece itself to express views and to speak in the stadiums for Greater Albania. Deceive ourselves, and if Greece is not at war with Albania, as said by Mr. Arthur Golden Dawn in a state of war with Albania! 13-Do you think there is a need to have your party subsidiaries in Albania since at least half of Albania Greek land is your opinion? Our problem as Golden Dawn is not in any way party. Northern Epirus problem for us is ethnic. If you open a subsidiary in Korca, Gjirokastra Himarë or will not open to get votes, do not care, we are interested in the development, freedom, people feel safe. So we are interested Northern Epirotes and Northern Epirus. 14 - What if the Albanian government will stop you if Young Patriots Club or other forces which recognize Albania and think your thoughts extremist ... what would happen? Berisha claims Prevezen imagine give you half of Albania ... _Bëni A big mistake. I did not say that Northern Epirus is Greek. Since I love history, I told you that story taking place and if anyone wants to read and understand the true history does not exist in Albania. In fact there is a Northern Greek Epirus, in fact all of Albania should be a Greek province. But we can find a point of understanding. Can if you are looking for a huge apology for what you did against Greece. To claim deed, not only in wartime, but what you have made in recent years by committing crimes against Greeks in towns and villages. We were able to find an area of understanding, if put into practice Corfu protocol, which gives autonomy of Northern Epirus and then we will have the opportunity to live peacefully, beautifully. Get a visa every time they want to make tourism in Greece and not to get workdays Greeks. Do not you just blame you. Blame the Greeks who hire Albanians and unfortunately many of them are killed or robbed. Let us have care. 15 Given that you think not only half of Albania, but Albania is Greece, so there are no Albanians and Greek are just forgotten, we can say why you have such great irritation to the fact that Albanians come to Greece. It is as if the Greeks forgot to come to Greece in their country? When you learn to ask forgiveness for your crimes, not only then, but also crimes, the present, we are and will be a warm lap. 16-The Albanians have committed crimes ... I have no connection with the crimes. The Albanian government should apologize? _Flas Sea borders. Smell and canceled oil firm. An agreement had advanced back. Also how would you react to the Greek government statements Albanians insist raise the issue through negotiations. Under these statements come the answers. On the Greek side raised the issue that does not satisfy us as a party, a very thin which means that Greece will present unilaterally in the UN maps maritime borders with neighboring countries. Will give some coordinates and based on these coordinates UN gentlemen Greece considers that these are its borders. This is its maritime territory. Only from this movement, which Greece has a right to do, so says the UN, these are my boundaries, my nuts reaches here, there is something terrible. Just that was enough to make explosive statements by Albanian party, by Rama and Berisha, the Albanian press break reaching extreme targets with extreme response. So who puts dynamite climate, Greece or Albania.
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 31, 2013 20:35:10 GMT -5
some of the most poorly informed and misguided people are the greeks. atdhetar dont talk bull .. read the interview here ... Ongoing conflict between Albanians continue to be at the center of relations between the two countries. In the new show "360 Grae" Artur Zheji is broadcast interviews he has done with kreune Kristo Golden Dawn Papas. Below to get a more accurate impression about this interview is paraqisim full interview, which was broadcast on television "News 24". Interview: 1 Mr. Papas your party Golden Dawn is a party which has put Hellenism and Greek national interests in the foreground. Do you think that Greece is in danger and is there in your opinion a conspiracy against Greece? Before you answer I greet you and I also greet all our brothers, the Greeks of Northern Epirus perhaps follow us on this show and tell you that you never forget and we are close to you. Regarding your question really answer that Golden Dawn is an ethnic party, which fights for the rights of Hellenism and I had the honor and joy to operate. Regarding conspiracy think Greece is not only the center of international fajdexhinjve found all the peoples of the world. Globalization and the new order is a threat to all nations, it is also a danger for your people. 2-There is a great curiosity in the Albanian audience, the dilemma exists or does not exist Northern Epirus. In your opinion there is Northern Epirus and there on ç'argumente support this thesis? Initially, Northern Epirus is a name that dates back to the beginning of the last century, so the twentieth century, particularly after 1914. For us, there is not historically the name of Northern Epirus in the sense that Southern Epirus and Northern Epirus. Epirus is One and there is a Greek Epirus is a part of it at the moment is in foreign hands, in the hands of the state. Of course the name has remained and have done our best, and use. What I want to emphasize, and it shows the decline of the power of the Greek, Greek is the official policy considers Northern-stop label Epirus. Ministry of Foreign Affairs is afraid to use the name of Northern Epirus. Therefore, we are very proud as a party, and I personally, which forced Deputy / Minister of Foreign Affairs of Greece, Mr. Ciara, accept the Greek Parliament hall and speak the name of Northern Epirus. Furthermore, answering our questions, Mr.. Ciara said that he is Northern Epiriot. Because we believe that the Greek government is sold to foreign interests to international usurers, to borxhdhënësit and amerikanistët, consider our own achievement, though the talks 'off recorder', to the Minister of Foreign Affairs has confirmed that Northern Epirus us is in our hearts and we do what we can for such situations! Can not more! 3-If Northern Epirus is Hellenic land and you consider this a historical injustice, for example made in the Treaty of Versailles, how do you think this historical error corrected according to you? There is only an assertion Northern Epirus is Greek. This not raised as a question. If you want to discuss, and have no problem, has a history of over 3 thousand years of Greek presence in these lands, BC. Monuments, language, population, history itself belies any case, every thought otherwise. Albania Albanian national awareness Consciousness is a phenomenon, which appeared at the beginning or the end of the 19th century, even if you want appeared in the early 20th century and is a national consciousness imposed by major powers such as Italy or Austria - Hungary. Was supported as a nation in foreign footprint, have not stolen your mark. Your hero is Jorgjo National Kastriotis, a feudal medieval Greek Hellenism. Your former King Zog throne successor grandfather, Mr. Alexander, admits in his interview in 1931 as follows: "I agree that in fact within the realm of Greek Albanians there are still places like Korce, Himara, Dhrovjan , Gjirokastra and others. See today Prince Leka, a descendant of the Albanians, and if wrong not implicated in arms trafficking. Look so ordinary smuggler, who had shamefulness recent months, at the inauguration of a memorial Bird in Tirana, to declare that the borders between Albania and Greece should be reviewed. Unfortunately populations in northern Greece have populations consisting of Greeks who changed their faith, changed and benefited a false national consciousness as well would be able to not only Northern Epirus, but also throughout Albania to be a suburb or a suburb of Greece. 4 Mr. Papas, as you said Skanderbeg is of Greek origin, and Albanians who speak English are Greek and then are Albanize. Is there Albanian nation according to you, or is it just a fairytale? Will you give me your email and will gladly send you some links to studies, books and other articles which I published last decades on Skanderbeg, who is a great Greek hero, Jorgjos Kastrotis his story. 5 Recently on the occasion of the 100 anniversary of the Republic of Albania, the Albanian prime minister once said that Nigeria was thought of Presevo in Preveza. What is your opinion to Prime Minister Sali Berisha? Mr. Berisha probably refers to a sport, which of course is forbidden by the Muslim religion. Obviously pi. These are unacceptable statements and we do not discuss. Surely sin is not for Mr. Berisha. Sin is for the Greek side because when we ask about the matter take unacceptable response by Greek government officials who tell us that these statements are mainly for internal use and is pre-election speech of Mr. Berisha. We know that Mr. Berisha, his supporters, as well as psychopath Mr Rama, who had shamefulness make similar statements in the center of Athens, in a activity Sporting palace, trumbetojnë a general tendency of populations there, so your peoples, who showed historic journey that did not know how to keep the faith, but also their achievement and the largest single combat looting. I felt very well, since they will ask at some point the law of war between Greece and Albania, felt very well as Greeks in 1940 when he was the first and only time that the Albanians were introduced in Greek lands, with limits of then. Albanian was a platoon who were on the side of the Italians that were introduced and fought on Greek soil some betja which lasted only 24 hours until they reached the point that courageous Greek army to drop into the sea these enemies. And I say that in the hands of the Golden Dawn is a flag. It's a long story how it has fallen into the hands of the Golden Dawn flag. Can do a whole show on this issue, probably does not exist in Tirana war museum if you could call so between quotes. It ferti flag, it is up to the Greeks. Albanians will not ever get. 6 This has been flagged as Albanians occupied by fascist Italy. This is not naturally Albanian flag or not. It fashisto flag-Albanian ... The same things Albanians did in 1940 with this flag, the same things teksualisht, because people do not change, is the same. Celebrated recently and I was last Sunday in Konitsa anniversary of the Battle of Konitsa. In that battle the fighters of the army and the police fought Greek communists who had their driver Albania. There is no connection if this flag is a fascist, or if the helmet of Skanderbeg here, or if there is a star or no star. This is a steal flag. Have stolen eagle two proud biznatine, red and black are our colors. This flag have in our offices. It Byzantine flag with eagle two proud. You build a fake. You steal heroes, color and flamunj and try to prove that you state. Unfortunately there are state. With this push to make state, as it did at the beginning of the century, the same thing happens and now. Currently you have shoulder Turks and Americans have raised their heads. Now you have the joy that has fallen communism, you can have capitalism coca cola, can have beautiful cars which unfortunately are from crime and hashish. Now switch good, applauding American, steal and hour hand, because as we say before del soul and then attachment. Attachment of robbery can not escape. So then would weep and you. 7-In Albania, recently there has been a phenomenon. The ruling Justice, Integration and Unity Idrizi Rescue, which is Cham origin, deposited in the Parliament a resolution seeking the return of property seized from 60 years in Greece, they say pretext or reason because collaboration in wartime Italian Greek. What do you think would happen if the Albanian Parliament approved the resolution and a there Chameria and a Cham issue? As a member of the Greek Parliament, but especially as a patriot, the last thing that interested me was what meant the Albanian Parliament. We have on our side, history, blood, god, Jesus Christ himself. As we speak for Chameria or Cham issue as you say, for us it is a nonexistent issue and unfortunately discussed at this time. If you answer is a matter that is resolved once and for all in the period 1944 - '45 by courageous and skillful strategist, Napeolon Zervas with his army. The few local Muslim residents collaborated with the enemy against the Greeks and took the right answer. There are Greek in any case. Hit and fought Greece and that the earth does not belong. It is ground and only to the Greeks. 8 You say that even those who speak English have been Greek and then are Albanize. In your opinion is there or the Albanian nation is an invention? There is a great ideological division, if you have studied, between nation and state. For example in the United States are not a nation. Our ideology has great significance tribal existence. The nation relies on blood to the tribe, to race. As for the Albanian national consciousness in recent years, Albanian different pseudo-scientists have launched a propaganda campaign and does not exceed the week that do not run a pseudo-scientific new book who tonifikon, feeds, Albanian etnicizmin. 9-A race exists Albanian? Look. Regarding the origin of Albanian tribe if we could call the Albanian tribe, because as I said is a konglamerat populations who are entirely Greek origin, although may have lost their national consciousness. And that for us is very rëndësisshme because we have to be Greek blood in consciousness 100 percent. Therefore, one of our slogans heard in central organize rallies is reportedly being sung: There the Albanian (Skipetar) will never become a Greek. o o. There are many theories about the birth of the Albanian state, the origin of the populations living in the northwest of Greece, in Albania. Indicate Albano theories of ancient Rome, ancient Illyrians indicate a refractory barbarian tribe, which inherently belonging to the group of Greek tribes. To bring back to the era of King Piro. Others also speak Arvanon the Caucasus. There are many theories. I will stay only in the fact that Albania today really there is a whole industry publications and tonifikim Albanian etnicizmit, which exists in every party. Major role in creating a national consciousness different in these populations that want to be called Bangladesh played today and the issue of religion. Many Orthodox Christians of the Middle Ages, after Murat sieges, later Muhammad changed faith. Even great leaders family itself Jorgjos Kastriotis, people under the rule of the Turks, were already Muslims as was his nephew Hamza, etc.. 10-How do you think the future, the present and the next day the Greek-Albanian relations and ye gave me no answer to Northern Epirus. If Northern Epirus is Greek land is now on the borders of the Albanian state, or practical solution is the only solution and rhetoric romantic? ... There will be peace or tension between Albania and Greece? Look tension is life itself. In no case are not warlike without reason. But, the story continues to the right of the fittest, but also in partial agreement with the order not to eat each other. Be assured that as a party and as Greeks have always in mind the solution to the question of Northern Epirus. So the only solution to the issue of Northern Epirus formulated: Freedom in Northern Epirus. If this means and the Greek army in Northern Epirus, then the Greek army will be in Northern Epirus. I know this. May at this moment be listened to Greece, you media people and can also be a reality, experiencing a period of economic crisis, there are economic problems, but I know that the Greek armed forces are far more powerful Albania's armed forces. It is a matter of judgment and not of war. The armed forces exist in every state as pressure lever. 11-If that is the relationship built on relations policy of the hosts or there is no military solution? ... We both NATO countries, NATO members ... I'm talking beyond NATO. Albania must honor its signature and this means that it must implement the Protocol of Corfu, which gives autonomy to Northern Epirus. This would be an important step to alleviate any problems that exist in the Greek-Albanian relations. Be given autonomy and signed by you, Northern Epirus. It is an agreement which is in force, there needs to be applied. I want to tell you that there is a law of war between Albania and Greece. Martial law is not repealed by a Papoulias statement, or a statement of the Foreign Minister. Martial law voted by the parliament and is not officially abolished and therefore are at war. This flag was shamefulness to attack Greece. We are still at war. 12 - This is one of the few things that we agree that the law of war is and should be voted in the Greek Parliament. I had a question, does your analysis and ideas are objects less historical reality now is not only Nigeria, but there is another country that is Kosovo Albanian. Indeed the Hellenic Republic has not recognized Kosovo, but the Albanians who you consider a mythical concept that is not stretched in the Balkans, how do you see this thing? Once said robbery is the craft of Albanians came to rape, murder and theft. So they came to us and instead kissed the hand that gave you bread bitten him. So came this population group. 50 percent of the criminals that are in Greek jails are Albanians, have created the Albanian mafia in Greece, live and reign, do whatever they want, have found a Greece unfortunately vrreshtë without God, which does not properly police function. Do not operate services, does not the military, and shamefulness within Greece itself to express views and to speak in the stadiums for Greater Albania. Deceive ourselves, and if Greece is not at war with Albania, as said by Mr. Arthur Golden Dawn in a state of war with Albania! 13-Do you think there is a need to have your party subsidiaries in Albania since at least half of Albania Greek land is your opinion? Our problem as Golden Dawn is not in any way party. Northern Epirus problem for us is ethnic. If you open a subsidiary in Korca, Gjirokastra Himarë or will not open to get votes, do not care, we are interested in the development, freedom, people feel safe. So we are interested Northern Epirotes and Northern Epirus. 14 - What if the Albanian government will stop you if Young Patriots Club or other forces which recognize Albania and think your thoughts extremist ... what would happen? Berisha claims Prevezen imagine give you half of Albania ... _Bëni A big mistake. I did not say that Northern Epirus is Greek. Since I love history, I told you that story taking place and if anyone wants to read and understand the true history does not exist in Albania. In fact there is a Northern Greek Epirus, in fact all of Albania should be a Greek province. But we can find a point of understanding. Can if you are looking for a huge apology for what you did against Greece. To claim deed, not only in wartime, but what you have made in recent years by committing crimes against Greeks in towns and villages. We were able to find an area of understanding, if put into practice Corfu protocol, which gives autonomy of Northern Epirus and then we will have the opportunity to live peacefully, beautifully. Get a visa every time they want to make tourism in Greece and not to get workdays Greeks. Do not you just blame you. Blame the Greeks who hire Albanians and unfortunately many of them are killed or robbed. Let us have care. 15 Given that you think not only half of Albania, but Albania is Greece, so there are no Albanians and Greek are just forgotten, we can say why you have such great irritation to the fact that Albanians come to Greece. It is as if the Greeks forgot to come to Greece in their country? When you learn to ask forgiveness for your crimes, not only then, but also crimes, the present, we are and will be a warm lap. 16-The Albanians have committed crimes ... I have no connection with the crimes. The Albanian government should apologize? _Flas Sea borders. Smell and canceled oil firm. An agreement had advanced back. Also how would you react to the Greek government statements Albanians insist raise the issue through negotiations. Under these statements come the answers. On the Greek side raised the issue that does not satisfy us as a party, a very thin which means that Greece will present unilaterally in the UN maps maritime borders with neighboring countries. Will give some coordinates and based on these coordinates UN gentlemen Greece considers that these are its borders. This is its maritime territory. Only from this movement, which Greece has a right to do, so says the UN, these are my boundaries, my nuts reaches here, there is something terrible. Just that was enough to make explosive statements by Albanian party, by Rama and Berisha, the Albanian press break reaching extreme targets with extreme response. So who puts dynamite climate, Greece or Albania. 15 Given that you think not only half of Albania, but Albania is Greece, so there are no Albanians and Greek are just forgotten, we can say why you have such great irritation to the fact that Albanians come to Greece. It is as if the Greeks forgot to come to Greece in their country? When you learn to ask forgiveness for your crimes, not only then, but also crimes, the present, we are and will be a warm lap.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 31, 2013 20:55:42 GMT -5
15 Given that you think not only half of Albania, but Albania is Greece, so there are no Albanians and Greek are just forgotten, we can say why you have such great irritation to the fact that Albanians come to Greece. It is as if the Greeks forgot to come to Greece in their country? When you learn to ask forgiveness for your crimes, not only then, but also crimes,
the present, we are and will be a warm lap.
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 31, 2013 21:13:07 GMT -5
4 Mr. Papas, as you said Skanderbeg is of Greek origin, and Albanians who speak English are Greek and then are Albanize. Is there Albanian nation according to you, or is it just a fairytale?
lol... lol just lol
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 31, 2013 21:18:34 GMT -5
15 Given that you think not only half of Albania, but Albania is Greece, so there are no Albanians and Greek are just forgotten, we can say why you have such great irritation to the fact that Albanians come to Greece. It is as if the Greeks forgot to come to Greece in their country? When you learn to ask forgiveness for your crimes, not only then, but also crimes,
the present, we are and will be a warm lap.
I wonder when will Greeks forgive tourkoalbanians for slaughtering Greeks during ottoman times? The mudslim albanian henchmen did so much damage even to other christian albanians... it's times like this I would like to take Doukdoukas face and push it in a toilet full of chit...and don't get me started about those coksucking chams and the collaborating they did with the enemy..
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 31, 2013 22:04:17 GMT -5
4 Mr. Papas, as you said Skanderbeg is of Greek origin, and Albanians who speak English are Greek and then are Albanize. Is there Albanian nation according to you, or is it just a fairytale? lol... lol just lol Albania is an artificially created state and all of Albania is a Greek province Regarding the origin of Albanian tribe if we could call the Albanian tribe, because as I said is a konglamerat populations who are entirely of Greek origin, although may have lost their national consciousness. greek voice.. but stay Greek by blood in consciousness 100 percent. The anti Hellenic Albanian journalist, Artur Zheji, watching all the time speechless and stunned the statements of Mr. Pappas. I guess the truth is bitter for the Albanian journalist, he does not blame anyone but himself challenged him ...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 31, 2013 22:21:04 GMT -5
everything the Church taught you is not true
don't be like the serbs with their cleric written epic poems
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Post by dukeduka on Jan 31, 2013 22:32:52 GMT -5
15 Given that you think not only half of Albania, but Albania is Greece, so there are no Albanians and Greek are just forgotten, we can say why you have such great irritation to the fact that Albanians come to Greece. It is as if the Greeks forgot to come to Greece in their country? When you learn to ask forgiveness for your crimes, not only then, but also crimes,
the present, we are and will be a warm lap.
I was told this is a sort of manifesto of Shehu, Bocari and Xhavela. Worms like Papas and Zervas cannot not jeopardize the saint alliance between Albanians ans Arvanites. Tung
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 31, 2013 22:40:56 GMT -5
I wonder when will Greeks forgive tourkoalbanians for slaughtering Greeks during ottoman times? The mudslim albanian henchmen did so much damage even to other christian albanians... it's times like this I would like to take Doukdoukas face and push it in a toilet full of chit...and don't get me started about those coksucking chams and the collaborating they did with the enemy.. If the Greeks one day attack Albania for the anti-Greek feelings the TurkalbanoChams are quilty for these War threat --- !!
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 31, 2013 23:15:42 GMT -5
I was told this is a sort of manifesto of Shehu, Bocari and Xhavela. Worms like Papas and Zervas cannot not jeopardize the saint alliance between Albanians ans Arvanites. Tung An example for 4 you smart guy ! Arvanitica is closer to Greek than Albanian !! ZEYS ZEY ZOT Greek Arvanitica Albanian Zefs Zef Zot
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 1, 2013 7:24:33 GMT -5
I was told this is a sort of manifesto of Shehu, Bocari and Xhavela. Worms like Papas and Zervas cannot not jeopardize the saint alliance between Albanians ans Arvanites. Tung An example for 4 you smart guy ! Arvanitica is closer to Greek than Albanian !! ZEYS ZEY ZOT Greek Arvanitica Albanian Zefs Zef Zot Kaplan Resulovic methodology. Amateur logic of thinking and not professional. If Arvanitika is closer to Greece, do honour the Arberesh, the people that gave you freedom. Make Arvanitika an second official language in Greece.
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Post by atdhetar on Feb 1, 2013 7:46:02 GMT -5
what is arvanitika? there is no such language known as gheg or tosk, a regional dialect does not constitute a stand alone language, arvanitika is an albanian dialect.
didn't arvanitika miss out by 3 votes for the official greek language?
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