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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 0:44:46 GMT -5
he Ghica family ( Romanian: Ghica, Greek: Gikas, Γκίκαs) were a Romanian noble family, active in Wallachia, Moldavia and in the Kingdom of Romania. In the 18th century, several branches of the family went through a process of Hellenization (into the Phanariote social network). The Ghicas also held the ( agnatic) rank of Princes of the Holy Roman Empire ( Fürst), a title first bestowed upon Grigore II Ghica in 1673 by Leopold IOriginsThe family's origins are not clear and there isn't yet a consensus among scholars. An Albanian[1] has long been suggested, while others argue for an Aromanian origin.[2] Thus, on the one hand, a legend - full of Oriental charm, historical inaccuracies and anachronisms - transmitted by the Moldavian chronicler Ion Neculce speaks[3] about two poor boys destined to greatness, meeting on the road to Constantinople, and who promise mutual support in the future to come: one is an "Arbëreshë" ("an Albanian" or "a speaker of Albanian", merchant multilingualism notwithstanding) standing in for Gheorghe Ghica, the founder of the Ghica family, while on the other is a "Turk from Cyprus" - the founder of the Köprülü family.[2]
<dl><dd> "Köprülü" is also the Turkish name of a town in the Republic of Macedonia known as Veles.</dd></dl> <dl><dd> The town of Vezirköprü in north-central Turkey, formerly named only as Köprü (bridge ), whence the name of Köprülü family, holds its present name -literally vizier's bridge- from the same family.</dd></dl> The Köprülü family (Turkish: Köprülü ailesi) was a noble family of Albanian origin in the Ottoman Empire.[1][2] The family provided six Grand Viziers, (including Kara Mustafa Pasha who was a stepson) with several others becoming high-ranking officers. Notable modern descendants include Mehmet Fuat Köprülü, a prominent historian of Turkish literature. Members of the family continue to live in Turkey or the United States. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghica_family#cite_note-observatorcultural.ro-2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6pr%C3%BCl%C3%BC_family www.observatorcultural.ro/Dor-de-Dunare-si-alte-nostalgii-cosmopolite*articleID_20309-articles_details.html
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 7:19:05 GMT -5
Yes, and your point is? Do you think this is news? You could also google Vasile Lupu where you're at it. As for the Ghica family, I believe one of their most prominent members were offered to become the first Albanian president, but he turned down the offer because he identified himself as Romanian. You see, although the family traced its origins to Albania, along the centuries they intermarried with Romanians. Not that that should matter, though. Good people should be given Romanian citizenship on the spot.
The rest can stay in KosovA.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 9:40:41 GMT -5
Yes, and your point is? Do you think this is news? You could also google Vasile Lupu where you're at it. As for the Ghica family, I believe one of their most prominent members were offered to become the first Albanian president, but he turned down the offer because he identified himself as Romanian. You see, although the family traced its origins to Albania, along the centuries they intermarried with Romanians. Not that that should matter, though. Good people should be given Romanian citizenship on the spot. The rest can stay in KosovA. Really, is that the reason why they should be considered Romanian, because you ve been told that one member of the Gjika family turned down the proposal to be the Albanian President? So who asked him to be one, and who actually was the one who got the proposal? The influence of the Gjika family was not the same after it last rulers was in power. The last Prince of Wallachia was Alexandru II Ghica: 1834-1842. And the last Prince of Moldavia was Grigore Alexandru Ghica: 1849-1853 and 1854–1856. Meanwhile the first state of Albania was created in 1912. (This is the earliest time, because prior to that Albania was under the Ottomans therefore no proposal for president .) So I don t really think that the Albanian from the noble family of Gjika might have turned down the proposal to be Albanian president. But even if he did so, not everybody is cut up of statesmanship. (Usually when people are given opportunities like this, they jump and grab it right away.) William, Prince of Albania; Otto of Greece, George I of Greece; Carol I of Romania; none of them were neither Albanians, Romanians nor Greeks, but the first time they had the chance to be princes they got it right away. Yes it is true they worked hard for they princedoms, but this did not change their blood roots.
After all, the monarchs identity and power is based on their bloodline (the blue blood).
If someone asked you to be the Albanian president wouldn t you have chosen to be one?(I know the answer of this question, it is a rhetorical question by the way)
You support your ideas in a very weak way, also known as the Greek style. That is what they say about Arbanites too. Arbanites were Greeks because they felt they were so.
I want to know, how did you actually measure this feeling of belonging.
How sure are you Gjikajt felt more Romanian than Arberesh? Or Arbanites are more Greeks than Arbers (Arbanites and Arber is the same thing by the way)
----So your philosophy is that all the Albanians who feel Romanians are good people and be given citizenship, and the rest stay in Northern Albania (also known as Kosovo)?
Listen babe, you cannot say you like Albanians and you dislike Albanians that live in Northern Albania (Kosovo). You either like someone or you don t.
Me personally I do like the Romanians, but I like more to see a Free Transylvania. And i like the people of Transylvania as much as like the other that live on the other parts of Romania, i just like Transylvania to be free.
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 10:10:31 GMT -5
Yes, and your point is? Do you think this is news? You could also google Vasile Lupu where you're at it. As for the Ghica family, I believe one of their most prominent members were offered to become the first Albanian president, but he turned down the offer because he identified himself as Romanian. You see, although the family traced its origins to Albania, along the centuries they intermarried with Romanians. Not that that should matter, though. Good people should be given Romanian citizenship on the spot. The rest can stay in KosovA. Really, is that the reason why they should be considered Romanian, because you ve been told that one member of the Gjika family turned down the proposal to be the Albanian President? So who asked him to be one, and who actually was the one who got the proposal? The influence of the Gjika family was not the same after it last rulers was in power. The last Prince of Wallachia was Alexandru II Ghica: 1834-1842. And the last Prince of Moldavia was Grigore Alexandru Ghica: 1849-1853 and 1854–1856. Meanwhile the first state of Albania was created in 1912. (This is the earliest time, because prior to that Albania was under the Ottomans therefore no proposal for president .) So I don t really think that the Albanian from the noble family of Gjika might have turned down the proposal to be Albanian president. But even if he did so, not everybody is cut up of statesmanship. (Usually when people are given opportunities like this, they jump and grab it right away.) William, Prince of Albania; Otto of Greece, George I of Greece; Carol I of Romania; none of them were neither Albanians, Romanians nor Greeks, but the first time they had the chance to be princes they got it right away. Yes it is true they worked hard for they princedoms, but this did not change their blood roots.
After all, the monarchs identity and power is based on their bloodline (the blue blood).
If someone asked you to be the Albanian president wouldn t you have chosen to be one?(I know the answer of this question, it is a rhetorical question by the way)
You support your ideas in a very weak way, also known as the Greek style. That is what they say about Arbanites too. Arbanites were Greeks because they felt they were so.
I want to know, how did you actually measure this feeling of belonging.
How sure are you Gjikajt felt more Romanian than Arberesh? Or Arbanites are more Greeks than Arbers (Arbanites and Arber is the same thing by the way)
----So your philosophy is that all the Albanians who feel Romanians are good people and be given citizenship, and the rest stay in Northern Albania (also known as Kosovo)?
Listen babe, you cannot say you like Albanians and you dislike Albanians that live in Northern Albania (Kosovo). You either like someone or you don t.
Me personally I do like the Romanians, but I like more to see a Free Transylvania. And i like the people of Transylvania as much as like the other that live on the other parts of Romania, i just like Transylvania to be free.
Are you a god damn retard? Why do you make certain letters of what you see as keywords, bold? You want to see a free Transylvania. Okay, but what would be against the wish of the Transylvanians, who voted join Romania. So you want to take away their choice of freedom. I can say that I like certain kinds of people and dislike other kinds of people. There's no contradiction in that statement. For instance, I don't like retards that much. The Ghica family is quite large and their members had different identities throughout the centuries--apart from the Romanian identity, some identified themselves as Aromanian (and viewed themselves as cousins to Romanians), whereas some identified themselves as Greek, and only later, as Albanian. I couldn't care less if they were all Albanian. What's annoying me is that retarded Albanians see this as a merit of their own, which isn't. These people married Greek and Romanian aristocrats, and they bred an intelligent and beautiful lineage. Kosovares on the other hand ... meh, there wasn't much selectiveness there. If you had big ears, you were seen as a great promise. No thanks, stay in that dumpster of yours, although if by any mistake there are still some good-looking and intelligent people there, we'll have them. Thanks in advance.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 11:23:42 GMT -5
Really, is that the reason why they should be considered Romanian, because you ve been told that one member of the Gjika family turned down the proposal to be the Albanian President? So who asked him to be one, and who actually was the one who got the proposal? The influence of the Gjika family was not the same after it last rulers was in power. The last Prince of Wallachia was Alexandru II Ghica: 1834-1842. And the last Prince of Moldavia was Grigore Alexandru Ghica: 1849-1853 and 1854–1856. Meanwhile the first state of Albania was created in 1912. (This is the earliest time, because prior to that Albania was under the Ottomans therefore no proposal for president .) So I don t really think that the Albanian from the noble family of Gjika might have turned down the proposal to be Albanian president. But even if he did so, not everybody is cut up of statesmanship. (Usually when people are given opportunities like this, they jump and grab it right away.) William, Prince of Albania; Otto of Greece, George I of Greece; Carol I of Romania; none of them were neither Albanians, Romanians nor Greeks, but the first time they had the chance to be princes they got it right away. Yes it is true they worked hard for they princedoms, but this did not change their blood roots.
After all, the monarchs identity and power is based on their bloodline (the blue blood).
If someone asked you to be the Albanian president wouldn t you have chosen to be one?(I know the answer of this question, it is a rhetorical question by the way)
You support your ideas in a very weak way, also known as the Greek style. That is what they say about Arbanites too. Arbanites were Greeks because they felt they were so.
I want to know, how did you actually measure this feeling of belonging.
How sure are you Gjikajt felt more Romanian than Arberesh? Or Arbanites are more Greeks than Arbers (Arbanites and Arber is the same thing by the way)
----So your philosophy is that all the Albanians who feel Romanians are good people and be given citizenship, and the rest stay in Northern Albania (also known as Kosovo)?
Listen babe, you cannot say you like Albanians and you dislike Albanians that live in Northern Albania (Kosovo). You either like someone or you don t.
Me personally I do like the Romanians, but I like more to see a Free Transylvania. And i like the people of Transylvania as much as like the other that live on the other parts of Romania, i just like Transylvania to be free.
Are you a god damn retard? Why do you make certain letters of what you see as keywords, bold? You want to see a free Transylvania. Okay, but what would be against the wish of the Transylvanians, who voted join Romania. So you want to take away their choice of freedom. I can say that I like certain kinds of people and dislike other kinds of people. There's no contradiction in that statement. For instance, I don't like retards, that much. The Ghica family is quite large and their members had different identities throughout the centuries--apart from the Romanian identity, some identified themselves as Aromanian (and viewed themselves as cousins to Romanians), whereas some identified themselves as Greek, and only later, as Albanian. I couldn't care less if they were all Albanian. What's annoying me is that retarded Albanians see this as a merit of their own, which isn't. These people married Greek and Romanian aristocrats, and they bred an intelligent and beautiful lineage. Kosovares on the other hand ... meh, there wasn't much selectiveness there. If you had big ears, you were seen as a great promise. No thanks, stay in that dumpster of yours, although if by any mistake there are still some good-looking and intelligent people there, we'll have them. Thanks in advance. I am not retarded, I actually am an above average intelligent Albanian person. And being so, this makes me slightly above the intelligence of the high intelligence version of a Romanian folk. (Get it? Let me know if you don t.) If you re curious to know, a çoban^s intelligence who lives in Albania is higher than the intelligence of a Romanian diplomat. (If you dont believe me you can came and ask the çobans yourself.) The çobans introduced the art of kaçkavall making in nowadays Albania. While living amongst Albanians the çobans learned the art of survival, power, fighting, strategy, and intellectually thinking. And these are some of the reasons they choose to live in the territories of nowadays Ethic Albania and not Romania. So basically, if you really think that you re smart enough, you have to be able and prove yourself that your intelligence level is in the similar level with the one of a çoban who lives in Albanian territories.(you don t necessarily have to know how to make kaçkavall) The people of Northern Albania (Kosovo) love their freedom as much as the people of Transylvania do. And if a Romanian like yourself denies the Northern Albanians freedom, then unfortunately there is nothing else left for me but do my best to take away the freedom of Transylvania by shouting and supporting their independence.(Now, maybe not everyone in Transylvania might not want to live in a Free Transylvania, but I will support only those who do - and believe me, I know there are some of them) However..... If there would be any good-looking or intelligent people (like Gjikajt) and when the time will be right, we will be there either you want us or not. Yeah ok, we ll try to look as Romanian as we can, but somehow we will achieve our objectives. (we ll do not very much different from what the Gjika did) Now I know you do not care less about Gjika, there is no need for you to acknowledge it. After all you re a Wallachian and Gjikajt were Arberesh. Now, sincerely speaking this threat was created after I saw yours dedicated to the Albanian anthem music created by Mr. Ciprian Porumbescu. You claimed as your achievement this fact and on the same time try to make me look like I claim my own achievement the success of Gjika. Now Gjika whatever they did, they did it for their own blood. I take pride on my own things. You on the other hand take pride on a compositor (which by the way was not necessarily a Romanian but a Polak indeed) Yes Mr.Porumbescu (or Mr. Golembiovski - his polish name) did create the anthem of Albania, but its achievement cannot go any further. It stays on the musical level. Do you really want to compare a noble family with Arberesh origin with a Polish musician? Well of course you do, there is nothing else for you to compare.
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 11:42:34 GMT -5
Porumbescu was Romanian, although he had some Polish origins, much like I do. Again, what's your point? You retarded or something?
I don't think there was a single member of the Ghica family that identified themselves as Albanian, although there were a few who believed in Albanian lineage theory. Of course they didn't work for their "blood", because for starters the Albanian theory was presented quite late, and then then they identified themselves as Romanian, not to say that they were partially Romanian by blood (if we are to use your expression). And even if they were to be fully Albanian (which they weren't), they wouldn't reason like a Kosovare peasant, because most of the Ghicas were liberals, they were intellectuals. But if you're so interested in their history, go ahead and read their books that deal with the history of their family. Or would you like to keep your passion on a superficial level?
I couldn't care less about Kosovo being independent or under Serbia, it's still junk irregardless of its political status. You can go ahead and support Transylvanian independence. Yes, there are a few who support Transylvanian independence ... actually, there are some who even want the state of Romania dissolved, so why not support them? I'm sure it will take you far enough. I mean, this struggle has only been gone for, let's see, more than 700 years? First they wanted to destroy Wallachia, then Moldavia, then when they lost Transylvania, so they tried to occupy it, then we occupied their whole country for a year (we did it on our own, we didn't call 911 USA-please-help-us-because-we're-pussies).
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 11:58:07 GMT -5
Porumbescu was Romanian, although he had some Polish origins, much like I do. Again, what's your point? You retarded or something? I don't think there was a single member of the Ghica family that identified themselves as Albanian, although there were a few who believed in Albanian lineage theory. Of course they didn't work for their "blood", because for starters the Albanian theory was presented quite late, and then then they identified themselves as Romanian, not to say that they were partially Romanian by blood (if we are to use your expression). And even if they were to be fully Albanian (which they weren't), they wouldn't reason like a Kosovare peasant, because most of the Ghicas were liberals, they were intellectuals. But if you're so interested in their history, go ahead and read their books that deal with the history of their family. Or would you like to keep your passion on a superficial level? I couldn't care less about Kosovo being independent or under Serbia, it's still junk irregardless of its political status. You can go ahead and support Transylvanian independence. Yes, there are a few who support Transylvanian independence ... actually, there are some who even want the state of Romania dissolved, so why not support them? I'm sure it will take you far enough. I mean, this struggle has only been gone for, let's see, more than 700 years? First they wanted to destroy Wallachia, then Moldavia, then when they lost Transylvania, so they tried to occupy it, then we occupied their whole country for a year (we did it on our own, we didn't call 911 USA-please-help-us-because-we're-p**ies). Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm sorry, did you just say that you have a Polish origin? And on the same time you re talking about Wallachians, Transylvania, and noble families in Wallachia with Arberesh origin? (Arber is the same as Albanian by the way) OK there BYE BYE SLAV
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 12:04:47 GMT -5
Porumbescu was Romanian, although he had some Polish origins, much like I do. Again, what's your point? You retarded or something? I don't think there was a single member of the Ghica family that identified themselves as Albanian, although there were a few who believed in Albanian lineage theory. Of course they didn't work for their "blood", because for starters the Albanian theory was presented quite late, and then then they identified themselves as Romanian, not to say that they were partially Romanian by blood (if we are to use your expression). And even if they were to be fully Albanian (which they weren't), they wouldn't reason like a Kosovare peasant, because most of the Ghicas were liberals, they were intellectuals. But if you're so interested in their history, go ahead and read their books that deal with the history of their family. Or would you like to keep your passion on a superficial level? I couldn't care less about Kosovo being independent or under Serbia, it's still junk irregardless of its political status. You can go ahead and support Transylvanian independence. Yes, there are a few who support Transylvanian independence ... actually, there are some who even want the state of Romania dissolved, so why not support them? I'm sure it will take you far enough. I mean, this struggle has only been gone for, let's see, more than 700 years? First they wanted to destroy Wallachia, then Moldavia, then when they lost Transylvania, so they tried to occupy it, then we occupied their whole country for a year (we did it on our own, we didn't call 911 USA-please-help-us-because-we're-p**ies). Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm sorry, did you just say that you have a Polish origin? And on the same time you re talking about Wallachians, Transylvania, and noble families in Wallachia with Arberesh origin? (Arber is the same as Albanian by the way) OK there BYE BYE SLAV You god damn retard. I said I have Polish origins, as in partially Polish origins. The same can be said about several members of the Ghica family: when they intermarried with Romanian aristocrats, they also got Polish origins, because those aristocrats had intermarried with Poles, or Russians, or Ukrainians. Much like the Skanderbeg family intermarried with Serb aristocrats. The only people who never intermarried with anyone are the Kosovare peasants, which is why you look like you've been interbreeding for a millennia. In this regard, you are superior, indeed. Good-bye to you as well!
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 12:38:20 GMT -5
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm sorry, did you just say that you have a Polish origin? And on the same time you re talking about Wallachians, Transylvania, and noble families in Wallachia with Arberesh origin? (Arber is the same as Albanian by the way) OK there BYE BYE SLAV You god damn retard. I said I have Polish origins, as in partially Polish origins. The same can be said about several members of the Ghica family: when they intermarried with Romanian aristocrats, they also got Polish origins, because those aristocrats had intermarried with Poles, or Russians, or Ukrainians. Much like the Skanderbeg family intermarried with Serb aristocrats. The only people who never intermarried with anyone are the Kosovare peasants, which is why you look like you've been interbreeding for a millennia. In this regard, you are superior, indeed. Good-bye to you as well! OK Zebra BYE BYE. Make sure you keep the good genes during the interbreeding.
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 13:11:57 GMT -5
What's your problem? Are you pissed because, unlike so many Albanians, my family didn't mix with Turks? It just happened that way....
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Post by ZhosDiletanti on Feb 24, 2013 13:39:20 GMT -5
What's your problem? Are you pissed because, unlike so many Albanians, my family didn't mix with Turks? It just happened that way.... Easy there cowboy, Turkish presence and settlement in Albania was minimal, certainly less so than our neighbors with fertile plains. Unless of course you are indulging in that favorite Balkan myth that muslim=turk, in which case by all means knock yourself out.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 13:52:15 GMT -5
What's your problem? Are you pissed because, unlike so many Albanians, my family didn't mix with Turks? It just happened that way.... My ancestors same like Gjika family believed in their blue monarch blood running in their veins. The pic. below is the reason why some Albanians who were under the Ottomans converted in Muslims otherwise they could have had the fate of these poor Orthodox folks.
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 14:14:26 GMT -5
Yes, indeed, they could've had the fate of those folks south of Danube. It still doesn't change the fact that a large part of the Albanians mixed with Turks, another part mixed with Greeks (Arvanites), those living in Italy intermarried with Italians, and those living in Romania intermarried with Romanians.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 14:55:04 GMT -5
Yes, indeed, they could've had the fate of those folks south of Danube. It still doesn't change the fact that a large part of the Albanians mixed with Turks, another part mixed with Greeks (Arvanites), those living in Italy intermarried with Italians, and those living in Romania intermarried with Romanians. There is nothing wrong with that if they have chosen to do so. I have not kept the registers of who was doing who, or which was marrying which. some did married outside their kin, and many others did not. Love does have any boundaries, there is nothing wrong with that. What is unacceptable and Wrong is the fact of trying to erase their ethnicity, their origin, their roots, their language and not recognizing them as minorities. And that s what has exactly happen in all of the above countries.
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 16:23:03 GMT -5
Yes, indeed, they could've had the fate of those folks south of Danube. It still doesn't change the fact that a large part of the Albanians mixed with Turks, another part mixed with Greeks (Arvanites), those living in Italy intermarried with Italians, and those living in Romania intermarried with Romanians. There is nothing wrong with that if they have chosen to do so. I have not kept the registers of who was doing who, or which was marrying which. some did married outside their kin, and many others did not. Love does have any boundaries, there is nothing wrong with that. What is unacceptable and Wrong is the fact of trying to erase their ethnicity, their origin, their roots, their language and not recognizing them as minorities. And that s what has exactly happen in all of the above countries. Are you sure that is what happened in Romania? I suggest you make your research. The Albanian minority are ensured representation in the Romanian parliament, they also have their own official site, why don't you contact them and ask them that question. Then get back to me. Here's the link to their site: www.alar.roWikipedia article about the Albanian minority of Romania: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_of_RomaniaIn fact, the Albanian community is more loyal to Romania than the Serbian community and many of them also identify themselves as Romanian (some of the Serbs badmouth us a little behind our back, but it's okay--we can take it). Perhaps you confused between Romania and the mindset that you find in the rest of the Balkans. It happens. Romania did have an assimilation policy that infringed on the rights of the Hungarian and to some extent, the Ukrainian minority in northern Bukovina, but that was rather short lived and it happened long ago.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 24, 2013 17:37:40 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with that if they have chosen to do so. I have not kept the registers of who was doing who, or which was marrying which. some did married outside their kin, and many others did not. Love does have any boundaries, there is nothing wrong with that. What is unacceptable and Wrong is the fact of trying to erase their ethnicity, their origin, their roots, their language and not recognizing them as minorities. And that s what has exactly happen in all of the above countries. Are you sure that is what happened in Romania? I suggest you make your research. The Albanian minority are ensured representation in the Romanian parliament, they also have their own official site, why don't you contact them and ask them that question. Then get back to me. Here's the link to their site: www.alar.roWikipedia article about the Albanian minority of Romania: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_of_RomaniaIn fact, the Albanian community is more loyal to Romania than the Serbian community and many of them also identify themselves as Romanian (some of the Serbs badmouth us a little behind our back, but it's okay--we can take it). Perhaps you confused between Romania and the mindset that you find in the rest of the Balkans. It happens. Romania did have an assimilation policy that infringed on the rights of the Hungarian and to some extent, the Ukrainian minority in northern Bukovina, but that was rather short lived and it happened long ago. It is not what you said about Gjika family
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Post by amateurs on Feb 24, 2013 23:53:03 GMT -5
It is not what I say about the Ghica family, it is what they themselves said about their origins. Some said this, others said that. The fact is that they mixed, another fact is that there's not consensus among scholars about their origins. Why would I care whether they originated from Albania or Macedonia? Even if the Ghicas were not of Albanian origin, there are many other prominent personalities in Romania that are of Albanian origin. The only thing that annoyed me is that you came here with that Balkan attitude, bragging about the Ghica being your own blood. As for my thread about the national anthem, that was in reply to a certain comment that called us degenerates, among other things.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 26, 2013 7:06:02 GMT -5
It is not what I say about the Ghica family, it is what they themselves said about their origins. Some said this, others said that. The fact is that they mixed, another fact is that there's not consensus among scholars about their origins. Why would I care whether they originated from Albania or Macedonia? Even if the Ghicas were not of Albanian origin, there are many other prominent personalities in Romania that are of Albanian origin. The only thing that annoyed me is that you came here with that Balkan attitude, bragging about the Ghica being your own blood. As for my thread about the national anthem, that was in reply to a certain comment that called us degenerates, among other things. Awwwwwww.... whoever did that is very very very bad person
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Post by amateurs on Feb 26, 2013 12:37:49 GMT -5
It is not what I say about the Ghica family, it is what they themselves said about their origins. Some said this, others said that. The fact is that they mixed, another fact is that there's not consensus among scholars about their origins. Why would I care whether they originated from Albania or Macedonia? Even if the Ghicas were not of Albanian origin, there are many other prominent personalities in Romania that are of Albanian origin. The only thing that annoyed me is that you came here with that Balkan attitude, bragging about the Ghica being your own blood. As for my thread about the national anthem, that was in reply to a certain comment that called us degenerates, among other things. Awwwwwww.... whoever did that is very very very bad person Not a bad person, just off the target ... like you. I'm ready to talk about degenerates and their big ears. And their skinny legs.
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Post by dukeduka on Feb 26, 2013 12:58:11 GMT -5
Awwwwwww.... whoever did that is very very very bad person Not a bad person, just off the target ... like you. I'm ready to talk about degenerates and their big ears. And their skinny legs. OK, but you have to prove first that your level of intelligence is higher that the one of the çoban.
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