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Post by Sokol on Jan 8, 2014 18:53:31 GMT -5
hey our maps are the same, maybe if southern Macedonia secedes from greece, we can create this state. Let's do it!
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 8, 2014 22:19:58 GMT -5
Northern Macedonia will be ceded to the Greek state which is belong to ancient Macedonia !
Chentovist we know that you south Slavs spend a lot of millions and Propaganda to falsifying Greek history steal greek Symbols- Fabricating a Fake Identity - and Fake culture.Tito created all those troubles with naming this south part of Yugoslavia "Macedonia", a name which belongs to the greek heritage. That was definitely a strategy to later absorb one part of Greece, I mean the greek and historic region of Macedonia. But this problem is mainly the fault of Greek politics who were sleeping during that period and let this provocation against Greek culture and history growing and growing with the years. Now Slavs are taking advantage of this big misunderstanding and I'm afraid [...]
Tito’s Socialist Republic of Macedonia (now FYROM) possess to be described as "Macedonians"? (b) What justification FYROM’s inhabitants have to claim "Macedonian" ethnicity in view of the fact half of their country, including Skopje, never belonged to King Philip’s historic Macedonia? (c) If the slavophones in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia were really Macedonians, why did they call themselves Bulgarians, fighting to incorporate Macedonia into Bulgaria, and why did they not assert their Macedonian identity for 75 years (1870-1944)?
1918." With these words, Yugoslavia’s imperialism for Greek Macedonia became stronger than ever, with the struggle assuming a dangerous new dimension for the stability of the Balkan Knowledgeable people, such as the Secretary of State Edward Stettinius in the Roosevelt Administration, knew that Tito’s new republic was formed on political criteria only and as a ploy to serve as a bridgehead for the virtual annexation of Hellenic Macedonia and the mutilation of Greece (Giannakos 1992; Woodhouse 1948, 1976). Comintern’s directive and the 1944 ASNOM declaration signaled a new phase of the struggle for Macedonia. For the 1940s, Tito’s Yugoslavia used every means available to it to violate the Treaty of Bucharest (signed in 1913): seditious propaganda, distortion of history, anthropological studies of dubious or prejudiced nature that never considered the existence of millions of Greek Macedonians; and an unprecedented international conspiracy and violations of international law to assist the Greek communists during the Greek Civil War for the price of snatching away parts or the entire Greek Macedonia. Macedonia was ravaged during the civil war, fueled by communist Albania, communist Bulgaria and especially communist Yugoslavia to which Skopje belonged For all the horrors and bloodshed, the Greek Civil War did not happen in a historical vacuum. It happened within the context of an unprecedented international conspiracy and grotesque violations of international law by the communist world (Averoff-Tosiza 1978; It was fueled by powerful communist organizations that threatened Greece’s territorial integrity by conspiring to cede Hellenic Macedonia to Tito’s People Republic of Macedonia. By 1943, Tito was displaying in his hideout a large map of Greater Macedonia, including Greek Macedonia and the Bulgarian Macedonia of Pirin. A new map published later (1946, at the beginning of the Greek Civil War) in Borba, the official newspaper of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, showed precisely Tito’s intentions on Greek Macedonia How did Tito and Yugoslavia manage to launch the Macedonization of Skopje and of the southernmost Yugoslav territory — known till 1944 as Vardarska Banovina — to forge a new nationality from a polyglot conglomerate of Slavs, Bulgarians, Albanians, Romanians, gypsies, Greeks, Turks and others and to convince the world that his reasons and methods for forging a new nationality were internationally sanctionable? How did Tito manage to deceive the international community of the Slavic Macedonian ethnicity’s legitimacy? First, he converted a part of the Vardar Province to People’s Republic of Macedonia within the Yugoslav federation, using the geographic name "Macedonia" as an ethnic name; second, he gave the people in the new republic a new language by modifying their Bulgarian dialect, giving it an alphabet — the dialect had no alphabet till 1945 — and calling it "Macedonian;"5 third, he created an artificial nationality by transforming the Slavs, Bulgarians, Albanians and others of the new republic to "Macedonians," and fourth, he created the schismatic "Macedonian" Church," not recognized by the Serbian Patriarchate to the present day. Greece remained silent for reasons of political expediency. Ethnologically, the new republic was always a fluid country inhabited by several ideologically contentious groups with ties to Albania, Bulgaria, or Serbia. The 1940 official Yugoslav census recognized only two ethnic groups in the Vardar Province, Slavs at 66 percent and Muslims at 31 percent. In 1946, three years after the formation of the People’s Republic of Macedonia, the Slavs magically disappeared from the census
To put the state-controlled "Macedonian" ethnogenesis in proper perspective, we need to go back to 1870 (the year of the Bulgarian religious restitution, the formation of the Exarchate) and trace the origin and sentiments of the FYROM slavophones and their ethnic transformations through the years (Koliopoulos 1995). They underwent several transformations before their final ethnic conversion to "Macedonians." They were Bulgarians from 1870 to 1913; South Slavs or serbianized Slavs from 1913 till the German army occupied Yugoslavia in 1941; Bulgarians again proudly brandishing Bulgarian flags during the occupation of South Serbia by the fascist Bulgarian army (a Hitler gift to Bulgaria for joining Nazi Germany during World War II); Yugoslav communist partisans during the occupation; and then communist "Macedonians" by 1944 with new roots, history and language. While Tito’s communist regime was being laid to rest with his death in 1980, what followed was the secession from Yugoslavia in 1991 of a small country, whose politicians decided to use the name Republika Makedonija for the newly independent state to tie its Slavic past with the glorious Macedonian history. To support the connection, FYROM propelled to the world a population amalgamation theory to show that its Slavic inhabitants are products of genetic blending of their ancestors — who arrived in the Balkans thousand years after Alexander’s death.
Alexander the Great was Greek, not Slavic, and Slavs and their language were nowhere near Alexander or his Macedonian homeland until 1000 years later.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 9, 2014 18:55:16 GMT -5
Macedonia became a Slavic territory 1500 years ago and the name Macedonia was owned by the Slavic inhabitants. The Greeks have Hellenized a large portion of Macedonia since 1913 by importing Orthodox Christians from Turkey in the 1920s and other measures.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 9, 2014 20:50:13 GMT -5
Macedonia, the cradle and shield of the Greeks, with its historic capitals of Aegeae, Pella and Thessaloniki,
THESSALONIKI
Thessaloniki, built in 315BC and Macedonia's third capital after Aegeae and Pella, was at that time the greatest administrative, commercial and cultural centre in the Balkans.
THEY ALL PROCLAIM THEIR GREEKNESS
Splendid monuments from the ancient, Hellenistic and Roman eras, which are constantly being brought to light by the farmer's plough or the archaeologist's pick, at Aegeae, Pella, Dion, Thessaloniki, Sindos, Derveni, Edessa, Veria, Levkadhia, Aeane, Olynthus, Potidaea, Amphipolis, Philippi, Argos Orestikon, Florina and as far north as Stobi, testify to the fact that Greeks were living in these places as early as the 3rd millenium BC and that it was the Greeks who created them.
THE BYZANTINE ERA
During the Byzantine era Thessaloniki became "Symvasilevousa" (joint capital), a centre and beacon of Hellenism which, with its Christian civilization, shed its radiance all over the Balkans and even further afield. At this time two of its sons, Cyril and Methodius, spread the light of Christ and Greece amongst the Slavs.
OTHER CENTRES OF MACEDONIAN HELLENISM
Throughout that thousand-year period Macedonia, along with other centres - Philippi, Serres, Melenikon and Stromnitsa to the east, Veria, Kastoria, Servia, Heraclea and Ochrid to the west, and Prilep and Velesa etc. to the north - was the powerful lungs of the Greek Empire of Byzantium.
THE SLAVS AND THE BULGARS
During the first decades of the 6th century AD the Balkans began to suffer the assaults of the Slavs, who lived in south-east Poland and White Russia and were slaves of the Avars. This is why they were called Sklavenoi, Sklavoi, Slavs. The Avars used the Slavs in their assaults on Byzantium. In so doing they opened up the way for them and whetted their appetite for predatory raids on Greek territories. In 681 AD the Danube was also crossed by the Bulgars, who established their own state between the Danube and the Balkan Peninsula, in Moesia.
GREEK MACEDONIA A TARGET
Since then Macedonia, with its fertile plains, warm beaches and, above all, its wealthy capital, has been the target of all these groups. Their conversion to the Christian faith, which took place in the 9th century, has not proved able to appease them. The last Slav invader Stephen Dusan divided his short-lived state into a northern section with the Serbian lands, about as far as Velesa, and a southern section with the Greek (as they were called) lands.
THE TURKS
During the 14th and 15th centuries virtually all of the Balkans were subjugated by the Turks. Legends, traditions and heroic songs tell of the resistance of the Macedonians against the Turks and the capture of the Macedonian castles. In this large and fertile area the conquerors established many powerful military centres, permanently settled many Turks and endeavoured to wipe out the Greek element.
FREEDOM STRUGGLES
In Macedonia the revolutionary movements started up at the same time as the country was subjugated. The Macedonian mountains became filled with klephts and also saw the appearance of the first Greek armatoloi.
AN ASTONISHING PERIOD OF PROSPERITY
During the period of Turkish rule many communities in Macedonia organized themselves in an exemplary fashion. In the 17th century these witnessed the beginning of an astonishing flourishing of economic and cultural life. During this period many Macedonians elevated themselves from persecuted serfs to become wealthy merchants, businessmen, bankers, scholars and nobles. They became national benefactors. They founded schools, libraries and public welfare institutions. They made a decisive contribution to the spiritual awakening and national resurrection of Modern Greece.
THE FIRST GREEK NEWSPAPER
In 1791 the Markides Pouliou brothers from Siatista published the first Greek newspaper. They printed the Great Map and the songs of Rhigas, together with whom other Macedonians were martyred in the cause of freedom.
A NOBLE PART OF GREECE
In 1714 the Frenchman P.Tarillon, who had lived for many years in Thessaloniki, called Macedonia "a noble part of Greece". The Macedonians of that time, with their splendid communities in Austro-Hungary, Moldovlachia, Russia etc. - centres of Greek education and civilization - were without question genuine Greeks; as Greeks they were honoured with titles and offices by foreigners and they were referred to as Greeks by history.
1821
In Macedonia there had been revolutionary movements in 1495, 1571, 1611, 1770 and 1809... Many Greek Macedonians were initiated into the Philike Etaireia and became leading activists. Yet in the Macedonian region every revolutionary movement was doomed. The uprising in Halkidiki, Mt. Olympus and Naoussa in 1821 and 1822 was bloodily suppressed. Many Macedonians fought in Moldovlachia and in Southern Greece.
FOR THE LIBERATION OF MACEDONIA
The Macedonians, continuing their struggle for freedom, rose up again in 1854, with Tsamis Karatasos in Halkidiki and Theodoros Ziakas in Western Macedonia. But these movements also failed. Yet the hope of liberation remained unextinguished.
THE WHOLE OF MACEDONIA IN GREECE
In 1867 the Serbs fought alongside the Greeks with the aim of liberating all the Christians in the Balkans. It was agreed that,if the Serbs gained Old Serbia, the whole of Macedonia would devolve to Greece.
But 1912 the Serbs managed to seize Greek Northern Macedonia to Serbia ??
On August 4, 1944, following up on Comintern’s directive anddefying history, Tito organized the first Anti-Fascist Assemblyof National Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM) at the monasteryof Prohor Pcinjsky, which proclaimed part of VardarskaBanovina (South Serbia) as the People’s Republic of Macedoniain the federated state of Yugoslavia (Poulton 1995, The founding declaration said: "You will succeed to unite all parts of Macedonia that the Balkanimperialists [Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs]occupied in 1913 and 1918." With these words, Yugoslavia’s imperialism for Greek Macedonia became stronger than ever, with the struggle assuming a dangerous new dimension for the stability of the Balkan. "Only communism could provide the theoretical base and the necessary force to push for a separate "Macedonian’ nation." Virtually from the beginning of communism’s encroach into the Balkans in the early 1920s the Macedonian Question — and the struggle for Macedonia — took on a different meaning and dangerous new dimensions. It all began as a communist controlled"Macedonian" ethnogenesis on August 1, 1941 with Comintern (Communist International), Stalin’s right-hand instrument, dispatching the following directive to Tito and Dimitrov, the communist leaders of Yugoslavia and Bulgaria,respectively (from Tsola Dragojceva, 1979): Macedonia must be attached to Yugoslavia for practical reasons and for the sake of expediency. The two parties must take up the stand of the self-determination of the Macedonian people." Ignoring Greece, Comintern decisively shifted responsibility over Macedonia from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia and ruled for an"Independent Macedonia and Thrace" under Yugoslav hegemony. To put it bluntly, the Soviet-sponsored Macedonia design arrogated the rights of Macedonia’s citizens of Greece that owns 75% of King Philip’s historic Macedonia and infringed upon the rights of 2.5 million Hellenic Macedonians. Any doubts concerning communism’s unorthodox involvement with an ethnic problem of paramount Balkan significance would have been dismissed were it known that Comintern was involved from its very early inception with the Macedonian problem.
PANSLAVISM
In the middle of the last century Russia raised the standard of Panslavism. In order to carry out its plans it awakened the Bulgarians. The consequences of this Slavic policy were paid by the Greeks of Macedonia.
THE BULGARIAN EXARCHATE
In 1870 the sultan, pressed by Russia, recognised the Bulgarian Exarchate. The Bulgarians, who had never thought of fighting for their freedom, broke away from the Oecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.
THE MACEDONIANS STRUGGLE
These events mark the commencement of the Macedonian Struggle and form the beginning of new trials and tough struggles in Macedonia, which was still held in bondage by the Turks.
ONLY GREECE
During this period designs were also held on Macedonia, and mainly Thessaloniki, by Austro-Hungary. However, in 1876 the Austrian consul in the Macedonian capital wrote of the Macedonians to his government: "On national issues all of them to a man have the same feelings and regard only Greece as their true homeland...".
THE TREATY OF SAN STEFANO
In February 1878 the Russians, vistors in the Russo-Turkish war being waged at that time, reached the outskirts of Constantinople. There, in the suburb of San Stefano on 19 February 1878, the treaty bearing that name was signed. This provided for the creation of a "Greater Bulgaria", which stretched from the Danube and the Black Sea as far as the Aegean, Mt. Olympus and Grammos!
LIKE DORIC COLUMNS
At this the Greek Macedonians rose up like Doric columns over their ancestral land in order to rescue it from the clutches of the Slavs and liberate it from their Turkish oppressors. In north- west Macedonia a New Philike Etaireia was founded, with Anastasios Picheon from Ochrid as its moving spirit, whilst the Macedonians in Athens, led by Stephanos Dragoumis from Vogatsikon, formed the Macedonian Committee. In Siatista a notable boldly and indignantly declared to an English colonel that Macedonia would only become Bulgarian "when the Bulgarians trod over the dead bodies of the Greeks".
THE GREEK MACEDONIANS REVOLT
On 18 and 19 February 1878 two revolutionary governments in Kozani (Bourinos) and Litochoro "proclaimed the union of Macedonia with mother Greece". The movement was spontaneous. All alone, practically unarmed and lacking co-ordination and aid, from Mt. Olympus up to the Prespa lakes the Macedonians fought until the end of that year. And they succeeded in putting an end to the Bulgaria of San Stefano.
THE CONGRESS OF BERLIN
The Treaty of Berlin created a smaller Bulgaria, between the Danube and the Balkan Peninsula. Macedonia remained part of Turkey.
THE COMITADJIS
The Bulgarians, however, did not forget about the Bulgaria of San Stafano. At first they began to take action under the deceitful slogan "Macedonia for the Macedonians". Soon, however, they abandoned their pretence and set about annexing Macedonia to Bulgaria by fire and sword. They began to seize churches and schools from the Greeks, to murder priests, teachers and notables, to carry out arbitrary raids on Greeks Macedonia. The Macedonian Greeks began to suffer severe hardships and the decade 1894-1904 was a dramatic one for them.
THE FIRST MACEDONIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS
At that time the first native Macedonian freedom fighters appeared: Kotas, Vangelis, Dalipis and other Macedonian combatants, who rose up in spontaneous response to the Bulgarians with their own rebel bands. Macedonia began to acquire her own defensive force.
THE NATIONAL LEADERSHIP OF THE CHURCH
The Metropolitan of Drama Chrysostomos, who was later to become a national martyr in Smyrna, wrote: "For Macedonia to become Bulgarian, history and ethnography must be stifled...". At the same time Metropolitan Germanos began to take the offensive in Kastoria.
ION DRAGOUMIS
From Greek Monastiri (Bitola) Ion Dragoumis rallied the Greeks to action: "We've had enough martyrs, we need heroes... If we save Macedonia, Macedonia will save us... If we save Macedonia, we will be saved".
PAVLOS MELAS
In August 1904 Pavlos Melas came to Macedonia with thirty companions. On 13 October he hallowed Macedonia with his blood and became a symbol of the Macedonian Struggle.
A STRUGGLE UNTO DEATH
The death of Melas shook the Greek nation and gave a new form to the Macedonian Struggle. Many officers soon succeeded Melas in the fight, which spread from Kastoria, Florina, Monastiri and Morihovo as far as Stromnitsa, Drama, Melenikon and Nevrokopi.
VICTORY
In 1905, 1906 and 1907, exceptionally critical years, the forces of the Macedonian freedom fighters, small but well organized, with the unanimous support of all the Macedonians, achieved a real feat. The Bulgarians, defeated, began to return to their bases. Macedonia had been saved. This phase of the Macedonian Struggle ended in 1908 with the Revolution of the Young Turks.
HAIL, HAIL, O LIBERTY!
In the autumn of 1912, after a period of servitude that had lasted five centuries, Macedonia was liberated. Just at that moment the Serbs managed to seize Northern Macedonia/Vardar /today FYROM taking in parts of Hellenic ancient Macedonia !!! Greek cities like Monastiri, Ochrid, Krusovo, Morihovo, Gevgheli, Doirani and Stromnitsa... The Bulgarians attempted to occupy Thessaloniki! In the summer of 1913, however, they retreated again, defeated at Lachanas and Kilkis and in other battles. Nevertheless, they retained North-western Macedonia, with Melenikon, Petric and Nevrokopi... A small part of Western Macedonia, including Koritsa and Moschopolis, was annexed by the powers of that time to the newly-founded state of Albania.
THE EPIC OF THE MACEDONIAN STRUGGLE
History, legends and songs tell of the exploits and the sacrifices of the Macedonian freedom fighters. Who were they and how many of them were there? Nobody knows. The land of Macedonia treasures their bones lovingly in her bosom.
THE NEW SLAV CONSPIRACY
The Macedonian Struggle, one of the most important struggles of Modern Greece, is, it has turned out, not over, and will never be over "so long as generations of barbarians sweep down to choke the Greek seed", as Ion Dragoumis said. The present threat comes from Skopje, which has never fallen within the geo- physical and historical boundaries of Macedonia. There, insolent counterfeiters, aided by other enemies of Greece, are falsifying history, usurping the glorious and eternally Greek names of Macedonia and the Macedonians, forging non-existent nations and now, having eradicated the Greek element in the part of Macedonia which they seized, they are conspiring against free Greek Macedonia.
Macedonia is Greek. Monuments, names, history, traditions and legends, the vivid traces left behind by the civilization and sacrifices of the Greek Macedonians in present-day Greek Macedonia and beyond our present northern borders testify and proclaim that they are GREEK. We Greek Macedonians will keep this most beautiful and historic land of our fathers free and Greek for ever.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 10, 2014 17:45:32 GMT -5
hey our maps are the same, maybe if southern Macedonia secedes from greece, we can create this state. Let's do it! United? From when? ... Tito was and IS you're only legitimate hero. "Macedonians" today, are no different than "Bosnians" and to a lesser extent "Montenegrins" being that they're manufactured states post Communism. the FYROM-Macedonia, Bosnia and Montenegro case is a ticking time bomb. Cause when s**t hits the fan in Balkan, the real Europeans (non-islamics) from all these three-states are going to be running to Serbs (not the state - but the people). Which will be fine, but idiots like you who preach further inter-ethnic hate will need to be silenced. This "free world" gave guys like you too much of a voice. Handing out megaphones to you clowns while the opposition gets filtered through noise. :::::::::::
Over the centuries the territory which today forms the FYROM was ruled by a number of different states and former empires. Macedonia is a hellenic historical national identity and the colture of Macedonia is Hellenic. Although FYROM who claims the name of Macedonia is a young state, since it became independent in 1991, its roots run into the history of last decades. The name "Macedonia" is in fact a Greek word. All the archaeological evidence shows that the Macedonian civilization was a Greek tribe, which has nothing to do with modern Slavic inhabitants. The region Macedonia is located in the heart of the Balkans, north of southern Greece, east of Illyria, and west of Thrace. The state of FYROM today occupies a northern region of Macedonian land.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 12, 2014 18:06:04 GMT -5
hey our maps are the same, maybe if southern Macedonia secedes from greece, we can create this state. Let's do it! United? From when? ... Tito was and IS you're only legitimate hero. "Macedonians" today, are no different than "Bosnians" and to a lesser extent "Montenegrins" being that they're manufactured states post Communism. the FYROM-Macedonia, Bosnia and Montenegro case is a ticking time bomb. Cause when s**t hits the fan in Balkan, the real Europeans (non-islamics) from all these three-states are going to be running to Serbs (not the state - but the people). Which will be fine, but idiots like you who preach further inter-ethnic hate will need to be silenced. This "free world" gave guys like you too much of a voice. Handing out megaphones to you clowns while the opposition gets filtered through noise. :::::::::::
Over the centuries the territory which today forms the FYROM was ruled by a number of different states and former empires. Macedonia is a hellenic historical national identity and the colture of Macedonia is Hellenic. Although FYROM who claims the name of Macedonia is a young state, since it became independent in 1991, its roots run into the history of last decades. The name "Macedonia" is in fact a Greek word. All the archaeological evidence shows that the Macedonian civilization was a Greek tribe, which has nothing to do with modern Slavic inhabitants. The region Macedonia is located in the heart of the Balkans, north of southern Greece, east of Illyria, and west of Thrace. The state of FYROM today occupies a northern region of Macedonian land.
i didn't open this thread. it was opened by a greek nationalist claiming territory from R.Macedonia. Good to see your perspective though. Lol at a Chetnik accusing others of preaching 'further inter-ethnic hate'. Go back to worshiping General Nedic and other Serbian quislings.....
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Jan 14, 2014 8:09:55 GMT -5
Chento, what Uz just did was a classic slavic "shoot your own foot" case... classic idiocy ... most Serbs ADORE the makedonians....
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Jan 14, 2014 10:31:08 GMT -5
Macedonia became a Slavic territory 1500 years ago and the name Macedonia was owned by the Slavic inhabitants. The Greeks have Hellenized a large portion of Macedonia since 1913 by importing Orthodox Christians from Turkey in the 1920s and other measures. well said man!!! The west sent neo-false greeks to greece to alter the SLAVIC demographics, just like they do now in Kosovo/Makedonia... If we history under that prism : greko-albanian western backed monkeys VS the SLAVS, everything in the balkans becomes trivial... BTW, in Ohrid, there is a WEALTH OF BULGARIAN MEDIEVAL HISTORY ... In the fortress of Car Samuil, i kissed the walls... same with the BULGARIAN CHURCH Sveta Sofija... same of course with the SERBIAN church : JOVAN KANEO.... BTW i believe Maks are a WONDERFUL people, their language is UNIQUE : different from both Serbian and Bulgarian, they are the connecting rod between BALKAN SLAVS...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 14, 2014 22:48:43 GMT -5
The 1904 Ottoman census recorded-
Thessaloniki- GREEKS 373,227 BULGARIANS 204,317 Monastiri(Bitola) GREEKS 261,283 BULGARIANS 178,412
The biggest mistake that Byzantine greeks committed was allowing the slavs to settle in Greek lands.
History did not start at 700AD when u slavs came to the balkans or at 1912 when Greeks freed 95% of Macedonia. And the fact that these lands at times were occupied by Romans Slavs,Bulgars Ottomans does not erase the historical truth of its Greekness of ancient Macedonia .. The Greek names are older than the Slavic ones and most of them have their roots in ancient Greece.
Nonexistent nation having eradicated the Greek element in the part of Macedonia which they seized and they are conspiring against free Greek Macedonia Lands
This Means War !!!!!!!!!!!
Greek Macedonians will keep this most beautiful and historic MACEDONIAN Land of our fathers free and Greek for Ever.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 15, 2014 18:09:44 GMT -5
'Greeks' according to the Turks were those attending Greek Patriachate church. Therefore this included Slavic speakers, Vlachs, Albanians and others. If these are today's Greeks then so be it, but don't go claiming ancient history, because you have no relation to it.
As for Slavs settling in the Balkans, their is evidence that Slavs were there in smaller numbers before the 6th century invasions. Byzantines did allow some to settle, but Slavs also fought their way in, in alliance with other tribes such as Avars and Bulgars. So, Byzantines had no choice in the matter. By the way, are you Byzantine ie., a multi-ethnic nation, or Greek?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Jan 15, 2014 19:28:37 GMT -5
'Greeks' according to the Turks were those attending Greek Patriachate church. Therefore this included Slavic speakers, Vlachs, Albanians and others. If these are today's Greeks then so be it, but don't go claiming ancient history, because you have no relation to it. As for Slavs settling in the Balkans, their is evidence that Slavs were there in smaller numbers before the 6th century invasions. Byzantines did allow some to settle, but Slavs also fought their way in, in alliance with other tribes such as Avars and Bulgars. So, Byzantines had no choice in the matter. By the way, are you Byzantine ie., a multi-ethnic nation, or Greek? Slavs settled the Balkans in the 6th-7th Century AD. Okay ok ... I'am Hellene / ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ In Constantinople the Greek Church has been one of religious toleration rather than nationalism. If this had not been true, the Greek Church, in the Byzantine centuries and especially during the four hundred years under the Turks, could have Hellenized all the minorities or at least a great majority of them. The Greek historian K. Paparigopoulos, known for his patriotism, blamed the Church for not exploiting here numerous opportunities to Hellenize the various Balkan peoples in a period of four hundred years, something she could have done without much difficulty.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 17, 2014 17:48:36 GMT -5
oh man .....again ...?
slicing up the Balkans without the Albanians present ...
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Post by pushtuesi on Jan 24, 2014 0:50:31 GMT -5
To kartadolofonos:
There is an old proverb that you should memorize and know:
"Be careful you don't fall into that grave you dig for others."
Just look to your neighbors up north...the serbs. They fell hook line and sinker, into those graves they dug for their neighbors and the US finally bombed their whole serbian country into that grave those serbs dug for others. Pity those poor ignorant but violent serbs. You greeks, I hope are alittle smarter than serbs. Alittle? lol Who am I kidding?
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