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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 28, 2014 2:55:31 GMT -5
Η ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΣΗΜΑΙΑ Ο ΕΦΙΑΛΤΗΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΝΘΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ
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Post by rex362 on Mar 1, 2014 14:04:57 GMT -5
Flag ... Flag what Malaka flag .....
The population of modern Attica is composed of three distinct races. The town is the home of the Greek proper. The blood in his veins is mingled, but in default of more direct heirs he claims the heritage of the ancient race. The language that he speaks is more closely allied to classical Greek than Italian is to Latin. A traveller of the seventeenth century reports that the Greek language is being corrupted " not so much by the mixture of other tongues as through a supine recklessness." He adds, however, that " there be yet of the Laconians that speak so good Greek (though not grammatically) that they understand the learned and understand not the vulgar." The Greeklanguage as spoken to-day contains foreign elements, but the body of the language is still there. Thanks to the spread of education and the ardent patriotism of the Press it is rapidly changing, and wherever possible classical roots are introduced. The living, vigorous tongue of the peasant population is being overlaid with this newspaper jargon, and it is strange to see how even a man of no education seems to grasp instinctively the meaning of a classical term when he hears it for the first time. The next generation will hardly be able to understand the language of the Klephtic ballads. The country districts are populated by industrious Albanians. They seem more Greek than the Greeks themselves. They are probably Illyrians and have lived under conditions similar to those which formed the races who came into Greece from the North. They fought like lions through the War of Independence and on the nation's resurrection their dress was chosen as the national costume. The King's guard is largely recruited from these strapping highlanders, who look very fine in their clean white kilts and jackets embroidered with black for everyday wear, and with gold for full dress. The oldest Albanian settlement in Greece seems to date from the eleventh century, but throughout the ages and especially during the seventeenth century the Greek stock has been invigorated by the influx of these hardy mountaineers. In the fourteenth century Pedro IV of Aragon, one of the Spanish absentee Dukes of Athens, found his districts so much depopulated that he offered the Albanians two years' exemption from taxes if they would settle in Attica. They retain their own language, and the women in the remoter villages often have no Greek. The peaceful invasion is still going on and the mountains rear a race of men who reinforce the feebler stock in the plains. The third race is the shepherd Vlachs, whose original home was, as their name implies, in Wallachia. Racially they are a most interesting study. It is seldom that one people lives long within the borders of another without losing its individuality. Not so the Vlachs. They are a shepherd people, making no permanent settlements and still retaining a tribal organization. The shepherd- chief is father and lawgiver for the tribe. Intermarriage with Greeks or Albanians is forbidden. In winter they bring their flocks to the low ground. The foot of Hymettus is one of their favourite haunts. In summer their settlements are seen high up among the hills. Like Swiss and Norwegians and other pastoral highlanders, their life is regulated by the migration from summer pasturage in the hills to winter pasturage in the plains. They dwell partly in tents, partly in strange dome-shaped huts built of earth or sticks : there are also shelters for the sheep and lambs, and the whole circular enclosure is fenced in with a low wattled barrier. Seen from below it looks like a brown fungus growth on the mountain-side. Seen close at hand brown is still the prevailing tint. In the shade of the nut-brown house a brown mother sits nursing a brown baby, while brown sheep and goats saunter round the pen. The only note of contrast in this general brownness is found in the wrappings of the baby and the white coats of some of the flock — but all are slowly merging into the general harmony. These settlements are often left to the care of the women while the men are away on the hills. They are therefore guarded by fierce dogs, the only real enemies that need be feared in Attica. I shall never forget my reception on visiting a Vlach settlement on the lower slopes of Hymettus. As I crossed the bridge of the stream dividing the village from the road every little hut sent out a dog, and no sooner was my foot on the further shore than the whole pack came down upon me like an army. Fortunately it was by no means a silent army and the tumult brought some Vlach women to their doors. Seeing that I belonged to their own harmless sex, they called the dogs off and made me welcome in their smoky little wigwams. Experience shows that if we leave the settlements at a safe distance it is not likely that the dogs will molest us. As a race the Vlachs are thrifty and generous. Many of the stately public buildings in Athens have been built by patriotic Vlachs who have died rich men and left their fortunes to their country. The Greeks mix, the Albanians, the Vlachs, these are the three races that now hold the lands of Attica. It is fruitless to discuss their exact relationship to their predecessors the Ancient Greeks. Each individual unconsciously seems to reveal his origin, from Greek or barbarian, from slave or freeman. On some mountain- side a beautiful woman greets us with a bend of the head so perfect in its measured gravity that we feel at once that we are in the presence of the lineal descendant of some old Greek or Byzantine house. Some peasant-host, sharing our evening meal, shows those instinctive good manners which remind us of a civilization that was old when our forefathers were but naked hunters. Days in Attica, Ellen Sophia Hodgkin Bosanquet, 1914 Prej te njejtit liber: Athens is the capital of Greece, but it is also the market town for Attica. This fact is pleasantly empha- sized by the groups of peasants who each morning converge upon the city from the surrounding country. Conspicuous in their heavy garments covered with handsome wool embroidery, Albanians may be seen along any of the main roads leading to Athens. Some are in gaily painted carts, slightly resembling those used by peasants in Sicily.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 1, 2014 20:20:12 GMT -5
The Turks filled up Thessaloniki with jews and mainland Greece with Albanoturks... any sign of an albanian back then on Greek territory meant that he was placed there by turks.... Excerpts from historians from pre 1000 ad never mention albanians being in our regions...
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Post by rex362 on Mar 2, 2014 10:07:24 GMT -5
Jews filled up every market place/city by nature ....Albanians existed pre Ottomans in inner greece and into other areas
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 2, 2014 15:25:17 GMT -5
Jews filled up every market place/city by nature ....Albanians existed pre Ottomans in inner greece and into other areas They existed as cheap labor to the greek elite... too bad no one mentioned them prior to 1000 ad.. I'll be nice and give you the benefit of doubt.
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Post by kapedan on Mar 2, 2014 17:25:10 GMT -5
Ionians were Semitics. Dorians were Pelasgians. Pelasgians were not Semitic. Deal with it!
Mare Nostrum in Arberisht mean Deti Jon. There is no connection with Ionians and Epir. Ionians lived at Anatolia. The label of Ionian sea is a historical mistake. Deal with it!
Greek alphabet is a Semitic alphabet borrowed form the Phoenicians through Ionians. Deal with it!
Greek flag is not a nightmare. Arvanitika was considered the language of devil and the Greek Church saw it as a nightmare. Deal with it!
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 3, 2014 0:17:36 GMT -5
Really like anyone cares about Pelasgians... what was their legacy? Where is your Albanian alphabet? How come there 's no mention of you in history before the turks arrived? Questions,questions.... Gonna go and pump myself up and watch 300 rise of an empire.... oh, no albanians there either...ha ha ha ha....
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Post by kapedan on Mar 3, 2014 10:12:35 GMT -5
You have no idea... Why do you care?
Who told you the Ioanians were Semetics? - Stupid
Who told you the Pelasgians and Dorians were of the same stock? - Stupid
Greeks have been living in Epiros wrongly called 'Southern Albania' since ancient times; today there is still a large minority of Greeks speakers, estimated as having a population of 200 000 thousand in Albania alone.
Albanians are also part Greek and Slavic as well; Deal with it! They were under the Ottoman empire for 500 years. Albanians were allies with the Ottoman Turks.
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The Balkans were part of Asia for 400 - 500 years!
Deal With IT!
That retarded theory that Greeks are Albanians goes both ways; like I said Albania has always had a large Greek population since ancient time, so if your going to accept one theory you might as well accept both; because you will sound hypocritical.
DEAL WITH IT!
By the way the Albanian flag is a cheap - no meaning - copy of a Byzantine Greek flag. The doubled headed eagle is a symbol of the Greek Orthodox flag. Albania has a large Muslim population dating back to Ottoman times.
DEAL WITH IT!
George Kastriotis had partial Greek Ancestry.
DEAL WITH IT.
Now stop the lies; don't bother replying I only go on this forum once every so often - very rare.
No I will not reply, I will kindly add the reference where all this came from: Minister for Education and Religious Affairs, Sport and Culture. Free Arbanites!
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Post by kapedan on Mar 3, 2014 10:24:35 GMT -5
C'monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....your church wrote in the history books about Pelasgians. Anastas Janulatos I think he does care about them considering the fact he is e product of the Greek not so European church.
Ok ok but always remember, the 300 were Pelasgic Dorians living in the city state of Sparta. And since you re at it LEARN from those Dorians how to make a God damn empire, instead of taking pride of how Ionians borrowed the alphabet from their Phoenicians kin.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 3, 2014 17:56:42 GMT -5
The Turks filled up Thessaloniki with jews and mainland Greece with Albanoturks... any sign of an albanian back then on Greek territory meant that he was placed there by turks.... Excerpts from historians from pre 1000 ad never mention albanians being in our regions... TURKS SMURKS ....looky looky
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Post by rex362 on Mar 3, 2014 17:59:48 GMT -5
Really like anyone cares about Pelasgians... what was their legacy? Where is your Albanian alphabet? How come there 's no mention of you in history before the turks arrived? Questions,questions.... Gonna go and pump myself up and watch 300 rise of an empire.... oh, no albanians there either...ha ha ha ha.... illyria.proboards.com/thread/37424/albanians-illyrians
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 4, 2014 14:46:03 GMT -5
Really like anyone cares about Pelasgians... what was their legacy? Where is your Albanian alphabet? How come there 's no mention of you in history before the turks arrived? Questions,questions.... Gonna go and pump myself up and watch 300 rise of an empire.... oh, no albanians there either...ha ha ha ha.... illyria.proboards.com/thread/37424/albanians-illyriansThere was no Albania back then, why didn't you keep your original name? who gave you the name Albania? or siptar? How come not a sight or piece of document showing Illyrian names being used before Communism? Why are the majority of toponyms in Albania Slavic? Who else are your nation bearers besides Skanderbeg, since you are such an ancient society I'd imagine you'd have many, like we Serbs and Greeks do. You owe your survival as an ethnos to the Turks, you were all either Slavicized or Hellenized and that was the way it was suppose to be.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 4, 2014 17:36:08 GMT -5
There was no Albania back then, why didn't you keep your original name? who gave you the name Albania? or siptar? How come not a sight or piece of document showing Illyrian names being used before Communism? Why are the majority of toponyms in Albania Slavic? Who else are your nation bearers besides Skanderbeg, since you are such an ancient society I'd imagine you'd have many, like we Serbs and Greeks do. You owe your survival as an ethnos to the Turks, you were all either Slavicized or Hellenized and that was the way it was suppose to be. your simply a hater ....
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 4, 2014 22:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 5, 2014 14:36:53 GMT -5
There was no Albania back then, why didn't you keep your original name? who gave you the name Albania? or siptar? How come not a sight or piece of document showing Illyrian names being used before Communism? Why are the majority of toponyms in Albania Slavic? Who else are your nation bearers besides Skanderbeg, since you are such an ancient society I'd imagine you'd have many, like we Serbs and Greeks do. You owe your survival as an ethnos to the Turks, you were all either Slavicized or Hellenized and that was the way it was suppose to be. your simply a hater .... haha typical sipac - have it sink in and let the truth burn
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Post by rex362 on Mar 5, 2014 14:47:50 GMT -5
man leave greek forum alone ...you got problems in srb forum today ....
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Post by rex362 on Mar 8, 2014 17:42:53 GMT -5
this is the only video you need to know .....watch and it has English subtitles
there will be a test Monday morning on it ......
2 test hints ....will be emphasize @ time 11:15 and 38:10
yes ....@ time 11:15 & @ time 38:10 and beyond ...
- very important times -
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 10, 2014 20:09:05 GMT -5
Albanians,Arvanites and the distortion of 1821
Albanians excited from the documentary SKY 1821, showing the Greeks offspring Albanians bought the exhibition rights of the Albanian television production.
You might recall that this documentary had caused up to concentrations outside the channel of Faliro, while the man was targeted more at the time, was Peter Tatsopoulos, along with Thanos Veremi Iakovos Michailidis and accused the majority of the viewing public for distortion of history.
When I read the news I admit that I was not surprised. Albanian TV Channel presents excerpts from the television series Greek Skai for 1821 in order to prove that the Greeks are of Albanian origin. Apparently the neighbors exploit the historically inaccurate data distortionary than documentary, which coincides the Arvanites with the Albanians Slips of 'postmodern' Greek historians sprinkled bread and butter of Albanian nationalism.
Ignorance and misrepresentation of history betrays the novel view was heard to say great heroes of 1821 and subsequent national competitions were Albanians. Be confused with the Arvanites, the Arvanitophone Greeks Others, however, Albanians and other Arvanites. There is a big difference. And no mistake: Marco Botsaris memory which many irreverent, Hellene was Arvanite like everyone Souliote. The Greek consciousness shown by the famous phrase said when the settled in Ionian Islands: The Greeks can feel free where waving the British flag. "And the dictionary you wrote was Arvanite - not Albanian - and Romeikos simple (Modern Greek) . Besides, it could have Albanian national consciousness, as this appears only in 1878 by the League of Prizren - Kosovo and even as artificial construct of foreign forces and religious propaganda. During the Ottoman period there was no Albanian nation. Residents of modern Albania criterion with their religion. were only Orthodox Greeks, integrated in the same genos with other Greeks. Muslims Turks felt, hence the term Turk. If we speak Albanian participation in the Greek Revolution should not refer to Botsaris, Bubulina and the Kountouriots them, Ottoman Janissary TurkAlbanians used by the other side as slaughterers of the Greeks.
The Byzantines our ancestors did not mention Albanians in the Balkans. Constantine Porphyrogenitus a tribe called Albanians of the Caucasus. George Kastriotis - Skanderbeg, who is considered a national hero of modern Albanians called themselves Orthodox Epirote (15th century). In documents of the Serenissima Republic of Venice in the late 15th century the word "Albanian" interpreted as "Greeks from Epirus and the Peloponnese" without questioning the Greek conscience. The Albanian consciousness is certainly outlandish structure as evidence and testimonies of those persons themselves. When Italy and Austria-Hungary for reasons of their own trying to build Albanian state to control the entrance of the Adriatic, the Turk lifted up in Durres the Ottoman flag!
They preferred the Turkish despite unknown to them Albanian national consciousness ..
The term Arvanitis on their Soulites, the Hydra, Spetses them etc., derived from the word "Arvanon" toponym of Northern Epirus, which we find already in the 11th century in the texts of Anna Comnena. From Arvanon, ie from Greek Northern Epirus, went to towns and islands of Southern Greece Greek populations speaking Arvanite. That one dialect mixed with ancient Greek, Latin, Turkish and Balkan native language elements. The confusion between the words and Albanian Arvanitis created only in the Greek language, because they seem to resemble the two terms sound. The similarity is only superficial. In fact very different. Besides themselves Albanians call themselves Skipetar and country Skiperia. What public can have a Skipetar and a Gentile Arvanitophone ? Arvanites whole hardly Greeks of Hellenic stock fought 1821 for the Greek Revolution Modern Albanians fought against the Greeks and the Arvanites and are slaughterers of the Greeks.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 11, 2014 16:40:50 GMT -5
^ is that what the GOC said ....?
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