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Post by SKORIC on Mar 9, 2014 20:08:17 GMT -5
neo-nazis who were fighting police a couple weeks ago and have seized power with american backing have now become no better than the police themselves, stopping and bashing activists for wanting to clean up kiev
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 9, 2014 20:29:46 GMT -5
John McCain with right wing Svoboda Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok and former central banker and IMF muppet, the new Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk How and why the U.S. government aided a coup led by neo-nazis in Ukraine
The people of the United States are being deliberately misled and misinformed about the leading role played by the U.S. State Department, intelligence agencies and neoconservative leaders in bringing neo-Nazis to power in Ukraine. The same neoconservative politicians and strategists that drove the country to war against Iraq in 2003, against Libya in 2011 and nearly against Syria in 2013 have been neck-deep in a protracted regime change effort in Ukraine as part of a larger geo-strategic struggle against Russia. The fact that they have worked hand in glove with armed neo-Nazis in Ukraine - with Sen. John McCain and Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland literally joining the protests - speaks volumes about the political nature of the events. The Maidan protest movement was launched in Kiev in November 2013 when Ukrainian President Yanukovych rejected a European Union economic plan that would have imposed a harsh austerity regime on Ukraine as the price for admission into the economic sphere dominated by German banks. The U.S. and E.U.-backed street protests, supported most fervently by neoconservative elements inside and outside the Obama administration, began when Yanukovych instead accepted a $15 billion loan from Russia and an economic plan that did not require austerity measures but did include discounted prices for Russian natural gas. Another case of imperialist-backed regime change - this time with neo-Nazis
The U.S. government has engineered, financed and fully supported a classic coup d'état that overthrew a corrupt but democratically elected government in Ukraine. Joining in the destabilization of the Ukrainian government were Germany, France, Britain and other NATO powers. The U.S. State Department funds an international network of non-governmental organizations and media outlets that are used to create political opposition and conduct regime change against targeted countries from Venezuela to Bolivia to Syria to Ukraine and other countries. A principal vehicle for these U.S. operations is the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). A recent article by Robert Parry reports: "NED, a $100 million-a-year agency created by the Reagan administration in 1983 to promote political action and psychological warfare against targeted states, lists 65 projects that it supports financially inside Ukraine, including training activists, supporting 'journalists' and promoting business groups, effectively creating a full-service structure primed and ready to destabilize a government in the name of promoting 'democracy.'" The new coup-led government was selected by a rump session of the parliament when many elected members could not show up to vote for fear of physical attack. It is filled with fascist and semi-fascist forces, as well as powerful billionaire oligarchs. The fascist forces promote hatred toward Russians, Jews, Poles and other minorities. During the past year these forces have been vandalizing the anti-fascist monuments and memorials that honor the Ukrainian and other Soviet military veterans who gave their lives to defeat Nazism in World War II. The new coup government immediately initiated laws to ban the Communist Party of Ukraine as many of its offices were torched around the country. The new government also banned the use of Russian, Hungarian, Romanian, Greek, Tatar and others as officially recognized minority languages. The Maidan movement took shape in the form of street protests in November 2013 demanding that the now toppled government of Yanukovych sign onto an agreement that would "integrate" Ukraine into the economic sphere of influence of Germany and the other E.U. countries. The Maidan movement started as a broad-based politically eclectic mix of fascist, centrist and some leftist organizations. The fascist and semi-fascist organizations, specifically the armed wings of the Svoboda Party and Right Sector, became the dominant political force as the protest movement was sustained over several months. Both Svoboda and Right Sector use the iconography of the pro-Nazi Ukrainians who fought with Hitler's divisions in the invasion of the Soviet Union and carried out massacres of Jews, Poles and communists. After the ouster of Yanukovych, Svoboda Party leaders were appointed to the deputy prime minister position - now held by a notorious anti-woman bigot - and four other ministries. A founder of the Social-National Party, which became Svoboda, is now Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, which controls Ukraine's armed forces, and his top deputy is from the Right Sector. The right-wing coup government in Ukraine is trying to integrate the country into an E.U./IMF-sponsored austerity regime that will lead to the deep impoverishment of the Ukrainian working classes. The tremendous resources of Ukraine are seen as a huge prize for the enrichment of the biggest banks and corporations in Western Europe and the United States. These resources include major deposits of coal, iron ore, manganese, nickel and uranium. It holds the largest sulfur and second-largest mercury reserves in the world, and vast, rich agricultural lands and forests. In addition, Ukraine has large-scale heavy industry, particularly in the eastern part of the country. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union most of the former socialist bloc countries of Central and Eastern Europe have been integrated into a NATO and E.U. sphere of influence. Of the 28 member nations of the E.U., 22 so far have been incorporated into NATO. Western imperialism has targeted all the countries in Eastern Europe and the other non-Russian former Soviet republics, including Ukraine, for incorporation into a U.S. and NATO-led sphere of influence. Their strategy is to exploit the land, labor and resources of the targeted countries, while containing and weakening Russia economically and militarily. www.sott.net/article/275063-How-and-Why-the-US-Government-Aided-a-Coup-Led-by-Neo-Nazis-in-Ukraine
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 9, 2014 20:33:02 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 9, 2014 20:40:24 GMT -5
Phone Tap: US Asst Sec. State Nuland Scheming in Ukraine with Ambassador Pyatt.
Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt scheming to influence political events in Ukraine
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 9, 2014 20:46:38 GMT -5
This leaked phone conversation between EU foreign policy chief Cathy Ashton and Estonia's foreign minister Urmas Paet reveals that the snipers in Ukraine that fired on protesters were actually from the new coalition government, and Western diplomats knew. For your convenience we've uploaded a short version that skips to the important part, and the full version which has the conversation from the very beginning.
Short version here:
scgnews.com/breaking-leaked-phone-call-reveals-new-coalition-was-behind-sniper-shootings-in-ukraine
Urmas Paet: "All the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among police men and people in the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides." Cathy Ashton: "Well that's, yeah..." Urmas Paet: "And she also showed me some photos and she said that has medical doctor, she can say that it is the same handwriting..." Cathy Ashton: "Yeah..." Urmas Paet: "Same type of bullets... and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened. So that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition."
This isn't really surprising since we know that the U.S. government met several times with known Neo-Nazi leaders in Ukraine before the coup, and that these Neo-Nazi groups have been caught on video committing numerous acts of brutality during and after the protests.
Listen to the full audio here.
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Mar 11, 2014 0:06:17 GMT -5
I wonder how many hours will pass before Uz storms in to protect Germany's errr... Svoboda's party err.... the true Ukranian patriots interests. In the end, the Ukranians, after all the suppression, tortures, ethnic cleansing, and genocide (Katyn, holodomor, etc...) that went through in the hands of the satanic bolsheviks russians, have all the right for a free life in the free western world.
AM I RIGHT REX AND UZ?
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Skoric, welcome back bro..... In case you are wandering what the fuck am i saying above, well, i am just kidding with Uz and Rex.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 15, 2014 23:46:08 GMT -5
Svoboda stands for something that doesn't exist. They're a Survivalist Party, they'll alligne with anyone for as long as they can be Ukrainian for Ukrainians (new/nation-state), same with what happened with Croatia. No self respecting nationalist would be in the same room as Mcain, enough said.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 16, 2014 0:02:19 GMT -5
Then this isn't a fascist force. A fascist force would promote unity among the race and nation/including cultural affilitations. In other words a Ukrainian fascist couldn't "hate" a Russian or a Pole on the account of his birth, a jew yes because there's no affilitation there, but not the other two. Smells dirty.
What a joke. They'd say the same if we waved Ljotic's image, or even Draza's. If we even wave out three fingers they'll scream fascist at us. But forget this.
But how about this???
Look how rotten these people are. Who ever learned in school that jews were responsible for this, and not the Russians? And what commemoration to these victims get, for being slaughtered one of the worse ways possible? People all over the world get the holocaust shoved down their throats while all other crimes get overlooked so damn easily, especially if it committed by jews. Their attitude toward us is "get over it", while they make damn sure no one forgets "what happened to them".
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Mar 16, 2014 14:00:22 GMT -5
Svoboda stands for something that doesn't exist. They're a Survivalist Party, they'll alligne with anyone for as long as they can be Ukrainian for Ukrainians (new/nation-state), same with what happened with Croatia. No self respecting nationalist would be in the same room as Mcain, enough said. The only reason that i believe XA (GD) might be "clean" is just because all the west has demonized them, and their leader is in jail... This has never happened in Greece again. Massive anti-XA propaganda in the greek press... There has to be smth good in XA. Why it took me that long to understand??? because of Svoboda, KLA, Syrian rebels etc.... all of them made up monkeys from the west... If you take into account that the west has fed us up with so much empty nationalism in the last 200 years, preaching the same things like XA, that is the reason i was suspicious.... it turns out..... i am temporarily wrong.... we will see.... Currently only XA and KKE have supported Syria and Russian.... TOO bad those two parties are in war with each other .
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Post by rex362 on Mar 16, 2014 17:00:55 GMT -5
Myself ....I couldn't give a rats azz about slav against slav crime ....I make popcorn and watch the show
and kudo to those 3-4 alcoholic srb Uncle draza loving cetniks making srbija look good .....
I love it !
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Post by rex362 on Mar 16, 2014 17:08:38 GMT -5
Svoboda stands for something that doesn't exist. They're a Survivalist Party, they'll alligne with anyone for as long as they can be Ukrainian for Ukrainians (new/nation-state), same with what happened with Croatia. No self respecting nationalist would be in the same room as Mcain, enough said. The only reason that i believe XA (GD) might be "clean" is just because all the west has demonized them, and their leader is in jail... This has never happened in Greece again. Massive anti-XA propaganda in the greek press... There has to be smth good in XA. Why it took me that long to understand??? because of Svoboda, KLA, Syrian rebels etc.... all of them made up monkeys from the west... If you take into account that the west has fed us up with so much empty nationalism in the last 200 years, preaching the same things like XA, that is the reason i was suspicious.... it turns out..... i am temporarily wrong.... we will see.... Currently only XA and KKE have supported Syria and Russian.... TOO bad those two parties are in war with each other . putting XA on a pedestal is not good ....they were simply criminals trying to win seats in greek parliment by using fear tactics on the people.....you know how them neo greks and alvanos operate ....C'mon Pyrros !
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 16, 2014 21:51:40 GMT -5
Svoboda stands for something that doesn't exist. They're a Survivalist Party, they'll alligne with anyone for as long as they can be Ukrainian for Ukrainians (new/nation-state), same with what happened with Croatia. No self respecting nationalist would be in the same room as Mcain, enough said. The only reason that i believe XA (GD) might be "clean" is just because all the west has demonized them, and their leader is in jail... This has never happened in Greece again. Massive anti-XA propaganda in the greek press... There has to be smth good in XA. I am relieved to read this coming from you, I meant that. It means you cannot be alone while coming to this revelation, that perhaps many Greeks are beginning to see what you see. In all honestly, the Western lynching of XA is what got me curious, my thoughts on them unfolded here on the forum if you remember while trying to analyze what they're (the west elites) peddling to us. There's reasons for everything - check; Motive. I can understand that, and I remember us going back and forth on exactly that (in bold). XA is a grass-roots Party, they made it where they are today totally on their own, I respect them for this because they are clearly up against something so-much bigger than them. How perfectly that worked out right? "extreme" Right and the "extreme" Left are against the war - whose going to listen to them, right? This way, the system proves its' a democracy while still going to war - it's beautiful. Lets look back for a sec, the Republicans wanted war in Iraq, the demos didn't- but they went to war anyway except at that point we couldn't really complain cause "democracy" took it's effect. Its' how they play us. and here's the punch-line I am surprised no one brought up yet; He used the wrong arm. The Right arm extended straight is the real Roman Salute, signifying glory or "fascism". The left-arm extended is the opposite, representing "fight for freedom", communism but usually with a clenched fist, like the black panthers. Look how they fuck with us.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jul 4, 2014 15:56:58 GMT -5
Skoric the slow one, you can only wish Ukraine was taken over by Nazis, such a scenario would truly benefit the Ukrainians compared to the choices they have now, Russia or decadent west.
If Nazis actually were taking over, Russia and the west would join hands as they did in ww2 to crush it, NATO planes would bomb the crap out of Ukrainian cities and Russian army would do another rape campaign.
Instead we have a silly show where both east ZOG and west ZOG accuse each other of being Nazis or the new Hitler. And gullible crowd of fans picking to the two politically correct sides.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jul 4, 2014 16:01:19 GMT -5
One more thing, if they were Nazis they would be locked up in jail like Golden Dawn.
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Post by SKORIC on Jul 4, 2014 21:39:30 GMT -5
Ofcourse this isn't literally a Nazi revolution, though neo-nazis were used as a tool. Just like ISIS/Syrian rebels/KLA and countless others have been used in the past to destablise a country. This has already been mentioned here and I'm sure its no secret to most of us.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 5, 2014 2:55:46 GMT -5
Skoric the slow one, you can only wish Ukraine was taken over by Nazis, such a scenario would truly benefit the Ukrainians compared to the choices they have now, Russia or decadent west.
If Nazis actually were taking over, Russia and the west would join hands as they did in ww2 to crush it, NATO planes would bomb the crap out of Ukrainian cities and Russian army would do another rape campaign.
Instead we have a silly show where both east ZOG and west ZOG accuse each other of being Nazis or the new Hitler. And gullible crowd of fans picking to the two politically correct sides. 500 killed SLAVS needs an other epxlanation to another direction bro. east ZOG vs west ZOG won't explain this. For instance if for every killed SLAV in ukraine there was also a GERMAN killed in GERMANY, what you say might have a better luck of approaching reality... Cause for the given situation, your stance seems like another cover (in its right-wing version) of twisting the very facts of the situation to another imaginary direction. The truth is much deeper than anything Jew-ZOG, bla bla , but .... (see below)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 5, 2014 2:58:07 GMT -5
One more thing, if they were Nazis they would be locked up in jail like Golden Dawn. If naivety was olympic sport you would compete in heavy-weight category. DUDE WHO THE FUCK BROUGHT UP GD IN THE FIRST PLACE?? money from turkey and israel and NY and definitely NOT germany or any other place with tall blonde smart hard working beauties ...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 5, 2014 3:00:38 GMT -5
Uz brought up the wrong hand. Ofcourse this isn't literally a Nazi revolution, though neo-nazis were used as a tool. Just like ISIS/Syrian rebels/KLA and countless others have been used in the past to destablise a country. This has already been mentioned here and I'm sure its no secret to most of us. It spoils their ultra simplistic narration. As we all know, NAZIs, jews, islamists, catholics, neocons, neolibs, are all tools in their toolbox.
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Post by Jon Do on Jul 5, 2014 10:41:58 GMT -5
You are all being blind sided.
If this was a a real nazi outfit taking over they'd be taken out and replaced and because of media power it wouldn't be hard, considering both the West and Russia are anti-nazi right? It's not that hard gentlemen.
Also how come no one has mentioned how this nazi outfit has Israeli soldiers fighting for them? How the leader of this neo nazi outfit met with Israeli leaders to discuss bilateral relations?
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Post by Jon Do on Jul 5, 2014 10:43:58 GMT -5
That's right they'd break the country into pieces while we cheer them on for destroying the evil nazis.
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