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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 20, 2015 11:29:55 GMT -5
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 27, 2015 0:26:02 GMT -5
What do you think, AAdmin? Should they write off Greece's debt???
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 27, 2015 3:02:09 GMT -5
As far as I understand preety much none of that money trickled down to average people.
Its really simple, Fourth Reich, pardon me, EU, prints whole bunch of made up money and supposedly gives it to Greece. In reality, it is given to Greek Banking Sector which is controlled by them and money has to be spend on western products only pretty much. Sum of the debt is such that the country can not ever return it. This in effect turns it into colony of Germany and the West. This action has repeated itself across eastern Europe together with systematic destruction of local production as not to create rivals to big western companies. Once the state is deemed as economic failure then austerity starts when whole sale theft of the local resources accelerates. Convert worthless made up paper for something far more tangible such as real estate.
EU is anything but a democratic entity and all of its bureaucratic apparatus in Brussels is unelected by people and not accountable to people. It is elected by the banking elite, same elite that controls other major western countries where they also have usurped the power. Thus it can be argues that they are in effect fascist dictatorships (big government serving the interest of big business).
Now the question that should be postulated is whether these fascist elitist entities should forgive Greece's debt?
Real question is whether these can even be deemed legal to begin with?!!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 27, 2015 3:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by hellboy87 on Jan 29, 2015 11:45:15 GMT -5
As far as I understand pretty much none of that money trickled down to average people. Its really simple, Fourth Reich, pardon me, EU, prints a whole bunch of made up money and supposedly gives it to Greece. In reality, it is given to Greek Banking Sector which is controlled by them and money has to be spend on western products only pretty much. The sum of the debt is such that the country cannot ever return it. This in effect turns it into colony of Germany and the West. This action has repeated itself across eastern Europe together with systematic destruction of local productions as to not create rivals to big western companies. Once the state is deemed as an economic failure then austerity starts when whole sale theft of the local resources accelerates. Convert worthless made up paper for something far more tangible such as real estate. EU is anything but a democratic entity and all of its bureaucratic apparatus in Brussels is unelected by people and not accountable to people. It is elected by the banking elite, same elite that controls other major western countries where they also have usurped the power. Thus it can be argued that they are in effect fascist dictatorships (big government serving the interest of big business). Now the question that should be postulated is whether these fascist elitist entities should forgive Greece's debt? Real question is whether these can even be deemed legal to begin with?!! So you're saying that the EU wants Greece and the Eastern European members to remain undeveloped and dependent on the rich EU members and therefore not change the status quo. Is that it?
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 29, 2015 21:54:12 GMT -5
It can't continue on the path its going on right now.... the money they give Greece is to sustain the debt...
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Post by Jon Do on Jan 31, 2015 17:37:50 GMT -5
As far as I understand preety much none of that money trickled down to average people. Its really simple, Fourth Reich, pardon me, EU, prints whole bunch of made up money and supposedly gives it to Greece. How is this a Fourth-Reich mentality? I'm certain that's what you meant. It's a headache when people compare leftist policy to "Nazism" when the two inherently oppose each other. The Germans never printed money out of nothing, their state was resource based and their industries were nationalized, in fact the whole revolution to WWII had everything to do with defending this status; True sovereignty. The Germans didn't depend on anybody and this is what made the Globalists sick to their stomach. "You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest." - Winston Churchill At the same time Churchill couldn't deny the truth behind what NS Germany was really about;
"I have always said that, if Great Britain were defeated in war, I hope we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations."
- Winston Churchill in a speech on November 11, 1938
It's so funny how so many people claim to "know" history but ignore the elephant in the room.
Some of the ways the German economy revived were through:
1) National work programs. (Philosophy: Productivity is what gives money value, not how much gold a country has or the value speculators assign to a currency)
2) Give money to people who do good things. (Philosophy: Money goes to those who perform deeds, not scream in protests or those parasitics who are too lazy to take up responsibility)
3) Limit bonuses, manager pay, and what they are paid should be based on the success of the company. (Philosophy: Management is based on hierarchical-value NOT position or wealth)
4) Limit the rich from fleecing the nation's money. (Philosophy: the rich have a responsibility to provide back to the nation that has had them succeed)
5) They stopped having their issued money be debt to the jewish banks (e.g. Federal Reserve) and issued their own money so any national debt was a debt to themselves. Japan also started this in the 1930s and kept doing it after WWII. (Philosophy: ANTI-Globalisim - The nations success is 100% based on the individuals that make-up that said-nation. A nations success in production must only be rewarded to the nation that has taken part in it. IE: No debts/IOU's/bank-loans etc...
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Post by Jon Do on Jan 31, 2015 19:10:28 GMT -5
hahaha monopoly
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 3, 2015 23:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Feb 14, 2015 21:41:47 GMT -5
Max Keiser the jew who is allowed media access to expose the new world order about those damn elites, doing elititity things, getting all elity on us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 11:39:57 GMT -5
Greece and its people created the predicament they are in. The Socialists promised the Greek people they would give them what they wanted if they vote for them. The people liked it. They continued to vote for the same socialist families for decades, getting increasingly lucrative State pensions, and no worry about paying their due taxes. On top of that, they fudged the numbers to get into the EU. That was Greece's downfall because now they have to answer to them. And now they are asking for a write-off? BS!! Greece has not watched their P's and Q's and now they are pissed that they have to pay up. What a ridiculous lot!! Man up, Greece. Stop embarrassing your children all over the world. Be a man, chin high, and clear the debt the responsible way.
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Post by pyrrosveliki on Feb 18, 2015 2:42:01 GMT -5
Greece and its people created the predicament they are in. The Socialists promised the Greek people they would give them what they wanted if they vote for them. The people liked it. They continued to vote for the same socialist families for decades, getting increasingly lucrative State pensions, and no worry about paying their due taxes. On top of that, they fudged the numbers to get into the EU. That was Greece's downfall because now they have to answer to them. And now they are asking for a write-off? BS!! Greece has not watched their P's and Q's and now they are pissed that they have to pay up. What a ridiculous lot!! Man up, Greece. Stop embarrassing your children all over the world. Be a man, chin high, and clear the debt the responsible way. I can't see how someone can be so naive. There was NEVER any socialism in Greece. Greece's economy was always based on micro-capitalism, small inefficient family-owned business of micro-merchants, who never added any value to anything, usually had to tell lies to their customers 24x7 in order to keep them coming, while the technical "worker" class was always absent. Nobody created a technical (workers/farmers) class in Greece. It is in our nature to be micro-sellers, to buy cheap and sell high, apart from that neo-Greeks are lousy players (true Greeks CRETANS, CYPRIOTS and some others e.g. ZAKYNTHOS, SOUTH AEGEAN ISLANDS exlcuded). Now about the fudging numbers, you can't be real. The orders were clear from the AngloSaxon centers, and the Goths simply had to deliver. The fact that the numbers were of course cooked beyond repair is very true, but constitutes a technical detail in the whole picture. As far as clearing the debt in the responsible way, its like asking you pay twice as much you make. This can't be done. And this was of course known to the Anglosaxon centers when they were giving the orders back in 1990 to make Greece the center of the balkans and replace Yugoslavia. Also, lots of other interesting things were happening at the time : violent destruction of the north Slavic empire (CCCP), destruction and death in Bulgaria, and of course over 100,000 dead slavs in Yugodlavia, followed by massive migration abroad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 12:50:15 GMT -5
The Greek people must man up and pay up. They took what the socialist administrations gave them for their vote, enjoying all that good pay and lush retirements. Greece can not sustain this. Forgiving the debt will not fix anything. It will only cause this to happen again.
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Post by pyrrosveliki on Feb 20, 2015 3:01:56 GMT -5
My opinion and yours do not match. The great Yugoslav Mesa Selimovic had written that "two men who think cannot disagree". Apparently one of us cannot think, and I'd bet my chances this is not me. It will only cause this to happen again. I have analyzed this in detail. Read my post again, and ask where you don't understand anything. The nation of Greeks was *designed* to work like that since its perception by the Anglosaxons back in 1821. You can't blame the product for the wrong doings of the designer. I take it, you are alb? In this case this also applies x1000 times to Albs, who are even more lazy and incompetent than neo-Greeks.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 26, 2015 10:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by pyrrosveliki on Mar 27, 2015 0:29:39 GMT -5
Well,
still I see Serb, Bulgarian, Georgian, Ukranian, and Russian ladies cleaning houses, taking care of old people, and doing lower labor works, while Greeks enjoy in taverns *every* evening, driving their luxury german cars and blaming it all to anti-Greek conspiracy of the bad Germans.
Guys, sorry to burst your bubble but the (much more spiritual, organized and effective) balkans (Turkey included, Albanian excluded) are MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than Greece.
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