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Post by lascaros on Jul 2, 2018 13:35:45 GMT -5
I'm of Greek-Albanian decent, third generation in US and am trying to research my Grandfather whose name was Kukuretzes but I don't know the exact spelling. My father was adopted so he's not sure and had only some family history. I did find some immigration papers that said he was from Permeti.
So I do a Google search and all that comes up is my sister's ancestry.com file and a lot of wikepedia pages on Albania.
My understanding is he was a Greek-Albanian living in Albania in one of the Greek settlements in 1800s before coming to the US with is wife.
If anyone is familiar with this surname--or one that sounds like it--please let me know! I did a DNA test and came up exactly what I expected on my father's side: Greek, Albanian and a little bit of Turk and Eastern Europe.
Thanks so much!
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 3, 2018 1:54:51 GMT -5
Kukuruz = corn in most south Slavic languages.
Your parents were clearly Vlahs. Like most Vlahs/Albs their surnames are Slavic (for reasons you cannot understand yet).
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Post by lascaros on Jul 3, 2018 8:21:20 GMT -5
Thank you so much. I'm looking into learning about Vlahs. This is my grandparent--father's father. His mother was from Athens. This doesn't seem to be a common name. Could you help me find out more about the spelling or the region they come from? I'm wondering if there are more relatives in the Albania or Greece.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 3, 2018 8:39:03 GMT -5
it appears no such name in Greece.
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Post by lascaros on Jul 3, 2018 8:52:02 GMT -5
Pyrros, I'm doing some research--you've helped a great deal. When I did the DNA test, the only surprise was the Eastern European. Now this makes much more sense as I'm reading about the Vlahs.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 3, 2018 10:44:23 GMT -5
koker in Albanian simply means grain of anything
kokrize in Albanian means a single piece of grain
How do say it in Vlach pyrros ?
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Post by lascaros on Jul 3, 2018 11:07:16 GMT -5
I know Kokoretsi is in Greek Food-yuk. But maybe something to do with herding sheep if that is related? I'm going to ask my sister if she has anymore information. How can you google something and only get back Wikepedia pages of Albania? Google anything, you get hundreds of hits. This name? Nothing but pictures of mountains...beautiful, but no answers. You guys are very nice to help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 11:45:55 GMT -5
Kukuruz = corn in most south Slavic languages.Your parents were clearly Vlahs. Like most Vlahs/Albs their surnames are Slavic (for reasons you cannot understand yet). Almost all Slavic languages actually: Polish/Ukrainian - Kukurydza Russian/Belarussian - Kukuruza Slovak - kukurica Czech - kukurice
Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin - Kukuruz
only:
Slovenian - koruza Macedonian - pcenka Bulgarian - carevica
So in conclusion your ancestors were corn farmers lascaros
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Post by Sokol on Jul 3, 2018 18:43:22 GMT -5
Kukuruz = corn in most south Slavic languages.Your parents were clearly Vlahs. Like most Vlahs/Albs their surnames are Slavic (for reasons you cannot understand yet). Almost all Slavic languages actually: Polish/Ukrainian - Kukurydza Russian/Belarussian - Kukuruza Slovak - kukurica Czech - kukurice
Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin - Kukuruz
only:
Slovenian - koruza Macedonian - pcenka Bulgarian - carevica
So in conclusion your ancestors were corn farmers lascaros We also say Kocan/Кочан
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Post by lascaros on Jul 3, 2018 19:38:41 GMT -5
Thanks folks--that's what I gather! It seems like everyone during my grandfather's time changed their names whenever. He married my grandmother and they became Thomas in the states--she was Lascaros. But then she was Rita...
So any advice on where I can find out more about my corny ancestors? I can't seem to find Kukeretzes as a name in any culture.
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Post by lascaros on Jul 3, 2018 19:40:00 GMT -5
She was from Athens, Lascaros Stamos. A common name.
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Post by lascaros on Jul 3, 2018 21:26:59 GMT -5
How do you know all this? Like my Avatar--little corn grower girl.haha Almost all Slavic languages actually: Polish/Ukrainian - Kukurydza Russian/Belarussian - Kukuruza Slovak - kukurica Czech - kukurice
Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin - Kukuruz
only:
Slovenian - koruza Macedonian - pcenka Bulgarian - carevica
So in conclusion your ancestors were corn farmers lascaros We also say Kocan/Кочан
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 4, 2018 1:28:29 GMT -5
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 4, 2018 14:49:03 GMT -5
Kukuruz = corn in most south Slavic languages.Your parents were clearly Vlahs. Like most Vlahs/Albs their surnames are Slavic (for reasons you cannot understand yet). Almost all Slavic languages actually: Polish/Ukrainian - Kukurydza Russian/Belarussian - Kukuruza Slovak - kukurica Czech - kukurice
Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin - Kukuruz
only:
Slovenian - koruza Macedonian - pcenka Bulgarian - carevica
So in conclusion your ancestors were corn farmers lascaros Corn was brought to europe from America...
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 4, 2018 14:53:13 GMT -5
Almost all Slavic languages actually: Polish/Ukrainian - Kukurydza Russian/Belarussian - Kukuruza Slovak - kukurica Czech - kukurice
Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin - Kukuruz
only:
Slovenian - koruza Macedonian - pcenka Bulgarian - carevica
So in conclusion your ancestors were corn farmers lascaros Corn was brought to europe from America...
when did this happen?
how was is possible at 1500 AD for almost ALL slavs to "develop" the same word for corn?
I mean e.g. Poles and Serbs has been in different systems since eternity ....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 15:08:52 GMT -5
Corn was brought to europe from America...
when did this happen?
how was is possible at 1500 AD for almost ALL slavs to "develop" the same word for corn?
I mean e.g. Poles and Serbs has been in different systems since eternity ....
Indeed maize reached Europe not long after 1492, but in this case I think it was spread through new Slavic lands by other Slavic people that already adopted the maize before, so they also transfered the word for maize, which later changed just a tiny bit.
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Post by lascaros on Jul 4, 2018 16:27:30 GMT -5
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Post by lascaros on Jul 4, 2018 20:44:38 GMT -5
Ah, I don't read that much Greek...tiny bit and don't understand what I can read! Thanks for that.
She was Lascaros Marguerite Stamos, born 1908 in Messaria, Athens. I have one pictures-with a sister. The sister looks crazy-ha. Her Mother (my great grandmother)was Sirigou.
I did the DNA test and it came back Greek, Turk and Eastern European which makes sense with being a Vlah.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 5, 2018 0:26:41 GMT -5
when did this happen?
how was is possible at 1500 AD for almost ALL slavs to "develop" the same word for corn?
I mean e.g. Poles and Serbs has been in different systems since eternity ....
Indeed maize reached Europe not long after 1492, but in this case I think it was spread through new Slavic lands by other Slavic people that already adopted the maize before, so they also transfered the word for maize, which later changed just a tiny bit. How is this possible when maize was only in europe after 1492?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 0:38:21 GMT -5
Indeed maize reached Europe not long after 1492, but in this case I think it was spread through new Slavic lands by other Slavic people that already adopted the maize before, so they also transfered the word for maize, which later changed just a tiny bit. How is this possible when maize was only in europe after 1492? Through Austria-Hungary at the period when most Slavs lived there
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