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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 26, 2018 15:31:40 GMT -5
Balkanians should be working towards helping each other!
Europeans until the 1WW were seen by the rest of the world as more or less united and strong.
1WW showed the world that was not then case. 2WW confirmed that. 2WW was even used as a pretext to inflict guilt into younger generations upon Germans. Then this would pretty much spread among other Europeans as well. I can see a pretty much open attack on Europeans in terms of identity, family and culture/religion. This is also happening across other 'satellite' countries where 'Europeans' are majority (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand). These Europeans have to forget who they are and accept 100 of millions of migrants who will in effect replace them. This is a far cry from 100 years ago when Europeans who proud of who they are and had at least future.
What am I getting at?
Europeans (lets leave Balkans out of this for now) in Europe and 'satellites' are in a far stage of 'decay. This 'decay' has been happening since 2WW and seems coordinated.
I am not doing to go as into who I think is coordinating it (other then saying western elite (*WE) and 'fake-ones').
A) Russia seems to be the only bigger European country that stayed true to itself. B) Some E.Eur (*EE) countries same thing (Hun, Aus, Pol, Cze, Slovk) and they seem to functioning more and more as a block. C) Turkey seems to be the only Balkan country that is acting truly independent (outside Hungary).
How authentic is A / B / C is a different topic or whether it is all coordinated with WE. (considering Orban was a Soros product initially, I would not be surprised)
Back to Balkans now.
What has divisions and wars in former Yu brought us all?
Brought us new statelets with ever diminishing economies/exports, ever increasing western imports.
Brought us ever increasing foreign debt which will likely never be paid.
Greece is World Bank colony and so is every other state in Balkans
(whether realizing it or not).
Brought us Banana republics.
Simply put, unless Balkan nations do not start working with each other (politically and economically)
I fail to see any future for any of us.
I fact what I see is probably all of our states being replaced by migrants.
In such scenario we will all become diaspora.
In such scenario all current Balkan conflicts will become trivial if not laughable.
(especially laughable to the migrants who would have replaced us)
I believe other European areas are too far gone and are in advanced stage of decay and ripe for takeover.
E.Europe and Russia and Turkey have a chance.
(Turkey also has to be perceived as an ally as well as EE and R)
Balkans being is in between (in between E.Eur / Russia / Turkey) should naturally gravitate towards these.
Plus it should gravitate to become "self-aware" and not strive to mimic suicidal west.
Try to address each other here with respect.
No need to distance each other more then we already are.
If current course remains for much of Balkans future seems , in best case scenario, bleak!!! (Minimum, we can put our conflicts on pause for a while!)
Please BECOME WISER and stop being someone else's pawn !! (as it is not in our best interest to remain antagonistic towards each other if we are to survive)
I need everyone to address each other with at least respect.
PS:
Some of you might have views that makes you antagonistic towards other fellow balkanians that this is not helping anyone.
Insults do not help towards working with each other.
(IN FACT THEY ASSURE WE WILL PROBABLY DISAPPEAR AS PEOPLE)
PLEASE LETS BECOME AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS
THANK YOU
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 27, 2018 1:37:55 GMT -5
Dok koristimo engleski jezik ili njemski jezik, i osecamo se kao najgori seljaci nikada nece promjeniti. Pa cilj propasti Turske imperije, a i jugoslevenske imperije je bilo stavarnje malih malih drzava koje su glupe, nacionalisticke i samoubilacke.
Ako bi imalo samo jugoslavija i bugarska, savez bi bilo lak i brz.
Ali imati siptara i lazno-grka to je tesko i slabo.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2018 13:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 28, 2018 21:17:22 GMT -5
1)
I will respond in English as this is Balkan sub-forum.
The purpose of the wars in former Yugoslavia was to create smaller weaker nations, correct.
How was this done?
By spiking the nationalist fever that was focusing on attacking and hating the other side.
(which is the same exact thing I am proposing we fight against here in this post)
All the nationalist leaders* from former Yugo back that are more or less proven to be agents of the WE.
*(Nikolic, Vucic, Djukanovic, Kilibarda in Montenegro, Vuk Draskovic, etc)
The only one who benefited in doing this is the WE and their companies as now we are their colonies.
So we know what is the methods they use and which works in their favor!
2)
I am not proposing a union or that we all start thinking alike and become like fraternal twins in everything.
I said for us to work towards helping each other and instead of injuring each other.
Helping each other can only make us stronger while injuring each other can only make us weaker.
3)
This is also not about picking allies or enemies.
Neighbors are neighbors and we do not have the luxury of picking them.
I believe it is in our interest to work with each other.
Alternative to this is to remain colonies of the WE and be gradually replaced by migrants.
4)
Let me make this even more simplified.
In retrospect each Balkan state is to small to make any head-waves in world affairs or even in Balkans itself.
Therefore *Balkans would have be regarded as one unit in terms of geopolitics and it was to have any say in world affairs which then also means in their own affairs.
(*with or without Turkey, if without T then it would still be wise to have T on friendly terms.
Like the way T is trying with Iran and Russia)
Only being coordinated can we have impact on our future.
Only coordinated can we heal and create a healthy body (which takes all of Balkans).
Remaining apart (or even worse, antagonistic) to me only means cancer will advance further!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 28, 2018 21:30:34 GMT -5
Lets look at this for another light.
Almost all of us live outside of Balkans.
Serbia since 2000 (when it officially become a colony of WE) has had 800,000 workers* move out. (many of whom is high skill labor!!!)
What are the numbers in other Balkan countries.
Vucic is on one end ensuring that the reasons for our emigration to the west remain and on the other is now openly saying
he is not worried since he will bring migrants to replace these usually younger Serbs as workers!!!
Obviously Vucic is not working for Serbian interests, on contrary.
Greece has their own Vucic who allows migrants on mass to come (while contributing in increasing debt and devastating local economy at the SAME TIME).
Macedonia same thing.
Montenegro same thing.
Croatia same thing.
Bosnia same thing.
Albania same thing.
And we are supposed to do what here talk about some imagined topics.
Lets say it is true that Greeks are Albs or they have their mentality or whatever, so what!!
How is this helping Balkans?
This as far as 99.9999% of balkans is not and will never be an issue or even a topic for conversation.
I say lets be practical and deal with real issues here.
We are still where we are.
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 28, 2018 23:12:47 GMT -5
in every organization there has to be a head authority. The one who sets the ethics, morals, ideals, culture, general strategy. In the west, the head is clearly the anglo-saxon culture. Everybody in the west obeys anglo-saxons and accepts them as the ultimate authority in the universe. No one questions them.
So, now we talk about making balkans a friendly place towards each other, as a means to make life more bearable and also to fight the asians muslims, which indeed are a reality. Normally I wouldn't give a chi1t about them in Athens, as Athens is so chaotic, seems to have absolutely no control, no planning, no collective thinking / praying, no character, no local attitude, nothing massive but stupidity. So even if I cared about immigrant in Athens, still I would not find nobody (sane) to share it with. *But* In my poor vlah hometown (which was still Slavic back in 1500 or maybe even 1700), I saw lots of them in the streets. Families. What's the purpose? What does the almighty west plan to do with them?
Do you remember the 2014 floods? The spirit of help between Orthodox, Muslim and Catholic Slavs (who are all Serbs)?? Ask Nole Djokovic, how many weeks passed since the floods started that the first western paper said anything about it. The west DID NOT LIKE THIS SPIRIT. THE WEST DOES NOT LIKE SLAVS. What more has to happen for us to see this?
Another issue is the west, of course, it self. Clearly the current status is ideal for them, otherwise they would start a new war tomorrow. So even thinking about any friendship would be hard to achieve. Another issue is on which terms? Of course the moment any initiative starts, IT WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THE SLAVS. West will start endorsing this "friendship" with theories that all balkans are greek or alb or "autochthonous", slavs do not exist as a race, slavic are only linguistic "peculiarity" and nothing more, we have heard all that, right?. We all heard the latest theories that Montes are not Slavic, etc, that's what they propagandize in their papers. ( I don't read those western papers but talking with "educated" "Greeks" from my family is enough....)
So such a balkan approach would only harm the Slavs.
That's why I think that at the first stage, Greece and Albania should be left out.
Slavs should be secretly working towards unification.
When the time is mature, the best of Greeks and Albs should join the union. The rest should be converted.
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 28, 2018 23:23:03 GMT -5
When was it, I dont recall exactly the date, one year ago maybe, when at the peak of the anti-Makedonian, oopps sorry anti-gypsy-Skopian frenzy, when 100% of proud Greeks were cursing and spitting the bad bad bad monkey gypsy shit-albano-bulgarian subhuman Skopians, etc etc with (tons just tons of idiocy), at the same time, in exact date! , in EVERY balkan parliament passed a law about accepting 3rd gender in Schools....
that's the balkans today....
someone is working to build the biggest and tallest barriers among Balkan countries. And I guess they know what they are doing and why.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 1:44:34 GMT -5
Emperor AAdminNothing strange there. Most of the world is held by, so called, elite societies. For example, when it comes to banking most worlds banks are held by zionists (IMF, Goldman Sachs, Federal Reserve etc), most military industry by WASPs(Lockhead-Martin, Airbus, Colt and many more) , civilian mechanical industry by Germans(Mercedes, BMW, Bosch...). These consortiums set the governments (not just of small irrelevant countries like us in the Balkans, but far bigger even like Germany or UK) in accordance to their needs, by taking into account economic predictions. So how do you expect from average citizen to understand something thats beyond him?
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 30, 2018 0:33:54 GMT -5
Emperor AAdmin Nothing strange there. Most of the world is held by, so called, elite societies. For example, when it comes to banking most worlds banks are held by zionists (IMF, Goldman Sachs, Federal Reserve etc), most military industry by WASPs(Lockhead-Martin, Airbus, Colt and many more) , civilian mechanical industry by Germans(Mercedes, BMW, Bosch...). These consortiums set the governments (not just of small irrelevant countries like us in the Balkans, but far bigger even like Germany or UK) in accordance to their needs, by taking into account economic predictions. So how do you expect from average citizen to understand something thats beyond him? they rely on 3rd world countries for materials/resources |
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 30, 2018 1:32:05 GMT -5
balkans are not irrelevant. Otherwise the sleepless NWO demons would not be occupied with balkans 24x7 .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 1:43:01 GMT -5
Emperor AAdmin Nothing strange there. Most of the world is held by, so called, elite societies. For example, when it comes to banking most worlds banks are held by zionists (IMF, Goldman Sachs, Federal Reserve etc), most military industry by WASPs(Lockhead-Martin, Airbus, Colt and many more) , civilian mechanical industry by Germans(Mercedes, BMW, Bosch...). These consortiums set the governments (not just of small irrelevant countries like us in the Balkans, but far bigger even like Germany or UK) in accordance to their needs, by taking into account economic predictions. So how do you expect from average citizen to understand something thats beyond him? they rely on 3rd world countries for materials/resources Because they know 3rd world is cheap and their citizens stupid. |
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 30, 2018 2:02:18 GMT -5
they rely on 3rd world countries for materials/resources Because they know 3rd world is cheap and their citizens stupid. so true. |
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 7, 2018 15:44:04 GMT -5
I like Balkan people, but as long as 80% of the world, and an even bigger percentage of the natives, consider Greece as a Euro-mediterranean (and kin of South Italy and Iberia) rather than Balkan country, why should we associate ourselves with Balkans?
I mean, i respect the fact that some provinces and some classes may have more in common with Balkans than most of the country has, but the core of our identity is Euro-med
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 8, 2018 1:02:47 GMT -5
I like Balkan people, but as long as 80% of the world, and an even bigger percentage of the natives, consider Greece as a Euro-mediterranean (and kin of South Italy and Iberia) rather than Balkan country, why should we associate ourselves with Balkans? I mean, i respect the fact that some provinces and some classes may have more in common with Balkans than most of the country has, but the core of our identity is Euro-med greece is 100% balkan |
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 8, 2018 2:25:12 GMT -5
dont pay attention to this pseudo-greek troll.
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 8, 2018 8:31:54 GMT -5
Nobody declared you personally the one who will decide whether a country is Balkan or not, and especially about Greece Greece is not Balkan |
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 8, 2018 10:47:33 GMT -5
Then what are you doing here on a Balkan forum   |
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 8, 2018 11:12:50 GMT -5
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 8, 2018 14:33:08 GMT -5
ever heard of balkan wars? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Warshow about balkanization?  how bout culturally? all greeks say "Hajde" "Opa" and "Mashalla" right? go ask a friend of yours they'll say that greece is balkan  |
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 8, 2018 15:18:09 GMT -5
ever heard of balkan wars? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Warshow about balkanization? how bout culturally? all greeks say "Hajde" "Opa" and "Mashalla" right? go ask a friend of yours they'll say that greece is balkan So, Greeks say Mashalla, then I must not live in Greece, since I never heared any countryman of mine to say such a thing, and honestly, it's the first time I read this word, or it's an enormous evidence of the fact that you have no idea about anything regarding Greece How about the fact that there is nothing Balkan about Greek culture, and that most of our culture is completely alien to yours?    when people visit Greece, its culture, be it architecture, music etc reminds of mediterranean Southern Europe, can you show me a single example of such architecture in your Balkan country:        I saw similar pics all day when I was in Campania, meanwhile never did in Bulgaria, and the funny fact is that unlike Serbs with whom we don't even share borders, Bulgarians are aware of this fact Can you post me a single song like the following from your country: Only specific parts of the country, which make up a minority in the population, have significant similarities with you, the biggest part (south and the islands) has nothing in common with you And it's actually your own map that shows the enormous difference between Greece and Balkans, Greece for the most part 0-370 years under Ottomans meanwhile Balkans 150-450, with the fundamental difference being that Greece experienced enlightenment meanwhile Balkans didn't, let alone that Greece has parts that experience Renaissance, something that no single Balkan country did  two centuries ago, we were an independent European kingdom, the same time that you were "blue"  Also, what about this one:  Should I also mention the last century, when all of you were under communism meanwhile Greece was a stable part of the west? And at least Bulgaria is under westernization process, meanwhile Serbia, Bosnia, Albania and Fyrom have not achieved even the basic conditions in 2018 you can keep focusing on opa (which i have no idea since when it's "balkanic") and "Haide". we also have some hudreds of latin italian, french, spanish etc words in our language, I guess they don't count as they are incompatible with your balkan image. the funny fact is that: www.quora.com/What-does-Greek-sound-to-non-Greek-speakers9 out of 10 say "it sounds like Spanish", and it's centum IE  You told me to ask any friend of mine.. Well I did, nobody considered himself Balkanian, something compatible with what internet Polls among Greeks also say thanks for making it so easy for me  |
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