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Post by kasso on Dec 28, 2007 13:42:37 GMT -5
Albania should participate and be more active in foreign affairs and events in the daily politics of the Middle East. Albania has a unique position to participate in restoring peace, security and stability in this troubled continent. Albania's political voice is very valuable and is received with pleasure by Western countries and wholehearted believer of the islamic faith.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 28, 2007 13:50:51 GMT -5
Shut up you half-Bosniak. The middle east and Albania are far apart. The furthest east Albania should go is Turkey, and even, I say stick along the western part. The less contact with those Islamist pricks, the safer and better.
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Post by kasso on Dec 28, 2007 14:20:13 GMT -5
Toskali, first of all I'm not Bosniac and second of all the world becomes a better and safer place once we together condemn islamic extreamism. I have my political opinion which may be different from yours. Your opinions are strictly critical to everything which contains the word "Arabs". Your prejudice have become so obivious and frankly I'm becoming a bit irritated, sick and tired of your irrational comments. But I question though, what's your opinion concerning Albania's military presence in Iraq?
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 28, 2007 14:21:59 GMT -5
Albanian military presence in Iraq is getting American attention... what does it have to do with the middle east you ***?
And I have a right to speak bad about Arabs.
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Post by kasso on Dec 28, 2007 14:28:29 GMT -5
There are no bad ethnicities, only bad people and ****like you who can't tell that Iraq is part of the Middle East. Please expound your views about Albania's military presence in the Iraq. You said it yourself
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Post by viktor1 on Dec 28, 2007 14:54:50 GMT -5
Toskaliku o vlla. . . I understand u why they snitch on u....As long as we don't consentrate on faiths..we r in safe...and as long as we fight for red'n'black eagle and our freedom + Justice...the future will look much more better to us.....but anyway i don't why i'm speaking cuz nobody seems to listen...
Anyway...Proud 2 b DARDANIAN
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Post by kasso on Dec 28, 2007 15:12:21 GMT -5
Middle East is the key to the West!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 16:08:54 GMT -5
Middle East is the key to the West!With all do respect Kasso how exactly do you see this. I though that ME is important to the west primarily for the oil and gas reserves it contains and for as long as local governments in ME cooperate with West (in oil/gas production/distribution) the policies of their governments will be largely overlooked (example being numerous 'Islamic' extremist governments in Arabian governments whose very social policies are inspiration to people like Bin Laden even though such government's are politically close allies to western countries like US). I placed 'Islamic' there is these governments are anything but truly Islamic as they are following extremist pseudo-Islamic sect called Wahhabi's that controls Saudi Arabia and serves as inspiration to rest of Arabian peninsula. Then sect is barely 200 years old and has nothing in common with original intellectually progressive Arabic Islam as it existed 1000 years ago which was called 'Golden Age of Islam'. This same Wahhabism has been exporting its extremist ideas in other parts of the world (including Pakistan which also mimics much its policies). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Agevs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WahhabiPS: Once oil runs oil that is likely the same time Wahhabism will run out of being financial useful towards the west. Therefore ME can be viewed as a key to the west in one aspect and that is that ME (and overall speaking Islamic world) is the only region that is still strongly resisting to being culturally westernized and once westernized (like Turkey already is and much of central Asian republics) it will mean that the culture of the west has prevailed over the planet. We might be 50-100 years from that point.
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Post by kasso on Dec 28, 2007 17:59:49 GMT -5
What I meant was that Albania's key to the West is Middle East. Albania should and could play a significant role in spreading peace and security in the Middle East through honourable diplomatic and political conduct. Albania is truely the bridge between East and West. Albania would profite alot from diplomatic and political activity in the Middle East. Albania would be seen by the West as a good state and the country could get closer to the EU. Simply Albania would be the West's marionette in political and diplomatic affairs in the Middle East.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 18:22:00 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that Albania is viewed as part of the west already as it is a fully westernized society that is situated in the 'west' (Europe in this case). It is also just a matter of time before it is in EU. I am pretty sure both west and east view Albania as a western country and therefore will never be able to be viewed as a 'bridge' between east and west.
Turkey on the other hand might be able to be viewed in such matter as it is physically in both east and west (Asia and Europe) and its power and size would dictate it to be viewed as such (although it is technically a western secular country on its way to enter EU).
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Post by donnie on Dec 28, 2007 18:23:50 GMT -5
Every country should condemn the barbaric murder of Benazir Bhutto. But that doesn't mean we should trick ourselves into thinking we can achieve something such as peace in the Middle East.
We should be preoccupied with the welfare of our own state/s. Not to be racist or anything, but I feel a certain distaste when I see UNMIK officials of African decent coming to Kosova, allegedly to "uphold peace and order" -- these people come from the same place of the world which is torn by wars, civil wars and diseases such as AIDS. It makes little sense for them to teach us on how to maintain and build a peaceful society while their homecountries are burning and dying.
Likewise, the assistance in the Middle East should come from the most prosperous and progressive countries in the world.
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Post by kasso on Dec 28, 2007 18:30:28 GMT -5
We may very well not achieve peace and stability throughout the region but we sure can play a significant role in political affairs through diplomacy. Take a look at Sweden as an example!
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Post by donnie on Dec 28, 2007 18:41:17 GMT -5
Exactly. Take a look at Sweden; it is in no way connected to the Muslim world since it is a Protestant country. Nevertheless it enjoys international respect due to it being a wealthy country and due to it being a country with a traditionally neutral stance in international politics. Although the latter is a matter of debate, it cannot be denied that this is the profile the Swedes have attained ever since World War Two. You do not have to be a "bridge" between east and west to be a successful and reputed mediator.
It is wealth and the manner in which you make politics that give certain countries certain respect as mediators.
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Post by jerryspringer on Dec 28, 2007 20:05:49 GMT -5
Maybe one day it will attain internal respect as well, since most Swedes are sick and tired of their politicians and view them as cowards and cheaters. They want their country to adopt the model that Denmark is having.
Since I have moved to Denmark since September, I think my stand on the issue is quite clear.
As for their neutrality...too bad Chaplin is dead. Otherwise, he could make a mock movie of their neutrality, much like he did to Hitler in The Dictator. Skip us the 08-propaganda...thx.
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Post by Albanoi on Dec 28, 2007 21:06:36 GMT -5
I think everyone kind of knew that she was going to get killed in this messy country. I think all country's all over the world should get together and find a solution, so they can stop those fanatics without brain.
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Post by albquietman on Dec 28, 2007 23:05:59 GMT -5
We may very well not achieve peace and stability throughout the region but we sure can play a significant role in political affairs through diplomacy. Take a look at Sweden as an example! Albania its not even close to Sweden on everything, so comparing the two is plain naive. You've got to have some economic power or at least wise politicians to have your voice to be heard. Albania doesn't have either one of them. I know that you say that because Albania for some reason is counted as a muslim country, which every time I hear it, it sounds strange to me, because except the stupid mosques that arabs built in Albania, nothing else is muslim there. We albanians do not want to belong to any religion at all, and practically we don't, let alone the religion of the middle east. I don't see any common characteristics between us and the middle easterns. I don't mean to be mean, but their religion and way of life just doesn't fit in our life. I hate it when I go to Albania and hear these stupid voices from the mosques. They should do something about it, because its plain stupid having these recorded voices disturb the public 5 am just because they think that they're talking to God...using a voice recorder. Arabs will try to play the tough guy as long as they have oil and we are depended on oil. But it's not totally their fault. As long as Corporate America will go after the money and only the money, we will not see any improvement in non-oil dependent technologies, because we all know that oil gives them a big profit, especially lately when the price has tripled for no reason or stupid reasons...but when the oil era will end, then will see how tough they are and how many mosques can build...before the oil era we almost forgot that they even existed...
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 28, 2007 23:38:53 GMT -5
especially lately when the price has tripled for no reason or stupid reasons.[/img] I dont think the reasons are stupid or illogical for such price hike in fact they might be very logical. Oil reserves in ME and elsewhere (read: OPEC) are very limited and by some estimates will run out within several decades if not earlier. By reducing somewhat the output and hiking prices they are trying to milk the reserves as much as possible. Second point is that certain Arab OPEC countries have gone a step further and begun successfully diversifying their economy (clear example being UAE or United Arab Emirates). I am fairly sure it just a matter of time before other countries in the region start emulating UAE's economic path of success. 50 years from now I am pretty sure will be a very different social environment in ME from the one now, far less conservative and there is a pretty good chance westernization/globalisation (including via global media such as internet) would have occurred a great deal by then. In fact this is expected as arab world 1000 years ago was most progressive society globally at the time and there is no logical reason for these artificial (wahhabi 'inspired') constraints imposed upon these societies to resume 50 years from now. Benazir Bhutto is an example of modernization of the Islamic world that even military there has not been able to stop her before from assuming power or commanding a major political party. Her death is just a momentary setback that will be martyred for the moderization cause that will only strenghen after this.
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Post by fannoli on Dec 29, 2007 4:36:05 GMT -5
Kassandri has a point. No need to get apenuts about it everytime the world muslim/islam gets mentioned. However i disagree with his opinion. What i advice for Albania is non-interference in any country in the world. We should give main focus on our own economy and development. The maturity of our political leaders is a key step to joining NATO soon and EU later on. Thats our most important goal. However we should keep good relationship with every country in the world who is considered our ally, whether east or west. We should encourage democratic processes in the middle-east. Nothing wrong with that!!!
It serves our interest.. but it stops there and not more flirty
We should be preoccupied with the welfare of our own state/s. Not to be racist or anything, but I feel a certain distaste when I see UNMIK officials of African decent coming to Kosova, allegedly to "uphold peace and order" -- these people come from the same place of the world which is torn by wars, civil wars and diseases such as AIDS. It makes little sense for them to teach us on how to maintain and build a peaceful society while their homecountries are burning and dying.
Dijedon, they dont represent Africa but England and US and other stronger countries.
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Post by kasso on Dec 29, 2007 8:37:46 GMT -5
Emperor AAdmin, Who did EU ask for help when the Arab world protested against Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons? Albania or Turkey? Albania of course! I founded some interesting information which maybe you want to read: Though strongly secular, Albania is the only country in Europe that has a Muslim majority, and the only European member of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference. www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/7190/Face it, Turkey is not the bridge between East and West, one of the reason is that they have bad relations with Eastern countries and people, especially the conflict between them and the Kurds. Turkey can be considered the bridge between East and West to some extent but cannot be compared with Albania which has good relations with many countries in the Middle East. Turkey is no more than a country with problems/conflicts and part of the troubled continent.
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Post by kasso on Dec 29, 2007 16:11:36 GMT -5
FanNoli, what's apenuts?
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