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Post by jingukr on Jun 20, 2021 2:29:45 GMT -5
i am going to focus mainly on one group who makes the extreme fuss about it while they are no different mainly the muslims
muslims are inaccurate historically and biased from their prespective to hold a grudge against israel and the west and point and shout and out any for colonialism while they themselves are colonialists and expansionists and still are and many of the modern muslim day populations around the middleeast are a product of colonial settlement as much
the most affected are the following regions EGYPT , IRAQ assyria region , going into the levant costal areas
and going up with the history of byzantine and constantinople with exchange with the ottomans and modern turkey
not just with a certain muslim group like the peninsular arab muslims colonialism and expansions but many muslims groups have a history with the same thing
muslims point of view or the excuses they use are
A- they freed oppressed people
B- the modern population are converts
C - they treated indigenous populations with tolerance and respect
all of this are highly wrong and inaccurate on their own
also muslims play alot on the exchanged meaning between a group doing religious missionary work and an army that's taking over lands under the name conquests mainly viewing it as preaching religion while it was invasion and colonialism
muslim colonialism before is practically the same as european colonialism in the modern century
even with the modern conflict that we have today like israel palestine thing
both side made up some false narratives when it comes to it
but the most inaccurate and fabricated are infact the muslim palestinians and the arab counterparts around them
with the history of that land alone and where the name palestine came from
the amount of revisionism that muslims did to get away with it is immense
while they pretending to be all victims and innocent their history alone was no rainbows and butterflies
in this day and age where everyone is getting outed for colonialism and expansionism
i don't see why muslims should get away with it while other groups shouldn't or if that is the case everybody should just let it go
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 2:00:22 GMT -5
I don't support any left-leaning ideological school of thought, so blaming Muslims for trying to make their world better place for themselves is not what I'm going to do. Many Arabic countries are by far better places to live than anywhere in Western Europe and Anglosphere (US/Canada/Australia). They don't rob their people with impossibly high taxes, they don't impose tyranny through stupid, pointless and mind-blowing regulations, don't create institutions that should not exist in first place and that have sole goal to control the citizens of those countries, and they don't suck out life energy out of their citizens by forcing them to work beyond their possibilities (modern form of slavery).
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Post by jingukr on Jun 27, 2021 12:01:25 GMT -5
I don't support any left-leaning ideological school of thought, so blaming Muslims for trying to make their world better place for themselves is not what I'm going to do. Many Arabic countries are by far better places to live than anywhere in Western Europe and Anglosphere (US/Canada/Australia). They don't rob their people with impossibly high taxes, they don't impose tyranny through stupid, pointless and mind-blowing regulations, don't create institutions that should not exist in first place and that have sole goal to control the citizens of those countries, and they don't suck out life energy out of their citizens by forcing them to work beyond their possibilities (modern form of slavery). what left ideological view the point isn't that colonialism is bad the point is lying about europeans colonized and many went to those colonies for a better life or a new beginning europeans aren't ashamed of what they are or what they were once upon a time until the media artificially in the west and other places changed that in the last couple of decades pointing the arabs hypocrisy for the fact they point the finger to other's for being the same as they are and they demonize them arabs pretend that they are higher moral and ethical when they weren't , arabs themselves take the left ideological view when outed for things they hold on other people espcially europeans and other's when it comes to topics conquest colonialism and slavery etc arabs they conquered they killed they enslaved or discriminated they made genocides just like any colonizer and still today the natives of the land are under their occupation and many fled too because of discrimination ask groups like assyrians and copts the natives have been under the rules of the arabs who colonized their lands and then left the trail of settlers who occupy and compose the modern populations of many lands today from egypt to some muslim groups of the levant and then you have assyrian land the arabs conquered and erased cultures too you didn't think the entire middleeast and north africa suddenly starting being arabized or speaking arabic or the islamized or arabized image that's painted over the middleeast today is natural if the arabs and association with other muslim groups weren't ashamed of themselves why would they revisionize the histories of the land they conquered and took over i don't see europeans doing it even from america to australia to any colony by europeans if the arabs were so fair why would they demonize israel for wining the land by conquests like they took over other lands once upon a time even the jews wanted a better life in israel but the arabs demonize them and pretending to be innocent victims from beyond who never did anything wrong especially when it comes to colonialism and occupation who many of the lands in the middleeast are occupied because of them you must know i am from the middleeast our history books that we take in schools are filled with bullshit till no end arabs demonizing europeans from ancient antiquity like romans and medieval like the crusades till modern times with the british empires and other's who they describe were oppressive and tyrants and colonialists while they were the saviors of other's and their rule was like rainbows and butterflies and they glorify their conquests and colonialism of other places like spain and many other's the arabs and muslims were no different at all than any colonizer like they sugarcoat themselves to be and also the arabs you are talking about who are doing great are the gulf arabs who the west helped them inexchange for their oil which are a few like saudi arabia , qatar kuwait oman etc exclude yemen other's like egypt and some countries in the levant syria and iraq and even other north african countries are pure garbage thirldworld countries i suggest you should read on arab countries and their human rights violations too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 15:49:21 GMT -5
When you mention Muslims as a group, my first association are Arabic countries of Arabian peninsula. Most of them are well standing. You got many people coming to work there, from a lot of different countries, it means they are not tyrannical. I heard countries there don't allow citizenship to members of other nations (even if these people were born there), which is 100% good thing for the host nation. Until recently there were countries like Syria and Libya with similar high living standards, with very low taxes, and focus on national and religious identity. That's how it should be. Countries should not focus on minority groups. Ethnic and other minority groups, like LGBTQ+ movements, SJW movements, etc, are only used to destabilize any country they show up. They are part of violent left-leaning ideologies or they are paid by a adversarial country to be an opposition. When it comes to non-ethic/non-religious minorities they are huge cowards because they are mostly atheists, they don't believe in God and if faced against equal or even weaker but opponent with higher integrity and devotion to their cause, these groups would easily get crushed. They can only win if they victimize and successfully use divide and conquer strategy afterwards, in order to fracture the host nation to small, divided groups that can't provide any form of resistance. They also use many forms of disinformation and confusion tactics to infiltrate the minds of members of host nation. Now that being said, it is foolish for a government of host nation to provide any support to those opposing minority group. So that's where comes my point about colonialism as a part of fabricated concept of left-leaning ideological movements. I can see the pattern there. Also, if history teaches us something about human civilizations its that nations come and go, all the time. I don't see anyone accusing Mongolians for waging biological warfare in Middle Ages (that's how plague arrived in Europe and Middle East) against enemies of Golden Horde, or Aborigines of New Zealand for committing genocide when they conquered few islands of Polynesia, upon which they cooked and ate the previous inhabitants. As to putting the blame on others, I can see how these Muslim nations you described use that strategy mostly when they are being accused by those aforementioned groups or nations as a part of mechanism to lay off the pressure from their backs. I don't like such behavior but I understand why it is necessary.
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Post by jingukr on Jun 28, 2021 6:24:48 GMT -5
When you mention Muslims as a group, my first association are Arabic countries of Arabian peninsula. Most of them are well standing. You got many people coming to work there, from a lot of different countries, it means they are not tyrannical. I heard countries there don't allow citizenship to members of other nations (even if these people were born there), which is 100% good thing for the host nation. Until recently there were countries like Syria and Libya with similar high living standards, with very low taxes, and focus on national and religious identity. That's how it should be. Countries should not focus on minority groups. Ethnic and other minority groups, like LGBTQ+ movements, SJW movements, etc, are only used to destabilize any country they show up. They are part of violent left-leaning ideologies or they are paid by a adversarial country to be an opposition. When it comes to non-ethic/non-religious minorities they are huge cowards because they are mostly atheists, they don't believe in God and if faced against equal or even weaker but opponent with higher integrity and devotion to their cause, these groups would easily get crushed. They can only win if they victimize and successfully use divide and conquer strategy afterwards, in order to fracture the host nation to small, divided groups that can't provide any form of resistance. They also use many forms of disinformation and confusion tactics to infiltrate the minds of members of host nation. Now that being said, it is foolish for a government of host nation to provide any support to those opposing minority group. So that's where comes my point about colonialism as a part of fabricated concept of left-leaning ideological movements. I can see the pattern there. Also, if history teaches us something about human civilizations its that nations come and go, all the time. I don't see anyone accusing Mongolians for waging biological warfare in Middle Ages (that's how plague arrived in Europe and Middle East) against enemies of Golden Horde, or Aborigines of New Zealand for committing genocide when they conquered few islands of Polynesia, upon which they cooked and ate the previous inhabitants. As to putting the blame on others, I can see how these Muslim nations you described use that strategy mostly when they are being accused by those aforementioned groups or nations as a part of mechanism to lay off the pressure from their backs. I don't like such behavior but I understand why it is necessary. if it's necessary then why europeans don't do it themselves ? infact europeans never do they own up to it by the right response that they basically won the land by conquest and it was colonialism if you want it you have to win it back and pretty funny the arabs themselves become left leaning when they attack europeans for those topics which europeans themselves wouldn't mention if the arabs didn't point finger while the arabs themselves which they wish the west would crumble and they sometimes wish they would conquer it themselves arabs themselves are part of left groups and manipulate them "I can see how these Muslim nations you described use that strategy mostly when they are being accused by those aforementioned groups or nations as a part of mechanism to lay off the pressure from their backs. I don't like such behavior but I understand why it is necessary.'' i am sorry we aren't talking about individuals who are responsible for their own choices we are talking about a group who basically responsible for other's now and how they try to make themselves get away with everything to not make themselves accountable using victim complex and one sided view isn't that what everyone hates about the jews ? funny double standards comes towards when the arabs are being accountable for the same thing and do exactly the same thing the jews are doing all the time and what does this have to do with them being well standing or their policies ? they are well standing sure but they want that for themselves not you funny they think rights of conquest and slavery for themselves only but not for anyone else even if they colonized you the idea isn't colonialism is bad or expansionism like most of even first world countries are colonies it's their double standards and lying
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