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Post by radovic on Nov 30, 2007 21:32:23 GMT -5
The ROC it's self recognizes it is not a church with authority in Eastern Serbia. This is the map of areas it has authority and it's division into Archbishopric and Bishoprics. Clearly it is not present in Eastern Serbia:
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Post by c0gnate on Nov 30, 2007 21:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by radovic on Dec 1, 2007 1:41:29 GMT -5
When I googled it it did not come up. furthermore can you read, clearny not so I'll translate vital parts: Легенда каже да су се после боја на Косову мештани овог села разбежали на све стране у страху од Турака и да је у њему остала само очајна мајка Милоша Обилића Legend says that after the battle of Kosovo the inhabitants of this village fled on all sides from fear of turks and that in this place only Milos Obilic's mother remained. Again. You claimed newspapers claim this fact. Yet the first sentence in the article says it is a legend. Десетак километара јужније, поред магистралног пута Неготин – Мајданпек налазе се остаци утврђења који су подигли још Римљани, али га мештани називају Милошева кула. 10 kilometers to the south, beside the highway Negotin-Majdanpek are the remains of a fortress that was set up by Romana, but locals call it Miloseva Kula. Clearly this article says that locals call it Miloseva Kula. Likely because of the legend. Clearly the articles is not saying that the Roman fortress is claimed by Serbian media to be a Serb built fortress. Again another one of your claims is false. The article seems to focus on Obilic's connection to the region -- real or alledged.
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Post by c0gnate on Dec 1, 2007 9:28:56 GMT -5
The caption reads: Vista of the birthplace of the Serb hero, referring to Obilic, who never set foot there. In an article supposedly devoted to the charms of the Vlach region, half of the text is dedicated to an entirely imaginary connection to the region of the archetypal mythic Serb figures: Knez Lazar, Milos Obilic, Milos Obilic's fancifully created friend Zosim, and Obilic's mother. A tale is recounted how they hunted here, how Obilic was Lazar's son in law, how Obilic accidentally killed Zosim and in an act of atonement built the Tuman monastery. The article recounts the legend that the nearby village of Crnajka (roughly "The Black One") is so named because Obilic's mother there mourned Obilic's death at the battle of Kosovo. The name of the village of Topolnik is recounted to have been given by Lazar as he came upon a sleeping hero. The article says that the locals attribute Miloseva Kula to Obilic. All this is made up. There is no historic evidence whatsoever that Knez Lazar, or Obilic, or Obilic's mother or Zosim were ever here. Nor that Obilic was Lazar's son in law. Nor is anything known about Obilic's mother. Nor that Zosim existed. Needless to say the Tuman monastery was not built by Obilic. The author of the article, and the prominent mainstream newspaper Politika, felt it necessary to present these stories that attribute the local toponymy, including the Roman fort now called Miloseva Kula, to the archetypal figures of the Serb creation myth. Why did they do so for this Vlach region if not to let them know that: "This is Serbian land, you are here by our leave"? Intimidation, pure and simple. This article, published just a few months ago, is hardly unique. If you scroll through the online history of the local towns and villages, you'll find similar historically false claims about practically each and every one.
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Post by vlaici on Dec 1, 2007 9:56:40 GMT -5
Desi nu au scoli vorbesc destul de bine. It's simtomatic: the language of our co-nationals beyond frontiers is less altered the less they frequent local schools. They are talkink our vernacular tongue. Of course, they should go to Romanian schools and Romanian churches...
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Post by vlaici on Dec 1, 2007 10:36:06 GMT -5
They called themselves Vlachs since the 1800s when the first censuses in Serbia were held. The Serbian government categorized all Aroumanians (Cincars), Romanians and Vlachs as one group. The current situation where vlachs are not recognized as Romanians exists due to post-WWII Communist propaganda meant to lay claim to areas of Bulgaria and Romania (Tito had irredentist views on Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy and Austria). Of course you know that vlach is the name foreigners (germans, hungarians, slavs, greeks) gave to us. We may have used it as well when answering to your census questions to make it understandable in your language (at 1800 there was no Romania). Long live the friendship (in construction) between Serbia, Romania and the rest of the balkanic peoples!
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Post by radovic on Dec 1, 2007 19:00:55 GMT -5
The caption reads: Vista of the birthplace of the Serb hero, referring to Obilic, who never set foot there. In an article supposedly devoted to the charms of the Vlach region, half of the text is dedicated to an entirely imaginary connection to the region of the archetypal mythic Serb figures: Knez Lazar, Milos Obilic, Milos Obilic's fancifully created friend Zosim, and Obilic's mother. A tale is recounted how they hunted here, how Obilic was Lazar's son in law, how Obilic accidentally killed Zosim and in an act of atonement built the Tuman monastery. The article recounts the legend that the nearby village of Crnajka (roughly "The Black One") is so named because Obilic's mother there mourned Obilic's death at the battle of Kosovo. The name of the village of Topolnik is recounted to have been given by Lazar as he came upon a sleeping hero. The article says that the locals attribute Miloseva Kula to Obilic. All this is made up. There is no historic evidence whatsoever that Knez Lazar, or Obilic, or Obilic's mother or Zosim were ever here. Nor that Obilic was Lazar's son in law. Nor is anything known about Obilic's mother. Nor that Zosim existed. Needless to say the Tuman monastery was not built by Obilic. The author of the article, and the prominent mainstream newspaper Politika, felt it necessary to present these stories that attribute the local toponymy, including the Roman fort now called Miloseva Kula, to the archetypal figures of the Serb creation myth. Why did they do so for this Vlach region if not to let them know that: "This is Serbian land, you are here by our leave"? Intimidation, pure and simple. This article, published just a few months ago, is hardly unique. If you scroll through the online history of the local towns and villages, you'll find similar historically false claims about practically each and every one. The article it's self mentions the fort as Roman. Also, it is rather clear (to anyone except you) that the article focuses on Obilic's connections to the region -- real or alledged. Why do you think it says Ëåãåíäà (legend). Because it is alledged, i.e. factuality of the claims has not been confirmed.
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Post by c0gnate on Dec 1, 2007 19:19:39 GMT -5
To anyone, huh?
Or is it a case of "Speak Serbian so the whole world can understand"?
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Post by radovic on Dec 1, 2007 20:35:02 GMT -5
To anyone, huh? Or is it a case of "Speak Serbian so the whole world can understand"? Taking my statement out of context. You clearly have at least some basic knowledge of Serbia and cyrillic. Plus. The most importantant sections I translated, to demonstrate that you are telling halft-truths in regards to this article.
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Post by c0gnate on Dec 1, 2007 21:58:54 GMT -5
Ha, ha, ha. At least.
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