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Post by Ivanov on Oct 12, 2007 17:18:50 GMT -5
Bulgaria Blocks EU, Montenegro Progress Agreement over Euro Spelling12 October 2007, FridayBulgaria has refused to sign the Stabilisation and Association Agreement between Montenegro and the European Union because of the spelling of the single currency in the Bulgarian translation of the document. The announcement was made by Bulgaria's EU Affairs Minister Gergana Grancharova. The name of the currency in the agreement's body has been written "euro" instead of "evro", as it is transcribed in Cyrillic. The European Central Bank insists on writing "euro" as one and the same spelling of the word should be used in the translations in all EU official languages. Interestingly, the spelling of the single currency that figures in Bulgaria's EU accession agreement is "evro". The document ratified by all EU states before the country joined the bloc, says that the euro will be called "evro" in Bulgarian. EU Council legal experts called it a purely technical mistake, which Sofia has refused to "correct". It is now up to the Portuguese presidency to submit proposals, hoping to get to a solution. Other countries where the euro is pronounced differently, including Slovenia, which also uses "evro", have tried to obtain a different spelling of the common currency. They all failed - except for Greece. Bulgaria is in the middle of a battle for keeping the Cyrillic spelling of all the words in the European legal papers. The country is the first to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet as an official one in the block. www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=86324
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Post by Japodian on Oct 25, 2007 7:11:59 GMT -5
I really ask myself what would EU do if Russia entered it and started to write "Evro" in Cyrillic! Those western linguistic administration bullies! I am with Bulgaria, it should be "Evropa", "Evro", it may look small now, but it is the fight for language preservation.
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Post by radovic on Oct 25, 2007 12:53:52 GMT -5
I really ask myself what would EU do if Russia entered it and started to write "Evro" in Cyrillic! Those western linguistic administration bullies! I am with Bulgaria, it should be "Evropa", "Evro", it may look small now, but it is the fight for language preservation. russia will not join the EU. most Russians view Russia as being to great a state to enter the EU. Even if russia would join it would cause some serious problems for the EU.
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Post by radovic on Oct 25, 2007 12:54:42 GMT -5
I really ask myself what would EU do if Russia entered it and started to write "Evro" in Cyrillic! Those western linguistic administration bullies! I am with Bulgaria, it should be "Evropa", "Evro", it may look small now, but it is the fight for language preservation. Remember Montenegrin's are making up a made-up language. I'm pretty sure that they insitited it say Euro instead of Evro.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 25, 2007 13:13:45 GMT -5
They can only negotiate, but that's doesn't mean Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia (or Russia) will join. No chances at this point (except for Croatia probably).
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Post by Japodian on Oct 25, 2007 14:08:34 GMT -5
I really ask myself what would EU do if Russia entered it and started to write "Evro" in Cyrillic! Those western linguistic administration bullies! I am with Bulgaria, it should be "Evropa", "Evro", it may look small now, but it is the fight for language preservation. russia will not join the EU. most Russians view Russia as being to great a state to enter the EU. Even if russia would join it would cause some serious problems for the EU. If you did not notice the question was hypothetical. I was speaking what would EU do if some bigger and internationally stronger orthodox land should enter EU, doesn't need to be Russia, it could for example be Ukraine. Then I presume EU would have totally different stance to it. Russia actually doesn't need EU, while EU, well she needs Russia and her oil and gas reserves. I was just stating a hypothetical question. As for Montenegrin language, well better not to say anything. If they plan to make their language as boring as their parlamentary session then they are in big trouble.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 25, 2007 15:52:33 GMT -5
Montenegrins say "Euro" instead of "Evro" mostly anyways
and the cyrilic script in montenegro will stay/or become more non-important in montenegro as it is now or they will simply get rid of it.
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Post by ioan on Oct 26, 2007 6:42:33 GMT -5
They can only negotiate, but that's doesn't mean Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia (or Russia) will join. No chances at this point (except for Croatia probably). I agree. At present only Croatia could hope for an acession. Why? France changed its constitution (because of Turkey). According to this change, all new accessions should be voted by the French people via referendum (minus Croatia, it, together with Bulgaria and Romania was excluded from this rule). I think at present the chances for widening the union are very small (only Croatia).
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Post by radovic on Oct 26, 2007 9:58:11 GMT -5
Montenegrins say "Euro" instead of "Evro" mostly anyways and the cyrilic script in montenegro will stay/or become more non-important in montenegro as it is now or they will simply get rid of it. B.S. Montenegrins say Evro not Euro. So I guess you say Europa not Evropa. The fact that you want to get rid of cyrillic script shows you are anti-Montenegrin. In Montenegro they say Evro and Evropa. You Terroreign are claiming they see it with a u to claim "look the Montenegrin language is different." Please, do not make stuff up. I'm pretty sure Bulgarians are aware that you say it Evro and not Euro.
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Post by radovic on Oct 26, 2007 10:01:56 GMT -5
They can only negotiate, but that's doesn't mean Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia (or Russia) will join. No chances at this point (except for Croatia probably). No one will join. The EU has yet to come up with a new treaty to rpelace the Treaty of Nice which barred membership at 27. Until the EU has a new treaty no one can join. Given the planned timeline for the "Reform Treaty" any new membership will take place after January 1, 2009 and that is only if every EU state signs it in Lisbon on December 13, 2007 and if every state ratifies it by December 31, 2008. Ratification by all member states is not guaranteed. I doubt any country will join on that specific day. So if Croatia or anybody else is to beocme a member the earliest possible dates are the folloiwing: an accession treaty is likely to be signed some time in 2009, and accession will occur January 1, 2010.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 26, 2007 13:09:27 GMT -5
Montenegrins mostly say "Euro"
Watch the begining of this clip, it's the national final of the eurovision contest back when it was SCG
It has text in Montenegrin then in Serbian, notice the spelling
I was over there last summer and usually people pronounced it "euro"
and the cyrillic script is old and out of use, not to mention the ancient Docleans used Latin Script.
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Post by radovic on Oct 26, 2007 17:54:16 GMT -5
Montenegrins mostly say "Euro" Watch the begining of this clip, it's the national final of the eurovision contest back when it was SCG It has text in Montenegrin then in Serbian, notice the spelling I was over there last summer and usually people pronounced it "euro" and the cyrillic script is old and out of use, not to mention the ancient Docleans used Latin Script. Montenegrins do not say it Euro. Europjesma was put to try to distinguish it from Serbian when in reality that is not the case. Look at this Montenegrin government website: www.vlada.cg.yu/vijesti.php?akcija=vijesti&id=13734 -- notice Evropa not Europa. Search the vlada.cg.yu website. It says that the website is in Montenegrin (not a language). If you search Europa it will come with 24 pages and each time it refers to an orgnaization with the word Europa in it or to a website of the site europa.eu.int. Search Evropa and it comes up 499 times. Search euro it will come up with 163 pages most of them in English. Search evro it will comeup with 878 pages on the so-called "montenegrin language" pages. Furthermore. If your going to try to justify your absurd claims I suggest you use something other then a eurovision related competiition. eurovision brings out the worst and most horrid music from around Europe into an absurd competition where they are not judged on their talent.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 26, 2007 19:22:27 GMT -5
First off thats "Evropa" I never said montenegrins dont pronounce it like this But when shortened, its usually pronounced "Euro" Similar to how in Montenegrin, beautiful is "Lijep" but then the most most beautiful is "Najljepse" notice the change in the Lijep->Ljep Evropa->Euro and its not too accurate to google for euro and evro, both show up in the cg.yu sites in montenegrin Eurovision is one of the most popular contests/shows in europe not to mention israel, turkey, morroco, armenia, ect. I agree with you on Marija Serifovic
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Post by Japodian on Oct 27, 2007 11:02:15 GMT -5
Similar to how in Montenegrin, beautiful is "Lijep" but then the most most beautiful is "Najljepse" notice the change in the Lijep->Ljep Evropa->Euro That's not even close. What are you talking about would be to totally different things and having word pairing "Euro"-"Evropa" will never be linguistically justified even in the frame of Montenegrin standard. In comparative process in central south Slavic languages (Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro) it is almost obligatory to shorten the long "yat" (long "e" in Serbian, "ije" in Croatian) from the basic form to short "yat" (short "e" in Serbian, "je" in Croatian) in comparative and superlative. Same goes for Montenegrin standard. Correlation between "Euro" and "Evropa" can not be justified with it since there is no connection. If you say "Evropa" than you say "Evro", if you say "Europa" than you say "Euro". I do not say that they cannot put in their administration "Euro" besides "Evropa", I just say that it can not be linguistically justified as you put it!
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2007 11:17:35 GMT -5
Good on them..... we call it 'evro' also.....
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Oct 27, 2007 14:33:54 GMT -5
The difference between the two pronunciations stems from the difference in the way word euro is pronounced in original hellenophone regions (read eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire) and in former latinophone regions (western Roman Empire).
Eastern or Greek pronunciation of word Euro (Europe is a word which is of greek origin of course) is 'evro' and hence the reason why such a pronunciation is common across much of Balkans.
Western or Latin pronunciation of word Euro (Latins imported the word from Greeks just like they imported much of their overall civilization) is 'euro' and hence the reason why such a pronunciation is common across much of the rest of Europe which was a domain of Latinophone catholic church (even protestants separated from it only couple of centuries ago).
If any given region (Montenegro for example) is already pronouncing it in a correct manner which is Evro (given that this was a manner in which it was supposed to be pronounced unless a language limitation within a given culture prevents one from doing so) it is fully illogical to impose an incorrect and corrupt pronounciation from the original.
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Post by terroreign on Oct 27, 2007 18:50:48 GMT -5
Japodian - it doesnt matter if its not 'linguistically justified' its what's true
people might say "evropa" when speaking of europe, but than "jedan euro" when speaking of money
as you can see montenegrin eurovision was in 2005 'Europjesma' dont even ask now haha
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Post by radovic on Oct 27, 2007 20:07:26 GMT -5
Japodian - it doesnt matter if its not 'linguistically justified' its what's true people might say "evropa" when speaking of europe, but than "jedan euro" when speaking of money as you can see montenegrin eurovision was in 2005 'Europjesma' dont even ask now haha B.S. They say evro, and you will not convince any one on this forum otherwise.
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Post by Ivanov on Oct 28, 2007 13:34:49 GMT -5
Our government managed to preserve the BG "evro" spelling. They didn't want to do any harm to Montenegro, so they signed their treaty - in the BG version the euro was spelled in latin "EUR" but they warned that the new EU treaty will be not signed or ratified, and the problem was solved very fast. www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=86583
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Post by Edlund on Oct 28, 2007 13:49:15 GMT -5
Europe is a word which is of greek origin of course And what does it mean?
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