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Post by superman on Oct 19, 2007 23:19:25 GMT -5
I have to admit that since I know Bulgarians (2 years now!) I've seen that they tend to be very polite and reply with patience to many provocative posts of mine, I think this is a quality of you Bulgarians, all of you have spoke with me very polite in this 2 years even when I deliberate challanged you. Mnogo blagodarya!
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 0:03:25 GMT -5
Well thank you. I think in general we, the Bulgarians, are patient people (not very good quality by the way). But generally yeah we are polite, open to the new people (or foreigners), maybe because we want to hear and know about other places/people of the world.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 0:44:30 GMT -5
are you also interested about Romania?
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 1:33:24 GMT -5
are you also interested about Romania? Of course. As far as Romania goes, I m kind of surprised about the bulgarian-romanian relationships.You are like the only neigbour with who we didnt have any major disputes, yet after the independence its like we didnt pay attention to each other, like the other didnt existed. We also have had quite similar historic path lately, yet even this didnt make the bond closer. But things are starting to change, tnx to the common people. In the summer the northeast Black sea looks more like Romania haha (namely Kavarna and Balchik, though there are lots of other tourists of course, which is good for our economy of course!). And also it is strange, cause probably we are most closely related to the Romanians (if the Dacians were related to the Thracians south of Danube (Moesians, Peonians, Odrissians etc.) Plus its accepted u also mixed with Slavs and also with asiatics (if not the bulgars themselves). We were also part of one state for some time back in the day. Plus in the middle ages there was lots of influence in both directions. Now even entering the EU together couldnt make us more closer (politically). Strange, I say.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 7:35:05 GMT -5
Ioan, the latest trend of our mutual relations is towards positive. Let's face it, Romanians are now no. 1 of turists for Bulgaria. english.hotnews.ro/Romanians-first-among-Europeans-to-boost-Bulgarian-tourism-revenues-articol_45988.htmI think in the future Bulgaria will realize it depends very much on Romania. Romania having a much higher size and power can influence in better Bulgaria's economy. But the problems were in the recent past (1996-2007) that you just build an image on lies in the international media: you always said that Bulgaria is more advanced than Romania. This was a blatant lie, that now everyone can see it. In Romania now the brutto wages are around 700 EURO and in Bulgaria are much less. I don't want to repeat myself and say the correct one, since it hurts. Also, we had some problems with the bridge over Danube. Another problem we have with you is your corrupt policemen, they ask for bribes, and all the time you should give them 5-10 EUR. That's unacceptable and many Romanians will stop going to Bulgaria if they are keep doing like this. Ioan, have you been in Romania? and why you have chosen this name? Are you not Dankat?
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 8:55:47 GMT -5
I think in the future Bulgaria will realize it depends very much on Romania. Romania having a much higher size and power can influence in better Bulgaria's economy. Its a lesson Romania have also to learn. A countrey is never big enough for the global world, dont forget it. The proove: EU. Look around u ll never be big enough, thats why we are TOGETHER in EU. But the problems were in the recent past (1996-2007) that you just build an image on lies in the international media: you always said that Bulgaria is more advanced than Romania. This was a blatant lie, that now everyone can see it. We build an image? Thank u very much but dont u overestimate bg power on international media? Its not bulgarias fault that the poorest region in EU is Romanian (yet we also have enough poor regions in the top 10, so u dont have to get pissed). I d say Bulgaria and Romania are still poor coutries. And I hope that would change soon. In Romania now the brutto wages are around 700 EURO and in Bulgaria are much less. I don't want to repeat myself and say the correct one, since it hurts. Good for u. Is this the average wage or average in Bucharest? I know people in bg that make 3000 euro a month so what? Plus its more expensive in Romania so the standart of life is also equal. The problem is that both countries do not have social policy. Both countries have a good shot at being more rich (Romania with lots of fabrics and plants, Bulgaria with tourism. Also, we had some problems with the bridge over Danube. What problems? The construction started. Another problem we have with you is your corrupt policemen, they ask for bribes, and all the time you should give them 5-10 EUR. That's unacceptable and many Romanians will stop going to Bulgaria if they are keep doing like this. Thats horrible, those people deseve punishment. But Bulgarians arent like them, generally. Ioan, have you been in Romania? and why you have chosen this name? Are you not Dankat? I havent. Yet. My name comes from our greatest king (in my oppinion), Ioan Assen II, who managed to widen Bulgaria almost without any war and was significant figure and great dimpomat in Medieval Europe. i m not dankat
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 9:49:31 GMT -5
the average wage is for entire Romania, the wages are at least double as in BG or even more..not only in Bucharest but in all large cities the average wage is toward 850-900 EUR, of course a bank account or something earns more than 2000 EUR.
For example, a 1 room apartment is now more than 45,000 EURO in average. But in Bucharest or in other expensive cities, costs even more in average about 65-75.000 EURO.
Yes, Romania is an industrial country, and Auto industry has developed very strong, we export autos/components in value of 3 bn euro.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 9:51:08 GMT -5
Ioan Asan was a Romanian, a vlach it was the vlach-bulgarian empire
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 10:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 11:31:06 GMT -5
the average wage is for entire Romania, the wages are at least double as in BG or even more..not only in Bucharest but in all large cities the average wage is toward 850-900 EUR, of course a bank account or something earns more than 2000 EUR. For example, a 1 room apartment is now more than 45,000 EURO in average. But in Bucharest or in other expensive cities, costs even more in average about 65-75.000 EURO. Yes, Romania is an industrial country, and Auto industry has developed very strong, we export autos/components in value of 3 bn euro. Good for u. Still Bulgaria AND Romania have a long road to travel before stop being the poorest countries in eu.
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 11:36:05 GMT -5
Ioan Asan was a Romanian, a vlach it was the vlach-bulgarian empire No he wasnt. There is lots of hypotezis about what Peter, Assen really were, but one thing is for sure: he had Bulgarian conciousness through his reign.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 12:52:45 GMT -5
he was Romanian, of Vlach origin (Romanian or Aromanian), a view supported by many Romanian historians, who say that there's no reason to question the ethnicity, mentioned in some chronicles.
Another option would be that they were of Cuman origin, as some of the names in the dynasty, including Asen and Belgun (nickname of Ivan Asen I) are derived from Cuman language.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 12:57:22 GMT -5
well, you think Romania is the same as Bulgaria? you do the same mistake as others...don't compare please Romania with Bulgaria. For example, you say now Ro and Bg are the poorest countries in EU...well, Romania will surpass Hungary's GDP per capita and standard of living by the end of this decade, our wages are only 15%-20% under those from Czech Republic. www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?cCheck=1&k=4&i=13195Again and again, don't compare apples with peanuts. Economic situation in Romania is far much better than you would think. You lag behind with about 7 years in terms of wages and economic prosperity.
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 13:06:08 GMT -5
We grow with more than 8% annually, our wages double every 3 years, we attract a lot of industrial plants, we build cars, mobile phones (NOKIA), we have atomic plants.
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 13:17:39 GMT -5
well, you think Romania is the same as Bulgaria? you do the same mistake as others...don't compare please Romania with Bulgaria. For example, you say now Ro and Bg are the poorest countries in EU...well, Romania will surpass Hungary's GDP per capita and standard of living by the end of this decade, our wages are only 15%-20% under those from Czech Republic. www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?cCheck=1&k=4&i=13195Again and again, don't compare apples with peanuts. Economic situation in Romania is far much better than you would think. You lag behind with about 7 years in terms of wages and economic prosperity. I dont compare them. The whole world does. Why do the EU have an interest to lie u are the poorest member along with us? What does it posibly gain? Czech Republic? Well good luck. I hope u re prosperious country, but at present u are not (according to all data and the romanian migration to west europe/usa). Maybe in 10 years.
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 13:19:33 GMT -5
We grow with more than 8% annually, our wages double every 3 years, we attract a lot of industrial plants, we build cars, mobile phones (NOKIA), we have atomic plants. we all know. thats great for u. however big reason for building plants is also the cheap (comparetevly) labour.
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 13:24:58 GMT -5
he was Romanian, of Vlach origin (Romanian or Aromanian), a view supported by many Romanian historians, who say that there's no reason to question the ethnicity, mentioned in some chronicles. Another option would be that they were of Cuman origin, as some of the names in the dynasty, including Asen and Belgun (nickname of Ivan Asen I) are derived from Cuman language. Romanian? U didnt have a state at this point so there were no Romanians in the national sense we put today. However there were Bulgarians, the Assan bros (who may have had Vlach or Cuman origin), were sitting on the Bulgarian throne and were heralded as heirs of Samoil and Peter I (the son of Simeon). They had Bulgarian consciousness. Its a fact. Ioan Assen, more than them, if thats possible .
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Post by superman on Oct 20, 2007 13:37:24 GMT -5
we already have the best trend, our inflation is less than BG or Hungary and so on..yes, there was a migration, like in Spain or Italy after WWII, but now many people are coming back and what is even more interesting many foreign people are coming to make a business here. Romania is something like Carpat Tiger Ioan, they don't come for cheap labour...for instance Bulgaria is much cheaper but they still prefer Romania...why? the answer is simple, is the huge market, which is the 2nd as size after Poland. After that is important the Purchasing Power, we consume and we buy a lot. Our Romanian tourists spend a lot even in Bulgaria. You keep saying that Asan had a bulgarian consciousness. I don't know but your way of speaking is the way a Romanian would express...I'm still not convinced you're not Dankat. Do you speak Romanian?
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Post by ioan on Oct 20, 2007 13:58:06 GMT -5
No I dont speak Romanian. Ne ne govorya rumunski. Ich spreche Rumanien nicht, haha. And who the f..ck is this Dankat, that u cant get over? Sorry, but I m not him.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 20, 2007 17:10:54 GMT -5
No I dont speak Romanian. Ne ne govorya rumunski. Ich spreche Rumanien nicht, haha. And who the f..ck is this Dankat, that u cant get over? Sorry, but I m not him. Dankat is a romanian guy of Bulgarian origin. And superman is actually a guy whose previous name in Illyria forum was Bonaparte Der Kaiser (we call him Boni and he thinks Romania is a huge power nowadays)..
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