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Putin
Oct 10, 2007 12:33:35 GMT -5
Post by diurpaneus on Oct 10, 2007 12:33:35 GMT -5
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Putin
Oct 10, 2007 14:24:58 GMT -5
Post by depletedreasons on Oct 10, 2007 14:24:58 GMT -5
He tries to reduce the Turco-Tatar history into some episode of the Russian.
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Putin
Oct 10, 2007 14:47:48 GMT -5
Post by diurpaneus on Oct 10, 2007 14:47:48 GMT -5
Well, ottomans rarely gave a shyte about other turkic peoples. That`s why the ottoman empire slaughtered them when they refused to follow the portes plans. Take these battles for example: 1551 On behalf of the Ottoman Empire Sahib Giray's Campaign against Circassians 1584 Awdil Giray taken prisoner, died on Ottoman Campaign against Persia 1584 Ottoman Expedition against Muhammad II Giray, who refused to join in a Campaign against Persia 1586-1587 Expedition to Moldavia against raiding Nogaians 1625-1627 Crimean Tatars raided (Ottoman) Jedisan, Bessarabia; Ottoman-Polish War 1636 Crimean Tatars fought Ottoman garrison at Kaffa source
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Putin
Oct 10, 2007 16:44:43 GMT -5
Post by depletedreasons on Oct 10, 2007 16:44:43 GMT -5
Tatar dynasties were sometimes deemed as the threat to the Ottoman dynasty by the Ottomans themselves. Giray was in fact the substitute dynasty of the Turkish Empire.
However, even the members of the Ottoman family had bloody wars for being the khan or sultan of the empire from time to time.
Ottomans tried to protect all Muslims, but they were not even friendly to the Turkic rulers of Persia since those were also some threat too.
Thus, they did not insist to liberate the Kazan and Astrakhan Khanates (from Russian occupation) even though they did had the military power in the 16th, 17th and (early) 18th Century Century.
That was all due to the imperial reflex of the Ottomans, I believe.
So, you are right about your assessment on the Ottomans.
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Putin
Oct 11, 2007 4:42:28 GMT -5
Post by diurpaneus on Oct 11, 2007 4:42:28 GMT -5
So, you are right about your assessment on the Ottomans. I was hoping for some debate and controversy... ..to spice things up on this new forum.
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Putin
Oct 22, 2007 10:16:33 GMT -5
Post by superman on Oct 22, 2007 10:16:33 GMT -5
good job
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Putin
Oct 23, 2007 8:49:12 GMT -5
Post by gator on Oct 23, 2007 8:49:12 GMT -5
He sounds as if he has got a sore throat
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