Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 26, 2007 5:40:40 GMT -5
Serbia yesterday backed Turkey’s crackdown on separatist Kurdish rebels and warned that the independence of its own ethnic Albanian province of Kosovo would be a “dangerous precedent” for others. “Serbia supports Turkey’s policies to restore stability along its southern border,” Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic told a gathering in Ankara of 12 Black Sea region countries. Jeremic warned that independence for Kosovo would destabilize the region and set “a dangerous precedent” for other countries with separatist communities. “Recognizing the independence of Kosovo will mean recognizing the legitimacy of forcibly partitioning Serbia. But not only that: It means recognizing the legitimacy of one day partitioning any country against its will,” he said. (AFP) __________________________________________________ www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/world_78738KathiLev&xml/&aspKath/world.asp?fdate=26/10/2007
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 26, 2007 6:30:11 GMT -5
Canaris, Let the Turks taste their own medicine first Its about time anyway...
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Post by suart on Oct 26, 2007 7:44:36 GMT -5
When it comes to the internal situations, Turkey knows how to use any ''medicine'' As for the foreign policy of Serbia toward the kurdish terrorists.... It seems sincere and clear, no partition or rebellion in any Country what so ever!
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Post by chalkedon on Oct 26, 2007 8:03:33 GMT -5
they have been at it for 30yrs...they have made cross border raids many times and they still fail to contain the kurds. They will continue to fail because it is a battle that cannot be won. As Mr. Gul says so nicely many times about Cyprus..." Its time to face realities " Well Mr. Gul...its time to face yours now Kurdistan will be established, they already lost the battle and dont even know it...
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Mimi
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Post by Mimi on Oct 26, 2007 9:42:13 GMT -5
OH damn Serbia, I know what they are trying to do. they are trying to give some kind of fake "support" to Turky just so Turkey would change their mind about kosovo, like telling them we are sitting in the same "boat" and need to support each other but in reality kosovo its an unique case chetnicks GO TURKEY!
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Post by radovic on Oct 26, 2007 12:33:38 GMT -5
OH d**n Serbia, I know what they are trying to do. they are trying to give some kind of fake "support" to Turky just so Turkey would change their mind about kosovo, like telling them we are sitting in the same "boat" and need to support each other but in reality kosovo its an unique case chetnicks GO TURKEY! How is Kosovo, a ubnique case. Seriosuly, I'd like you to give one single proof of this. Kosovo is not a unique case. Not only that, the fact that most speratists are looking at Kosovo as a precedent shows it is a unique case.
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donnie
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Post by donnie on Oct 26, 2007 21:54:31 GMT -5
LOL, which one is it?
It depends on how you view uniqueness. Such a concept can be subjective and is consequently hard to proove. But there's no doubt that alot of the examples Serbs give when it comes to "danger zones" potentially affected by the outcome of Kosova's status, aren't comparable to Kosova in most respects, be they historical, demographical, political etc. I will give examples. Many Serbs say an independent Kosova might start trouble in Northern Ireland. Firstly, there already is trouble in Northern Ireland. You cannot ignite a fire that is already set. Furthermore, only the Catholic segment of Northern Ireland's population wish for a secession from the UK and a subsequent union with the Republic of Ireland. Infact, London has already clarified that a referendum for Northern Ireland's political status and future will be allowed, and the outcome accepted (i.e. the Britons are ready to accept a union of the whole irish island). The problem, however, is that the Catholics are 'only' 44 per cent of N.Ireland's population, while a majority is Protestant which is loyal(ist) to the UK. How is this comparable to Kosova with its over 90 per cent Albanian population which is united in our common quest for independence?
That's just one example. There are others too Serbs like to incorrectly use to gain a pile of hollow arguments to throw at the International Community's face. The Basque issue is another. What some of these Serbs seem to conveniently miss is that only a minority of Basques actually support a secession of País Vasco from Spain, and an even smaller minority supports the path for this secession which ETA has undertaken.
I am confident that the paralell drawn to Kurdistan is just another one of these bogus 'potential' precedent examples Serbs are using. Why? I've met countless of Kurds, be they from Turkey, Iraq, Iran or Syria. Those from Turkey were mostly Turkicized culturally and linguistically. They did not seem interested in a liberation movement and the creation of a Kurdish state. Only a handful of them were Kurdish nationalists, and they were mostly restricted to Diyarbakir, a city/municipality located in SE Turkey, known to be a recruiting area for PKK. If this trully is the case, then again we're right.
This doesn't mean that there aren't situations and conflicts similiar to Kosova out there. And if there is a similiar paralell out there to Kosova which you might draw, be my guest. I'd be happy to support such a liberational movement.
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Japodian
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Post by Japodian on Oct 27, 2007 11:26:48 GMT -5
There is no relation between Southeastern Turkey/Kurdistan and Kosovo/Kosova problem except one. The only correlation is in how the problems are solved - STUPID!
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Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Oct 27, 2007 11:53:54 GMT -5
Southeastern Turkey/Kurdistan IS INCORRECT. IT IS JUST SOUTH EAST TURKEY. Thnx
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Post by donnie on Oct 27, 2007 13:12:58 GMT -5
There is no relation between Southeastern Turkey/Kurdistan and Kosovo/Kosova problem except one. The only correlation is in how the problems are solved - STUPID! How can two separate and different conflicts have a common solution, brainfart? Such moronic reasoning, i.e. always apply the same solution to a conflict which continuously re-emerges, is what's gotten Kosova into the mess it currently finds itself. It's what fvcked Yugoslavia. While the KLA and the secessionist movement in Kosova enjoyed wide support in the populace, I am not so confident a majority of Kurds support PKK; this both because of the fact that the movement is marxist and thus, perhaps, not fundamentally religious enough, AND because a great deal of Kurds seem happy with being citizens of Turkey. A close friend of mine is an ethnic Kurd from Konya. He speaks only Turkish, and while he does acknowledge his ethnic roots, he has never expressed any support for the PKK ... and he has never been arguing for an independent Kurdish state.
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Japodian
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Post by Japodian on Oct 27, 2007 22:57:43 GMT -5
O you need to say something, to attack somebody, without thinking what is the meaning of the words he said. What that man really wanted to say. It is to hard to see what lies behind simple sentences. If you are unable to dissolve that I by using word "STUPID" wasn't applying on you, but on the way of solving the problem, then I can not help you. If you do not understand I used mark for sending an message about what I talked about, not about you. You know not all world revolves around you. Nowhere is mentioned something about common solution, but about the way it is solved.
My point was that both Serbian and Turkish governments in history did serious mistakes by directly applying military attack on the groups fighting for their rights. Be it small or big, it doesn't matter. You did not understand what I am talking about, what I can forgive you, but calling me a brainfart and moron I can't without your apology. It also was a stupid action and you earned disrespect among people who might be your friend, same as Turkey and Serbia did by not listening what is really happening.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Oct 28, 2007 7:08:47 GMT -5
The PKK are oppressors to the Kurdish people. The Kurds are forced to give up there children to fbe trained and fight against Turkey. They are forced to give food and shelter to the terrorists, these people are poor as it it. They can't afford to be doing this help and most were happy until the PKK started there campaign. They became caught in the cross fire, losing homes and families. Since the 1980's the PKK has achieved NOTHING except bloodshed. Now the DTP it seems is under pressure by the PKK to be a voicein parliament, obstructing the course of democrasy, this is goingto lead to the DTP being closed down. This is the main reason AKP recieved the majority of votes in the SE in the last elections, the Kurdish people do not want to be run by a gang of Terrorist marxists.
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Post by Japodian on Oct 29, 2007 6:11:28 GMT -5
I think Kurds had enough from both PKK and Turkish government, because always when something happens on relation Turkey - PKK it is always their backs who suffer. As for other things you wrote, I will take it in consideration, which doesn't mean I will believe you instantly. I am familiar with what state and organization propaganda means. Both Turkey and PKK have a long history of it.
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Post by yahadj on Oct 29, 2007 11:41:34 GMT -5
PKK is a terrorist organization supported by foreign imperialist powers. The Turkish politicians since 1948 were sold puppets of the same masters. They worked together with PKK to keep the area underdeveloped and ignorant and misguided. Now the time for the final step has come. I am not sure if that includes division of Turkey or only creation of independant Kurdistan limited to Northern Iraq. During this process PKK will be dismantled, spared since its mission will be completed. AKP will claim victory and get out stronger out of this mess. In return Turkey would help the newly formed Kurdistan in Northern Iraq. Kurdistan will be the new military base of US and closest ally of Israel. Then Turkey will emerge as a strong regional player. With the help of our alllies our economy will get stronger. The political application of Soft Islam democracy will be presented as a successful model for all Muslim countries. D8 will attract more attention. All Muslim countries will be made memebers to D8. The governmets of the memeber countries will be redesigned to fit the Soft Islam democracy model. Thus our masters will bring peace to the world by ruling over East and West- basicly the whole world. The shadow one world government may then reval their identity and proclaim their victory! Who knows may be the MESSIAH will come then, too. So the prophesy is fulfilled. What a plan! Fascinating!!! Actually, I like it...
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 29, 2007 14:52:06 GMT -5
Of course you do...Turkey is in win-win situation..... but the whole process is on thin ice..it could evaporate in your faces too...so extreme caution is necessary.
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Post by yahadj on Oct 31, 2007 6:41:50 GMT -5
But what if we don't want to be a puppet soft islamic country. Who cares about puppet leadership... No way out?
Is the alternative "hard" Islamic country...
Or independant nationalistic country- independant Kemalist country...
Or simply secular democratic country...
Why we should misguide other Muslim countries and submit them to the masters of MONEY- Builderbergs. Are they worthy of that submission... Do their deeds promise good future?
I am not sure about the answers...
Time will show...
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