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Post by Arxileas on Oct 8, 2007 3:37:19 GMT -5
Modern sources on Pelasgians. A History of Greece: From the Earliest Times to the Roman Conquest, with Supplementary Chapters .. by Sir William Smith - 1855 p.12-13
The Gentile Nations: Or, the History and Religion of the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians ... By George Smith p.317History of Classical Literature By Robert William Browne p. 40The Beginnings of Rome: Italy and Rome from the Bronze Age to the Punic Wars (c. 1000-264 BC) By Tim J. Cornell p.38The Religions Before Christ: Being an Introduction to the History of the First Three Centuries ... By Edmond de Pressensι p. 66Landmarks of the history of Greece By James White p.21
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 14, 2007 4:43:07 GMT -5
Some Ancient sources on Pelasgians.
Herodotus 1.58
Τὸ δὲ Ἑλληνικὸν γλώσσῃ μέν, ἐπείτε ἐγένετο, αἰεί κοτε τῇ αὐτῇ διαχρᾶται, ὡς ἐμοὶ καταφαίνεται εἶναι. Ἀποσχισθὲν μέντοι ἀπὸ τοῦ Πελασγικοῦ
translation:
"But the Hellenic stock, it seems clear to me, has always had the same language since its beginning; yet being, when separated from the Pelasgians"
Dionysus of Halikarnassos "Roman Antiquities" 1.17.2.1
καὶ τὸ τῶν Πελασγῶν γένος Ἑλληνικὸν ἐκ Πελοποννήσου
translation:
for the Pelasgians too, were a Hellenic race originally from the Peloponnesus.
Euripides ION 589
εἶναί φασι τὰς αὐτόχθονας κλεινὰς Ἀθήνας οὐκ ἐπείσακτον γένος,
translation:
It is said that the famous Athenians are autochthonous of the land, not a foreign race,
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Post by greek1234 on Oct 14, 2007 5:54:23 GMT -5
So in conclusion the Pelasgians were a Greek race that influenced what we now call the Hellenic language.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 16, 2007 8:32:07 GMT -5
Without a doubt
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Post by Niklianos on Mar 9, 2008 18:19:41 GMT -5
From Herodotus The Histories by Penguin Classics on the Pelasgians.
Book VIII, pg. 463
"When what is now called Greece was occupied by the Pelasgians, the Athenians, a Pelasgian people, were called Cranai. In the reign of Cecrops they acquired the name of Cecropidae. At the succession of Erectheus they changed their name to Athenians; and when Ion, the son of Xuthos, became general of their armies, they took from him the title of Ionians."
Book I, pgs. 21-22
" This reply gave Croesus more pleasure than anything he had yet heard; for he did not suppose that a mule was likely to become king of the Medes, and that meant that he and his line would remain in power for ever. He then turned his attention to finding out which of the Greek states was the most powerful, with a view to forming and alliance. His inquiries revealed that the Lacedaemonians were the most eminent of the Dorian peoples and the Athenians of the Ionian. These two, one originally Pelasgian the other Hellenic, were the most powerful of the Greek peoples. The Ionians are an indigenous race, but the Dorians on the contrary have been constantly on the move; their home in Deucalions reign was Pthiotis and in the regin of Dorus son of Hellen the country known as Histiaeotis in the neighborhood of Ossa and Olympus; driven from their by the Cadmeians they settled in Pindus and were known as Macednons; thence they migrated to Cryopis, and finally to the Peleponnese, where they got their present name of Dorians. Of the Pelasgian language I cannot speak with certainty, but that it was not Greek may be inferred from the language of those of Pelasgian race now living in Creston above the Tyrrhenians, who were neighbors of the people now known as Dorians when their home was in the country which we call Thessaliotis; also from the language of the Pelasgian peoples who settled at Placia and Scylace on the Hellespont and were fellow countrymen of the Athenians, and of the other Pelasgian towns which have since change their names. Granted, then, that these are a fair sample of the Pelasgian race, one may conclude that the Athenians, being themselves Pelasgian, changed their language when they were absorbed in the Greek family of nations. In Creston and Placia the same language is spoken, but it is not the language of the surrounding country: which indicates that these people did not change their language when they changed their home. I believe myself that the Greek peoples have always spoken the same language, but they were weak after their seperation from the Pelasgians of whom they were a branch, and have since grown from small beginnings to their present numbers by the addition of the various foreign elements, amongst which were the Pelasgians themselves. I do not think that the Pelasgians, a non-Greek people, ever became very numerous or powerful."
Book I, pg. 61
"The reason for the separation of Miletus from the other Ionians towns was simply the general weakness of the Hellenic peoples at that date, and particularly of the Ionians, who of all the Greek races had least power and influence. There was no Ionian settlement of any consequence except Athens. ..."
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Book I, Pg. 61
"...and that is the reason, as I have said, why the Ionians founded twelve settlements in Asia, it is quite absurd to pretend that they are any more Ionian, or of purer blood than the Ionians generally; for a large section of them were actually Abantians from Euboea, who are not Ionians at all, even in name, to say nothing of the admixture of Minyae from Orchomenus and of Cadmeians, Dryopes, Phocians from various towns in Phocis, Molossians, Arcadian Pelasgi, Dorians from Epidauros, and many others...."
Book Two, pgs.106-107
"In ancient times, as I know from what I was told at Dodona, the Pelasgians offered sacrifices of all kinds, and prayed to the gods, but without any distinction of name or title - for they had not yet heard of any such thing. They called the gods by the Greek word theoi - 'disposers' - because they had 'disposed' and arranged everything in due order, and assigned each thing to its proper division. Long afterwards the names of the gods were brought into Greece from Egypt and the Pelasgians learnt them - with the exception of Dionysus, about whom they knew nothing till much later; then, as time went on, they sent to the oracle at Dodona (the most ancient and, at that period, the only oracle in Greece) to ask advice about the propriety of adopting names which had come into the country from abroad. The oracle replied that they would be right to use them. From that time onward, therefore, the Pelasgians used the names of the gods in their sacrifices, and from the Pelasgians the names passed to Greece. But it was only - if I may so put it - the day before yesterday that the Greeks came to know the origin and form of the various gods and whether or not all of them had always existed; for Homer and Hesiod are the poets who composed theogenies and described the gods for the Greeks, giving them all their appropriate titles, offices and powers, and they lived, as I believ, not more than four hundred years ago. The poets who are said to have preceded them were, I think, in point of fact later. This is my personal opinion, but for the former part of my statement on these matters I have the authority of the priestesses of Dodona."
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 23, 2008 22:04:00 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 25, 2008 21:04:28 GMT -5
Definitely, now I am convinced we were all Greeks...
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Post by Aris on Jun 19, 2009 12:02:40 GMT -5
Hellenic : Πελασγοί(Pelasgoí) , Albanian : Pellazgë . Pela + zë + gji = From the breast of the mare ! ----------------------------------------------------------- In ancient times the horse was the best unit of war . The personification of a person with this animal was a symbol of great warlike abilities . Homer mention the "Horsemens" in Iliad not as Acheans(Proto-Hellenes) , also he mention them as different from them . But the most important thing is that they were described as "Great Warriors" ! ------------------------------------------------------------ Before you use your CR@P reference of a romantic British 'NOT HISTORIAN' Philhellene, think how much did you gone humiliate yourselves !
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Post by rex362 on Jun 19, 2009 12:21:17 GMT -5
The Pelasgians.
yes...did somebody call me ....?
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Post by Aris on Jun 19, 2009 12:43:29 GMT -5
The Pelasgians. yes...did somebody call me ....? Yes "Horseman" you could say something about our origins !
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