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Post by radovic on Apr 17, 2008 10:03:18 GMT -5
^^ U serbs would have had an easier time convincing the world of your 'claims' had u picked a figure and sticked to it. But no, each greedy generation of nationalists kept putting that figure higher and higher to the point where most people simply do not believe you anymore. The world is convinced of the number of around 350,000 as a minimum. Go to the Holocaust memorial museum in Washington D.C. and read it. The same could apply to Croat claims about Bleiburg. Your nationalists claim 300,000 deaths and that is an exagerration.
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Post by captainalbania on Apr 20, 2008 4:15:28 GMT -5
FREEDOM OF SPEECH. DEAL WITH IT.
Let him celebrate whatever he likes. Australia is a free country.
Only those who have something to hide must stifle freedom of speech.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 20, 2008 13:42:37 GMT -5
Ej Fender, yes those things I'm sure occured at the Dom, however as I said, ustase should be far removed from it's connections and so called origins in WWII, you out of all people know what I'm talking about.
Monetenegrodeki, perhaps if we wern't forcefully removed and "resettled" into other part of Bosna and Croatia after WWII, perhaps we would have left these countries with a different mindset. Only the next generation can forget, but I will make sure they know exactly why we are here.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 21, 2008 0:53:18 GMT -5
2 puta smo pobjedili, 2 puta smo sjebali mater cetnicima. Jednom odi do psihijatra.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 21, 2008 1:01:21 GMT -5
Your grossly mistaken. The figure of 80 thousand is now generally accepted as the minimum. Most historians, jouralists, researches etc all quote the 80K figure as the most reliable and usually state that any other is the result of over-inflation by nationalists.
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Post by Zvone on Apr 21, 2008 17:14:28 GMT -5
Bleiburg casualty numbers are between 45,000 and 80,000. The latter came from a British journalist, Misha Glenny.
In 1985, the Serbian scholar Bogoljub Kocovic published a major scholarly research work which put the figure for total demographic losses in all of Yugoslavia at 1,985,000 of which 971,000 were war-related. Of these 487,000 were Serbs killed anywhere in Yugoslavia by any side including Germans, Italians, Croatians, Albanians, Hungarians, Soviets, American bombing or by other Serbs. Kocovic concluded that some 125,000 Serbs and 124,000 Croatians died in Croatia during World War II. In 1989 The Yugoslav Victimological Society and the Zagreb Jewish Community published what is now considered the definitive work by Vladimir Zerjavic which set total war losses at 1,027,000 of which 530,000 were Serbs and 192,000 Croatians. 131,000 Serbs and 106,000 Croatians were listed as having died of all war-related causes in Croatia.
A quote from Bogoljub Kocovic:
"Very soon it dawned upon me that the major obstacle to my work would be the myths created over four decades about the number of victims, myths by now deeply implanted in the soul of the people of all religions, political beliefs and nationality; myths which, by repetition became a 'reality'. There will be many who will reject my study because it does not conform to their beliefs...Many of them are looking for spiritual food to ignite their hatred of the Croats."
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Post by Fender on Apr 24, 2008 1:12:32 GMT -5
Ej Fender, yes those things I'm sure occured at the Dom, however as I said, ustase should be far removed from it's connections and so called origins in WWII, you out of all people know what I'm talking about. Monetenegrodeki, perhaps if we wern't forcefully removed and "resettled" into other part of Bosna and Croatia after WWII, perhaps we would have left these countries with a different mindset. Only the next generation can forget, but I will make sure they know exactly why we are here. The Ustasa should be far removed but sadly it isn't. That place is still as croocked as the day it opened.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 24, 2008 1:16:10 GMT -5
^^ No one is forcing you to go there. So if u dont like it ... stay away!
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Post by Fender on Apr 24, 2008 1:25:09 GMT -5
FREEDOM OF SPEECH. DEAL WITH IT. Let him celebrate whatever he likes. Australia is a free country. Only those who have something to hide must stifle freedom of speech. With freedom of speech comes responsibility. Celebrating people's deaths is wrong in every way.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 24, 2008 1:44:46 GMT -5
The people are celebrating the liberation of the Croatian people and territory ... and not 'death' as u put it. Thats just slander.
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Post by Fender on Apr 25, 2008 2:49:08 GMT -5
^^ No one is forcing you to go there. So if u dont like it ... stay away! Did I ever say that I visited the place you dumba$$. The Ustasa have been proven to be murderous and genocidial in every aspect. If you support Pavelic, that makes you no better than them.
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Post by Fender on Apr 25, 2008 3:00:04 GMT -5
The people are celebrating the liberation of the Croatian people and territory ... and not 'death' as u put it. Thats just slander. Let me tell you what slander is knumbskull, its when you are trying to convince others that have limited knowledge about the Ustasa, that all they were was just a bunch of freedom fighters. Nothing could be further form the truth. Under a third of the Croat population supported them. Macek, who was the true popular leader of his time, wanted nothing to do with Hitler and yet, Pavelic couldn't wait to jump into bed with the Nazis. Once he achieved that, went on a murderous rampage throughout Croatia and gave away Croatian lands to Italy because he was incapable of "defending" the whole territory as it seems. He is a traitor of the worst kind and you adore him. This goes beyond pity. There should be a law in Australia banning such organisations from demonstrating such obvious Nazi dendancies. They do nothing but sully the name of all Croatians. If you enjoy being known as a fascist, then thats your business and loss but don't try and make it sound like its a right to force such idiotic rhetoric on to others. This Dom is a perversion and should be shut down so normal Croats can go on to be normal and not forced into this Ustasa "feeling".
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 25, 2008 3:41:03 GMT -5
The only thing that should be shut down is you.
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Post by Fender on Apr 25, 2008 3:44:53 GMT -5
The only thing that should be shut down is you. Music to my ears.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 25, 2008 3:45:53 GMT -5
sell out
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Post by Fender on Apr 25, 2008 3:49:43 GMT -5
After all that I have written, this is the best you can come up with. Pathetic. Pavelic sold out the Croatian people by siding with the Nazis, there's no escaping that. He gave away parts of Croatia to Italy, there's no escaping that. He slaughtered thousands of innocent people, including Croatians, there's no escaping that. It would stand to reason that Pavelic and all of his supportsers were the biggest sellouts of all time. Surely on the evidence presented you have no choice but to agree.
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Post by Fender on Apr 25, 2008 4:41:30 GMT -5
As a side note, anything that I can do to discredit the Dom, I will do vigorously.
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Post by CiKoLa on Apr 25, 2008 5:41:50 GMT -5
^^ Your feable attempts to discredit the Dom are laughable to say the least, and in the long run wont acheive much. The Dom has stood there for decades and will continue to stand there for many more to come. The majority rules as they say, and you my friend(figure of speech) are in the very small minority. The small minority that lerk in the shadows and are isolated within the community. Enjoy your sheltered life.
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Post by Fender on Apr 25, 2008 10:04:45 GMT -5
^^ Your feable attempts to discredit the Dom are laughable to say the least, and in the long run wont acheive much. The Dom has stood there for decades and will continue to stand there for many more to come. The majority rules as they say, and you my friend(figure of speech) are in the very small minority. The small minority that lerk in the shadows and are isolated within the community. Enjoy your sheltered life. I haven't begun yet douche bag. Just wait till I bring out the big guns and really expose what the Dom and the people of your ilk are about. Just wait until the "MAJORITY" hear how Pavelic betrayed the Croats by joining the Nazis and how the "Dom" is a sespool of fascism gone mad. Wait until the"MAJORITY" find out how Pavelic killed innocent people, including his own to stay in power that he mever truly earned. Wait until the "MAJORITY" find out how Pavelic gave away Croatian lands to the Italians. The Dom will be the laughing stock of the community. As for your so called majority, what exactly are you basing that on, the Croatian population in Melbourne only, if so, then your clutching at straws. I will live to see the day that disgusting organisation in Yarraville is shut down once and for all because its going to be me wwho will shut them down, once and for all. Your silly rhetoric only slightly amuses me, the rest is a big yawn. Have heard it all before. So tell me, are the people who run the Dom, still walk around and peer over the guests shoulders so they can find out who they are? Paranoia at its worst. My catch cry will be this "The Dom, the place to be seen to be sullied." You and your disgusting and pathetic ilk are going down. Enjoy while you still can.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 25, 2008 10:43:13 GMT -5
^^This sounds like a plot from the movie "Walking Tall" lol you go fenderica
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