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Post by stambolov2025 on Jul 9, 2008 17:58:14 GMT -5
The best way to deal with all the territorial grievances in the Balkans is to compromise and finally settle on acceptable borders and to have population exchanges so that everyone is with their brothers and sisters and no one can bitch and complain that they got robbed. As to what borders changes would be appropriate should depend on history 1000AD and up no ancient history crap, because then you get into who was there first arguments.
The Balkan nations really need to stop fighting and bickering and begin to cooperate economically in order to stop the rampant political corruption and organized crime that festering within the Balkan borders.
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Post by srbobran on Jul 9, 2008 19:02:48 GMT -5
Why specifically 1000AD?
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jul 10, 2008 18:56:23 GMT -5
Because its before the entrance of the Ottomans in Europe and therefore the best depiction of the natural ethnic borders because it was before the great mixing of ethnicities caused by the Ottoman Occupation of the Balkans.
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Post by srbobran on Jul 10, 2008 22:12:21 GMT -5
No, I think you want 1000 AD because Bulgaria was at its greatest territorial extent. The Ottomans first came in the 1340's so by your logic, the Serbian Empire is the best depiction of natural ethnic borders. Fine by me.
BTW, your plan makes absolutely no sense. You can't honestly expect to arbitrarily take a random date's borders and implement them and expect everyone to be fine with them.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jul 11, 2008 16:39:06 GMT -5
No, I think you want 1000 AD because Bulgaria was at its greatest territorial extent. The Ottomans first came in the 1340's so by your logic, the Serbian Empire is the best depiction of natural ethnic borders. Fine by me. BTW, your plan makes absolutely no sense. You can't honestly expect to arbitrarily take a random date's borders and implement them and expect everyone to be fine with them. I believe I said the border issues would be discussed among the parties with grievances, I didn't say that one country would decide the whole thing. The date was just an example, obviously you can't just pull a date out of your ass like that and decide the whole thing on it. And I said ethnic borders, not state borders. Even by 1340 Macedonia, Northern Dobruja, and parts of Northern Greece had large Bulgarian populations.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 3, 2008 7:57:12 GMT -5
Found this one..
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Post by MiG on Aug 19, 2008 1:29:50 GMT -5
^ Not bad bro.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 21, 2008 2:37:55 GMT -5
Yeh except the bits of vojvodina should stay with Serbia, and no way those southern bits of montenegro should go to Albania. As for Kosovo i wouldnt care if it went to Albania as long as Serbia keeps the Serbian mitrovica area and RS. All that wont happen though so who cares.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 21, 2008 5:34:40 GMT -5
did i just see fyrom in there as " macedonia " ? It would be perfect if the west part of fyrom goes to albania, the east part to bulgaria and a small strip of southern part to greece. Then we can call it a day...
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 21, 2008 10:01:32 GMT -5
Yeh didnt really notice that. Ok deal! We have solved the problems of the balkans
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Post by MiG on Aug 21, 2008 17:10:27 GMT -5
Soooo, when do we tell everyone?
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 21, 2008 21:52:17 GMT -5
Not yet. First we invite all the top dogs of the balkans into one room. Then we'll be all like SURPRISE and show the map. Then they will all most deffinetly disagree with atleast one thing and start killing each other. Once they all die. We step in and take over. I will be king of Serbia, Mig will be king of Croatia, expatriot will be king of Greece, That guy who changes his nick alot and likes weed will be king of Bosnia, etc etc Then we unite all the countries and Aadmin as its leader will re-name it to Illyria. It will be like the Illyria forums...but in real life. Then we will all work together in finding Deacon, Cikola and pretty much most of the Albanians some girlfriends. Once they find girlfriends there will be no more hate in the balkans.
Its so simple, why didnt anyone think of this before?!?!
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Post by ilirdardani on Aug 21, 2008 22:05:06 GMT -5
^ Lol, thats a pretty good plan Skoric. I say we do it.
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Post by MiG on Aug 21, 2008 23:27:15 GMT -5
Not yet. First we invite all the top dogs of the balkans into one room. Then we'll be all like SURPRISE and show the map. Then they will all most deffinetly disagree with atleast one thing and start killing each other. Once they all die. We step in and take over. I will be king of Serbia, Mig will be king of Croatia, expatriot will be king of Greece, That guy who changes his nick alot and likes weed will be king of Bosnia, etc etc Then we unite all the countries and Aadmin as its leader will re-name it to Illyria. It will be like the Illyria forums...but in real life. Then we will all work together in finding Deacon, Cikola and pretty much most of the Albanians some girlfriends. Once they find girlfriends there will be no more hate in the balkans. Its so simple, why didnt anyone think of this before?!?! Damn thats fucking brilliant. It's fullproof. Fuckin' A Skoric, you get a +1 from me. ;D Soooo, when do we get them together?
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Post by stambolov2025 on Aug 22, 2008 3:42:20 GMT -5
The only hope of there ever being peace and hegemony in the Balkans is if the Balkans nations decided collectively and on their own to redraw the borders and exchange populations without the influence of non Balkan nations. But for this to happen one nation needs to take the lead and have the initiative to rally the nations of the Balkans. Balkan brothers we should not be fighting each other, we are all Balkaners and we should work together to create a peaceful and economically stable environment, its in the interest of all nations in the Balkans. WE must work out our differences amongst each other if there is ever to be peace in the region, no foreign nation can fix our problems for us, because no foreign nation can understand the cultural and historical complexity of the region.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 22, 2008 10:23:26 GMT -5
Not yet. First we invite all the top dogs of the balkans into one room. Then we'll be all like SURPRISE and show the map. Then they will all most deffinetly disagree with atleast one thing and start killing each other. Once they all die. We step in and take over. I will be king of Serbia, Mig will be king of Croatia, expatriot will be king of Greece, That guy who changes his nick alot and likes weed will be king of Bosnia, etc etc Then we unite all the countries and Aadmin as its leader will re-name it to Illyria. It will be like the Illyria forums...but in real life. Then we will all work together in finding Deacon, Cikola and pretty much most of the Albanians some girlfriends. Once they find girlfriends there will be no more hate in the balkans. Its so simple, why didnt anyone think of this before?!?! Damn thats f**king brilliant. It's fullproof. f**kin' A Skoric, you get a +1 from me. ;D Soooo, when do we get them together? We? you do it man i cbf. lawl The only hope of there ever being peace and hegemony in the Balkans is if the Balkans nations decided collectively and on their own to redraw the borders and exchange populations without the influence of non Balkan nations. But for this to happen one nation needs to take the lead and have the initiative to rally the nations of the Balkans. Balkan brothers we should not be fighting each other, we are all Balkaners and we should work together to create a peaceful and economically stable environment, its in the interest of all nations in the Balkans. WE must work out our differences amongst each other if there is ever to be peace in the region, no foreign nation can fix our problems for us, because no foreign nation can understand the cultural and historical complexity of the region. I like my plan better.
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Post by MiG on Aug 26, 2008 1:51:36 GMT -5
Naw bro, I ain't doing it alone! I'll kill these guys for pissing me off enough as it is. Besides, it was your idea.
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 26, 2008 10:14:26 GMT -5
Its done! Serbia: RS + bits of western bosnia which used to be Serb inhabited. and Mitrovica area of Kosovo Croatia: Croat inhabited Hercegovina + Bihac area as its cut off from Muslim bosnia. Albania: Kosovo, Western fyrom Bulgaria: Rest of fyrom Montenegro: Stays the same. Bosnia: No more political division Parts not shown on the map.Greece: Southern Albania (epirus), Greek cyprus Turkey: Turkish cyprus. only if it grants an Independent Kurdistan Man this will never happen lolll
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Post by MiG on Aug 26, 2008 18:37:48 GMT -5
^ Man that's secksy.
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Post by kapetan on Aug 28, 2008 3:27:32 GMT -5
Heh, funny. Serbia grows bigger then it's ever been, while Bosnia is split to less then half and erases the borders that have been there for hundreds of years.
Well, you can dream.
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