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Post by radovic on Jun 28, 2008 9:08:49 GMT -5
EU scepticism rising in Croatia 28 June 2008 | 15:04 | Source: Tanjug ZAGREB -- Support for the EU is on the wane in Croatia, as in many European countries, following the recent Irish rejection of the Lisbon Treaty.
Of 1,000 people surveyed, only 30 percent felt that EU membership was a “good thing”, while 39 percent were neutral, according to the latest Eurobarometer opinion poll.
According to the poll, the only countries where approval ratings have risen are Cyprus, Malta and the Czech Republic, while in Greece, France and Italy, support has tailed off considerably.
The especially low support in Croatia compared to, say, Macedonia, where 72 percent of citizens support EU integration, is thought to be down to the feud over the protected ecological fishing belt in the Adriatic, the pressure on the ship-building industry, the additional criteria imposed on Zagreb by Brussels, and reports that talks will be finished with the EU no earlier than autumn 2009.
Another factor is believed to be the impression in certain quarters that Brussels does not have equal criteria for the countries in the region, with the view that Serbia is being given the benefit of the doubt, despite not achieving full Hague cooperation.
President Stjepan Mesiæ also commented on the poll’s findings, stating that Croatian officials had not been sufficiently convincing when promoting Croatian EU entry.
Certain people benefited from Croatia’s isolation during the Nineties, said Mesiæ, adding that new capital had been acquired from shady dealings back then, and all those millionaires had in their hands the means to send completely opposing messages, to the effect that Croatia had to defend and preserve itself.
“We want Europe to be there, and we in Europe, we want to take advantage of European funds and activate our potential,” stressed the president.
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Post by spartacus on Jun 28, 2008 22:32:26 GMT -5
At first the EU said if we sell out Gotovina we are definitely in,, but now we have to hand over some territories and fishing rights to the Italians and Slovenes.
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Post by vinjak on Jun 29, 2008 23:02:59 GMT -5
At first the EU said if we sell out Gotovina we are definitely in
And you did.
but now we have to hand over some territories and fishing rights to the Italians and Slovenes.
And you will.
Welcome to the EU where your money will also be used to prop up Kosovo and other no hope states.
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Post by MiG on Jul 2, 2008 21:46:55 GMT -5
Well the people are finally realizing it. I'm glad they are, because this way we can be independent and charge what we want, when we want, in taxes on the EU.
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Post by tyson on Jul 3, 2008 12:45:49 GMT -5
good news. croatia doesntz need to be in the EU. every year, things are getting better in croatia, econimic/living standardwise. joining the EU wont make a difference to the economy. the economy is on an upward scale anyways
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Post by MiG on Jul 7, 2008 16:10:37 GMT -5
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Jul 7, 2008 20:28:23 GMT -5
Vinyak... Watch Kosovo grow stronger than Serbia economically. Serbs are clever and have big potential to strengthen their country but whilst they sit at the bar drowning their sorrows about the battles they lost in Kosovo 600 years ago I can see Kosovo itself moving on to develop itself.
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Post by MiG on Jul 7, 2008 21:41:17 GMT -5
^ Develop into what? Kosovo is nothing compared to Serbia itself. Belgrade itself makes more money than Kosovo put together.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Jul 8, 2008 6:47:17 GMT -5
^^^^
Yes sure, and Kosovo itself has more natural resources than the whole of former Yugo combined together. There was a saying in Kosovo about Belgrade. "Trepca punohet, Beogradi ndertohet" "Trepqa is worked on, Belgrade is built on"
Who would have thought Croatia and Slovenia themselves during their difficult times would become stronger than Serbia in all rounds?
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Post by radovic on Jul 8, 2008 9:34:53 GMT -5
^^^^ Yes sure, and Kosovo itself has more natural resources than the whole of former Yugo combined together. There was a saying in Kosovo about Belgrade. "Trepca punohet, Beogradi ndertohet" "Trepqa is worked on, Belgrade is built on" Who would have thought Croatia and Slovenia themselves during their difficult times would become stronger than Serbia in all rounds? Absurd. Kosovo's most valuable resources are all in the Serb north. Almost everything south of it is either to small to be economically viable and it is all far smaller then the deposits in the Serb north. Kosovo never had the majority of natural resources of Yugoslavia. Only of two or three resources out of 70 or so resources Yugoslavia had. Furthermore. Your last statement is foolish. It was natural that they would develop faster then Serbia after independence in the 90s given that there were no sanctions on thm, the GDP per cpaita were 100% & 60% larger then Serbia respectively, and that the war in Slovenia was just a few skirmishes over a 10-day period and for the most part Croatia's war ended in late 1991 and was mostly restricted to one of the poorest areas of ex-YU -- i.e. the Krajina. This is just an idiotic post being amde by an Albanian troll with no basis in fact. Especially the claim "Trepqa is worked on, Belgrade is built on", since the profits of Trepca always went to Kosovo & after the centralization of Serbia because of the sanctiosn Trepca wasn't developed.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Jul 8, 2008 10:54:16 GMT -5
Yet again, you are wrong. The natural resources are all in the south (Albanian) side of Mitrovica but all the machinery is left on the northern part. That shows your lack of knowledge and inteligence about Trepca and you are figures are 100% wrong. Look at Belgrade, Look at Pristina idiot! Where do you think most was invested in!?! Kosovo was the poorest reagon of former Yugoslavia with one of the main income for Yugoslavia... So much for Serbian investments in Kosovo.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Jul 8, 2008 10:56:24 GMT -5
..... and love for Kosovo. Serbia is still in its Nokia phase. (Always getting smaller). Date back to 1800's up to 2008 and make a grid for yourselves if you do not believe us Albanians.
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Post by MiG on Jul 8, 2008 12:03:47 GMT -5
^ How about this. Give me the economic statistics of the Former Yugoslavia, and SHOW me where it says that Kosovo is the richest in resources. (BTW keep in mind that if it was rich in resources, it would be rich in GDP).
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Jul 8, 2008 17:08:02 GMT -5
Thanks to Serbian opression Kosovo was the least to be invested on. Serbia owes Kosovo billions of Euros through only pensions and lets not speak about what they have digged in Trepca.. Just Trepca itself has enough coal to fuel the whole of Europe with electricity for 500 years. There is not a big GDP because of other people always ruling us. Once we say goodbye to UNMIK, we will see Kosovo prosper. US has already pledged to make our army one of the strongest in the Balkans. Just think about it.
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Post by MiG on Jul 8, 2008 17:20:18 GMT -5
I ask you one thing, you give me the next. Dude, answer my question with fact and proof to your claims, and I, or someone else, will be happy to tell you otherwise.
BTW, the United States of America has never stated that, nor has a United States Government Official of any sort. For the United States to say that, it would cause the biggest arms race in the World, and the US/West would lose it.
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Post by vinjak on Jul 8, 2008 18:04:21 GMT -5
Thanks to Serbian opression Kosovo was the least to be invested on
Actualy it was the Albanian boycotts that opressed Kosovo not Beograd. All over Jugoslavia taxes where being levied to prop up Kosovo.
Prove your claims of Serbian opression.....truth is you cannot and all you are doing here is repeating the propaganda of the 90's
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Post by radovic on Jul 8, 2008 18:20:28 GMT -5
Yet again, you are wrong. The natural resources are all in the south (Albanian) side of Mitrovica but all the machinery is left on the northern part. The U.S. Geological Service and the websites run by UNMIK say the opposite. Not only that but Kosovo refuses to allow the north to be attached to Serbia in return for Serbian recognition of Kosovo because most of it's resources are in the north. Even BBC has reproted this. Bullshit. Kosovo was not the main income for Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia's industrial capacity was centered in Slovenia, northern Croatia, Vojvodina and Shumadija. Kosovo wasn't. Furthermore. On a per capita basis Kosovo received more investment then the rest of ex-YU.The simple fact is that in Shumadija an investment returned a return 15 trimes larger, and in Slovenia 30 times larger. Not only that but Albanians wasted the money. In Yugoslavia, Kosovo gave welfare 4 times larger then Slovenia, the wealthiest region, did. Not only that but the University of Pristina was and still is a liberal arts college focusing on the humanities something Kosovo did not need for development. Not only that but Kosovo had the best roads in Yugoslavia because it wasted money on things not necessary.
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Post by radovic on Jul 8, 2008 18:28:53 GMT -5
..... and love for Kosovo. Serbia is still in its Nokia phase. (Always getting smaller). Date back to 1800's up to 2008 and make a grid for yourselves if you do not believe us Albanians. Let's see: Prior to 1878- around 30,000 sq km 1911- 48,303 sq km Post-1912- 87,303 sq km (incl. modernday Kosovo and FYROM) Between 1918 and 1941, Serbia doesn't exist. It becomes part of a voluntary Yugoslavia which is a union incorporating Yugoslavia and Habsburg territories. Hence, Yugodlavia can not be counted as being Serbia. 1941- Nedic's Serbia is around 48,000 sq km. 1948- Serbia without FYROM, but with Vojvodina. 88,361 sq km. 1991- Yugoslavia dissovled, we are part of FRY. 88,361 sq km. 2002- SCG replaces FRY. 88,361 sq km. 2006- Montenegrin independence. 88,361 sq km. 2008- Shiqptars declare illegal independence. International law still views Kosovo as part of Serbia. 88,361 sq km. Serbia is at it's largest size. So I suggest you and all the idiots making stupid Nokia comments learn some history.
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Post by radovic on Jul 8, 2008 19:31:31 GMT -5
Thanks to Serbian opression Kosovo was the least to be invested on. Serbia owes Kosovo billions of Euros through only pensions and lets not speak about what they have digged in Trepca.. Just Trepca itself has enough coal to fuel the whole of Europe with electricity for 500 years. Bull shit. - Kosovo received the most investment per person in ex-Yuin the communist period. The simple fact is Albanians pissed away the money on extravegant social welfare and idiotic unnecessary investments. - Also. From 1946-1989, anything mined in Kosovo was done by provincial authorities. The value of everything dug from 1989-1999 totals $250 million. Plus, it's also idiotic to claim that Serbia owes Serbia any of this money given that no Yugoslav state has owed anybody for resources used from other republic because of the fact that Yugoslavia was a common market. - The so-called debt Serbia ows in pension payments amounts to less then $500 million. Hardly the billions you speak off. - That is a very abusrd claim. Trepca has enoguh electricity to supply Serbia for 1200 years, that is a total equal to about 1% of Europes needs. So Trepca in actuallity has jsut enough to supply Europe for 12 years. Hardly the 500 figure you claim. BS. From 1946-89 the Kosovo economy was managed by local authorities, just like in all of ex-YU. Economic decisions are also largely in the hands of local authorities under UNMIK. The simple fact is Kosovo's economy is total and utter crap and Albanians have a national myth that this is because of others and not themselves.The military has nothing to do with economy, under that logic North Korea should be a world superpower. All the U.S. pledge means is that soon your youth will be sent to die for America in Iraq.
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Post by MiG on Jul 8, 2008 23:54:05 GMT -5
^ Way to dump information on him and make his brain overheat. Come on Radovic, why so mean?
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