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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 5, 2008 18:38:56 GMT -5
The Jassic people or Jász (from Iranic: Iyasi<Asi > Os> Ossetian) are an ethnic group of Hungarians which mostly live in the Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok county of the Republic of Hungary. They are of Ossetic origin and originally spoke the Jassic dialect of the Ossetic language. Today, they speak Hungarian and consider themselves to be ethnic Hungarians, but a sense of the "Jassic identity" is also preserved among them. The Jassic people live in the region known as "Jászság" (Jazygia), which comprise the north-western part of the Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok county. Their cultural and political center is the town of Jászberény. The Jász (Jassic) people were a nomadic tribe which settled in the Kingdom of Hungary during the Thirteenth Century. Their name is almost certainly related to that of the Iazyges, one of the Sarmatian Alanic tribes which, along with the Roxolani, reached the borders of Dacia during the late First Century BC. Residual elements of these tribes, ancestors of the Jász, remained behind in the central North Caucasus, mingling with Caucasian peoples to form the present-day Ossetes. The Jász came to Hungary, together with the Cumanians from the East, including Moldavia (see Jaszvasar/Iasi), chased by the Mongol-Tatars. They were admitted by the Hungarian king, Béla IV Árpád, hoping that the Jassics would assist in resisting a Mongol-Tatar invasion. Shortly after their entry, the relationship worsened dramatically between the Hungarian nobility and the Cumanian-Jassic tribes, which then abandoned the country. After the end of the Mongol-Tatar occupation they returned and settled in the central part of the Hungarian Plain. Initially, their main occupation was animal husbandry. During the next two centuries they were fully assimilated into the Hungarian population, their language largely disappeared, but they preserved their "Jassic" identity and their regional autonomy was preserved up until the year 1876. Over a dozen settlements in Central Hungary (eg. Jászberény, Jászárokszállás, Jászfényszaru, Jászalsószentgyörgy) still hold their name. The only literary record of the Jász language was found in the 1950s in the Hungarian National Széchényi Library. The language was reconstructed with the help of various Ossetian analogies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassic_people
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Post by wbb on Jul 7, 2008 4:24:14 GMT -5
heh ya so? Ahmadinijad the president of Iran himself is Hungarian too but Islam religion.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 8, 2008 5:47:10 GMT -5
heh ya so? Ahmadinijad the president of Iran himself is Hungarian too but Islam religion. Actually I read that Hungary and Iran did already have some arrangements about this Jasz thing. Apparently several Iranian officials and Iranian tourists been to Jaszbereny to look at the Iranian Magyar history etc and I think they did make Jaszbereny a sister city with Iranian city called Yazd. There is Iranian restaurants I go to here in Sydney and the Iranian people I meet there are so nice peope so hospitable and warm people.
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Post by wbb on Jul 10, 2008 7:36:16 GMT -5
what kind of arrangement? they gonna support us? hey oski, i recon that magyars have some cultural history with Kurds, is this true? i mean look at the Kurdish flag and look at ours? Kurds are also of iranic orgin same like hungarians or Farsi. Many of the Kurds have a religion called Yezidi or Yasdanism, is this related to Yasd? yes we have lots of persian words in our language, for example Csoban, which means shepherd in older hungarian language, the modern hungarian use the word pasztor, which is english. The word Pasztor is incorrect, the real word is Csoban, ever heard of a village called Csobanka, not too far from Szentendre? well Csobanka comes from a word Csoban, it's means "Csoban place".
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 12, 2008 2:59:05 GMT -5
Thats interesting about Csoban.
I dont know about connection with Kurds I think flag is just coincidence as we have same colours as Italy flag too.
Many different peoples came outof Iran , yes Kurds were one of them . I have read Magyars assimilated Alans very early on. The origins of exactly who were Hungarians is still bit mysterious but I agree I think there was some Iranic connection too and this is evident in the language as you have said.
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Post by wbb on Jul 12, 2008 4:34:54 GMT -5
yes it is, im csoban myself, did u know? that's why i love hungary because hungary is historically a csoban orszag. ;D according to many website about the village csobanka, many sources says that csobanka has been named by a serbs, which is bs, yes serbian language has the same word for shepherd = coban but so does Turkish, Turkish language have so many Iranian words for example the word prayer is namaz which is also of Iranian word. But the older hungarian language word Csoban wasnt coming from Serb or Turkish, rather it's came from Alan or Jasz tribes that settled in Hungary, as u know that Jasz themselves concentrate on animal husbandry in Hungary, they are undoubtly a csoban. You remember we had an argument about Amal dialects? Yes Amal dialect is a very new idealism and modern, but the dialect isnt, only the name itself is new. In my dialect we use the word Csoban instead of Pasztor, let me tell u a short story when i was in hungary last month, i met some hungarians in Ujlipotvaros which is 13th district of Budapest, i told them that "en csoban vagyok" they ask me in confusion "ez mi? i told them in modern hungarian meaning "Pasztor", they was so interested the way i spoke, i told them that the word Pasztor is of English orgin = Pastor, 2 weeks later they all started using the word Csoban, later maybe 1 month, all of Ujlipotvaros started using the word Csoban lol. It's very funny because i was the only 1 in that area who said that word later they all started saying it, like 1 of them was name calling the gypsies in Westend shopping centre, "te rettenekes hulye csoban" lol. Amal's idea and goals is all about keeping Hungarian language pure from advancing language like english, and our belief is extremely to restore the older Hungarian language into modern one as modern hungarian language have so many foreign words that it's so affecting, it's has so many german, english, slavic, etc,etc, the new words that is recently introduce into Hungarian language is the Romany Cigany words like Csavo for boy, csaj for girl, duma for talk, etc,etc. Hungarians in hungary are using so many gypsy words cause of their lack of knowledge, so btw oszki, i like to describe u that Hungarian language is a language of wisdom when we speak the older hungarian.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 12, 2008 18:48:35 GMT -5
yes it is, im csoban myself, did u know? that's why i love hungary because hungary is historically a csoban orszag. ;D according to many website about the village csobanka, many sources says that csobanka has been named by a serbs, which is bs, yes serbian language has the same word for shepherd = coban but so does Turkish, Turkish language have so many Iranian words for example the word prayer is namaz which is also of Iranian word. But the older hungarian language word Csoban wasnt coming from Serb or Turkish, rather it's came from Alan or Jasz tribes that settled in Hungary, as u know that Jasz themselves concentrate on animal husbandry in Hungary, they are undoubtly a csoban. You remember we had an argument about Amal dialects? Yes Amal dialect is a very new idealism and modern, but the dialect isnt, only the name itself is new. In my dialect we use the word Csoban instead of Pasztor, let me tell u a short story when i was in hungary last month, i met some hungarians in Ujlipotvaros which is 13th district of Budapest, i told them that "en csoban vagyok" they ask me in confusion "ez mi? i told them in modern hungarian meaning "Pasztor", they was so interested the way i spoke, i told them that the word Pasztor is of English orgin = Pastor, 2 weeks later they all started using the word Csoban, later maybe 1 month, all of Ujlipotvaros started using the word Csoban lol. It's very funny because i was the only 1 in that area who said that word later they all started saying it, like 1 of them was name calling the gypsies in Westend shopping centre, "te rettenekes hulye csoban" lol. Amal's idea and goals is all about keeping Hungarian language pure from advancing language like english, and our belief is extremely to restore the older Hungarian language into modern one as modern hungarian language have so many foreign words that it's so affecting, it's has so many german, english, slavic, etc,etc, the new words that is recently introduce into Hungarian language is the Romany Cigany words like Csavo for boy, csaj for girl, duma for talk, etc,etc. Hungarians in hungary are using so many gypsy words cause of their lack of knowledge, so btw oszki, i like to describe u that Hungarian language is a language of wisdom when we speak the older hungarian. Yes its good to see you are renovating the Hungarian language back to its pure state I support this. But remember we must to use only very Hungarian words.
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Post by wbb on Jul 13, 2008 2:14:14 GMT -5
u should be part of it to help. yes i agree to that, the word csoban should be use again, since early 20th centruy, hungarians use the turkish word for tea = csej instead of tea, all of hungary's neighbour excluding austria and slovakia all uses the word csej for tea. Serbian, Bosnian, Croatian = caj, Romanian= Ceai, Turkish = caj. In modern Hungarian tea place is Teazo, in my dialect is csejozo. Unfortunately so many old hungarian words have long dissapeared, so our only only chance is to replace it using Turkish,Iranian and Arabic, all 2 of them (except for Turkish) are very strong languages that never changes, Turkish language is however is getting softer than Hungarian but still there's lots of Iranian, Arabic words in their language. The Hungarian word Eper is in German Erdbeer, need to have a Turkish word Cilek, change into Hungarian Csilek. Land in Hungarian "Fold" is also of German orgin "Feld" and in english it's field, Turkish, Iranian and Arabic has the word Ard, most surprisingly German also has the same word like all 3 of those languages= Erd. In new Hungarian "ord" like "ordog". what u think Oszki?
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Post by nader2016 on Oct 13, 2016 4:54:09 GMT -5
Yes, that's true. I have read about it, jassic people are are from Iran yazd. I'm from Iran and my native is Turkish.
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